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Is this map really from 2008?

For the old Conks that haven't learned how to google yet:

http://taxfoundation.org/article/states ... -liability" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Skjellyfetti wrote:For the old Conks that haven't learned how to google yet:

http://taxfoundation.org/article/states ... -liability" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Per the article:

According to the latest IRS figures for 2008,

So current data isn't available. Not trying to be a dick, seriously asking. I would think at least something from 2010 or 2011 would be available.

SDHornet wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:For the old Conks that haven't learned how to google yet:

http://taxfoundation.org/article/states ... -liability" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Per the article:

According to the latest IRS figures for 2008,

So current data isn't available. Not trying to be a dick, seriously asking. I would think at least something from 2010 or 2011 would be available.

um...
Yeah things have changed so much everything will be way different now

Chizzang wrote:

SDHornet wrote: Per the article:


So current data isn't available. Not trying to be a dick, seriously asking. I would think at least something from 2010 or 2011 would be available.

um...
Yeah things have changed so much everything will be way different now

I would just like to see if we are better off now than we were 4 years ago.

For the most part, the variances aren't that great. Unless I'm mistaken, Alaska, one of the most conservative states (and home of former Gov. Sarah Palin) has the lowest non-paying rate at 21%.

CitadelGrad wrote:For the most part, the variances aren't that great.

Yup. Which means Obama certainly didn't rely on non-tax paying citizens to carry him to the White House and can't rely on them when he's re-elected in November.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

CitadelGrad wrote:For the most part, the variances aren't that great.

Yup. Which means Obama certainly didn't rely on non-tax paying citizens to carry him to the White House and can't rely on them when he's re-elected in November.

Romney shits bed..........again.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

CitadelGrad wrote:For the most part, the variances aren't that great.

Yup. Which means Obama certainly didn't rely on non-tax paying citizens to carry him to the White House and can't rely on them when he's re-elected in November.

No, that isn't what it means at all. It means that Romney wasn't far off. California and New York still have an enormous amount of non-payers even though the percentages aren't as high as Alabama and Louisiana.

CitadelGrad wrote:For the most part, the variances aren't that great. Unless I'm mistaken, Alaska, one of the most conservative states (and home of former Gov. Sarah Palin) has the lowest non-paying rate at 21%.

Alaska is the most socialist state in America, paying out oil subsidies to every citizen, every year. Why aren't conservatives demanding that one old, white, Christian, fat fcuk get to pocket all of that money?

Conks

Tod wrote:

CitadelGrad wrote:For the most part, the variances aren't that great. Unless I'm mistaken, Alaska, one of the most conservative states (and home of former Gov. Sarah Palin) has the lowest non-paying rate at 21%.

Alaska is the most socialist state in America, paying out oil subsidies to every citizen, every year. Why aren't conservatives demanding that one old, white, Christian, fat fcuk get to pocket all of that money?

You need to learn the difference between a dividend and a subsidy.

Typical mouth breathing Donk.

They are actually idiots in Southern States that vote Republican...

Baldy wrote:

Tod wrote: Alaska is the most socialist state in America, paying out oil subsidies to every citizen, every year. Why aren't conservatives demanding that one old, white, Christian, fat fcuk get to pocket all of that money?

You need to learn the difference between a dividend and a subsidy.

Typical mouth breathing Donk.

Still awfully socialist, Baldy.

Typical arrogant conk who only sees black or white.

Next.....

I've always said if you like paying taxes, pay more. I pay what I'm legally obligated to pay as dictated by IRS guidelines and not a penny more. The US government hasn't demonstrated any willingness to reign in spending, but want more of our money for more boondoggles. As a good Dem, you should:

* Make charitable contributions, but don't itemize them on your taxes.
* Own a home, but don't take the mortgage interest deduction on either your primary mortgage or HELO.
* If you owe $5K, just round it up to $10K - the IRS certainly won't mind additional income.

IIRC you can find a similar map showing which states take the most in federal spending.

Red states = taker states.

ASUG8 wrote:I've always said if you like paying taxes, pay more. I pay what I'm legally obligated to pay as dictated by IRS guidelines and not a penny more. The US government hasn't demonstrated any willingness to reign in spending, but want more of our money for more boondoggles. As a good Dem, you should:

* Make charitable contributions, but don't itemize them on your taxes.
* Own a home, but don't take the mortgage interest deduction on either your primary mortgage or HELO.
* If you owe $5K, just round it up to $10K - the IRS certainly won't mind additional income.

