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Whose quote is this?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:56 am
by GrizFanStuckInUtah
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, "the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:17 am
by Chizzang
OBamney..?
Don't all guys running for office say basically that same thing...
Then historically (as in every single time throughout history) do exactly nothing once elected
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:16 pm
by blueballs
GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, "the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
Sounds amazingly like something the empty chair said back during his senate "tenure..."
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:43 pm
by GrizFanStuckInUtah
blueballs wrote:GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, "the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
Sounds amazingly like something the empty chair said back during his senate "tenure..."
FTW!
Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:07 pm
by Chizzang
I guess correctly first and of course get no credit
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:11 pm
by GrizFanStuckInUtah
Chizzang wrote:I guess correctly first and of course get no credit
Chizzang wrote:OBamney..?
Don't all guys running for office say basically that same thing...
Then historically (as in every single time throughout history) do exactly nothing once elected
I know want you meant, but technically it was wrong.
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:15 pm
by Chizzang
Chizzang wrote:I guess correctly first and of course get no credit
So Obama didn't say this..?
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:55 pm
by BlueHen86
And if Romney wins, he'll do the same thing.
Politicians say what they have to say to get elected.
Politicians lie.
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:12 pm
by Skjellyfetti
GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:
Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006
Wait. We had debt in 2006? Bullshit. That didn't start until Barry was elected.
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:22 pm
by kalm
Skjellyfetti wrote:GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:
Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006
Wait. We had debt in 2006? Bullshit. That didn't start until Barry was elected.
Deficits didn't matter back then.
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:34 pm
by BlueHen86
kalm wrote:Skjellyfetti wrote:
Wait. We had debt in 2006? Bullshit. That didn't start until Barry was elected.
Deficits didn't matter back then.
The Conks will tell you that it got worse under Obama. We can then have a spin filled argument regarding how true that statement is.
Things won't change under Romney. He may cut some entitlement programs, but he also says he's going to cut taxes and he's not going to cut defense spending.
Like it or not, if we're serious about the budget we need to cut everything, especially the things that currently get the most money.
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:38 pm
by Chizzang
BlueHen86 wrote:kalm wrote:
Deficits didn't matter back then.
The Conks will tell you that it got worse under Obama. We can then have a spin filled argument regarding how true that statement is.
Things won't change under Romney. He may cut some entitlement programs, but he also says he's going to cut taxes and he's not going to cut defense spending.
Like it or not, if we're serious about the budget we need to cut everything, especially the things that currently get the most money.
Nobody actually believes that Romney is going to reduce the deficit...
They just don't like Obama and the healthcare thing terrifies them
But reducing the deficit isn't gonna happen under Romney
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:10 pm
by death dealer
Chizzang wrote:
Nobody actually believes that Romney is going to reduce the deficit...
They just don't like Obama and the healthcare thing terrifies them
But reducing the deficit isn't gonna happen under Romney
He's black. They can't help it.
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:51 am
by 89Hen
BlueHen86 wrote:The Conks will tell you that it got worse under Obama. We can then have a spin filled argument regarding how true that statement is.
Only if the definition of "is" is different.
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:27 am
by UNI88
BlueHen86 wrote:kalm wrote:
Deficits didn't matter back then.
The Conks will tell you that it got worse under Obama. We can then have a spin filled argument regarding how true that statement is.
Things won't change under Romney. He may cut some entitlement programs, but he also says he's going to cut taxes and he's not going to cut defense spending.
Like it or not, if we're serious about the budget we need to cut everything, especially the things that currently get the most money.
Simpson-Bowles is a decent start and would be better than what either party would pass in a vacuum.
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:28 am
by Chizzang
death dealer wrote:Chizzang wrote:
Nobody actually believes that Romney is going to reduce the deficit...
They just don't like Obama and the healthcare thing terrifies them
But reducing the deficit isn't gonna happen under Romney
He's black. They can't help it.
Look I'm not quite as fond of him today as I was 4 years ago - that is for sure...
and like most folks I'm not as frightened of Romney as the Left Wing Machine would like me to be
He's a pawn - he'll do what he told to do
1) by his military advisers
2) by The Wall Street execs
3) by the insurance lobby on Healthcare - even though he fought them in Massachusetts and won - he'll relent now
4) Etc. Etc.
He's 85% Obama
and 100% tool of the system in place - just like the guy in office who swore up and down he wasn't
Romney is really the least of our problems - he's simply a reflection of THE problem - he isn't the problem
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:53 am
by CID1990
I just don't think people are concerned enough about what is going to happen to this country financially if we don't get our checkbook in order.
We are all like Nero, fiddling.
I don't know if Romney can do anything about it. I don't know if Ron Paul would be ABLE to do anything about it.
What I do know is that Obama, and a large cabal of his supporters will not address it in a meaningful way. One thing is for sure, enacting the biggest entitlement program in history in the teeth of a recession is not fiscally responsible. I'd like to think Obama will pull a Clinton in a second term, but I am not optimistic.
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:17 am
by GrizFanStuckInUtah
CID1990 wrote:I just don't think people are concerned enough about what is going to happen to this country financially if we don't get our checkbook in order.
We are all like Nero, fiddling.
I don't know if Romney can do anything about it. I don't know if Ron Paul would be ABLE to do anything about it.
What I do know is that Obama, and a large cabal of his supporters will not address it in a meaningful way. One thing is for sure, enacting the biggest entitlement program in history in the teeth of a recession is not fiscally responsible. I'd like to think Obama will pull a Clinton in a second term, but I am not optimistic.
I used to think Clinton was a terrible president.....I guess I just hadn't had a worse comparison in my life to prove me wrong.
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:53 am
by Chizzang
GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:CID1990 wrote:I just don't think people are concerned enough about what is going to happen to this country financially if we don't get our checkbook in order.
We are all like Nero, fiddling.
I don't know if Romney can do anything about it. I don't know if Ron Paul would be ABLE to do anything about it.
What I do know is that Obama, and a large cabal of his supporters will not address it in a meaningful way. One thing is for sure, enacting the biggest entitlement program in history in the teeth of a recession is not fiscally responsible. I'd like to think Obama will pull a Clinton in a second term, but I am not optimistic.
I used to think Clinton was a terrible president.....I guess I just hadn't had a worse comparison in my life to prove me wrong.
How so?:
In that he used the Republican Congress to balance the deficit
Something neither Bush could accomplish with a Republican Congress
Please explain that..?
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:56 am
by GrizFanStuckInUtah
Chizzang wrote:GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:
I used to think Clinton was a terrible president.....I guess I just hadn't had a worse comparison in my life to prove me wrong.
How so?:
In that he used the Republican Congress to balance the deficit
Something neither Bush could accomplish with a Republican Congress
Please explain that..?
My opinion of Clinton wasn't very good while he was president, I was just using him as an example since he was the last Democrat before Obama. Obama has found a way to lower my expextations is what I was getting at.
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:14 am
by UNI88
CID1990 wrote:I just