What do those have to do with the topic?

No one likes to pay more than their fair share. But some of us are smart enough to understand that there are many, many that don't - and I am not talking about the 47% - but corporations, rich, etc.


Republicans always throw out "class warfare" bullshit when the topic is eliminating the loopholes that allow weatlhy Americans to leach off the Government and not pay in. But what Rmoney is doing IS class warfare.

dbackjon wrote:No one likes to pay more than their fair share. But some of us are smart enough to understand that there are many, many that don't - and I am not talking about the 47% - but corporations, rich, etc.


Republicans always throw out "class warfare" bullshit when the topic is eliminating the loopholes that allow weatlhy Americans to leach off the Government and not pay in. But what Rmoney is doing IS class warfare.

dbackjon wrote:They are actually idiots in Southern States that vote Republican...

Kettle?

Cap'n Cat wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:
Yup. Which means Obama certainly didn't rely on non-tax paying citizens to carry him to the White House and can't rely on them when he's re-elected in November.

Romney shits bed..........again.

Yup. The guy is a horrible candidate with an even worse campaign staff.

dbackjon wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:I've always said if you like paying taxes, pay more. I pay what I'm legally obligated to pay as dictated by IRS guidelines and not a penny more. The US government hasn't demonstrated any willingness to reign in spending, but want more of our money for more boondoggles. As a good Dem, you should:

* Make charitable contributions, but don't itemize them on your taxes.
* Own a home, but don't take the mortgage interest deduction on either your primary mortgage or HELO.
* If you owe $5K, just round it up to $10K - the IRS certainly won't mind additional income.

What do those have to do with the topic?

No one likes to pay more than their fair share. But some of us are smart enough to understand that there are many, many that don't - and I am not talking about the 47% - but corporations, rich, etc.


Republicans always throw out "class warfare" bullshit when the topic is eliminating the loopholes that allow weatlhy Americans to leach off the Government and not pay in. But what Rmoney is doing IS class warfare.

OK. So I guess maybe according to your calculations, I may qualify as rich, although I'm far from a Romney or Obama. So most of my income is in the form of W2 earnings or corporate distributions which are taxed at a similar rate. I am in the hightest tax bracket and between federal and state taxes pay 40% on that income. I that not enough? How much of my income oh Great Swammy is my fair share? Seriously, how much of my money should I have to pay to the govt?

death dealer wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

What do those have to do with the topic?

No one likes to pay more than their fair share. But some of us are smart enough to understand that there are many, many that don't - and I am not talking about the 47% - but corporations, rich, etc.


Republicans always throw out "class warfare" bullshit when the topic is eliminating the loopholes that allow weatlhy Americans to leach off the Government and not pay in. But what Rmoney is doing IS class warfare.

OK. So I guess maybe according to your calculations, I may qualify as rich, although I'm far from a Romney or Obama. So most of my income is in the form of W2 earnings or corporate distributions which are taxed at a similar rate. I am in the hightest tax bracket and between federal and state taxes pay 40% on that income. I that not enough? How much of my income oh Great Swammy is my fair share? Seriously, how much of my money should I have to pay to the govt?

Why should Romney or Obama pay less than you?

Phuck, can't a fella say exactly how he feels when surrounded by his peers??

kalm wrote:

death dealer wrote: OK. So I guess maybe according to your calculations, I may qualify as rich, although I'm far from a Romney or Obama. So most of my income is in the form of W2 earnings or corporate distributions which are taxed at a similar rate. I am in the hightest tax bracket and between federal and state taxes pay 40% on that income. I that not enough? How much of my income oh Great Swammy is my fair share? Seriously, how much of my money should I have to pay to the govt?

Why should Romney or Obama pay less than you?

But that's just it Kalm. It's not those guys that are going to feel that pain of the "rich" paying their fair share. Do you think they will miss a few hundred thousand or even a couple of million more come tax time? Probably in the end, not much. But while I may or may not have assets in excess of a million dollars, and my personal income may place me in the 1%, albeit in the lower segment, I feel that giving almost half of what I earn to the govt. is plenty. I shouldn't have to contribute any more while so many people aren't contributing shit. And as for CG's taxes, I'm not so sure we couldn't stand a slight increase in that rate, but I do agree that earnings from investment and risk should be taxed at a lower rate than regular salary.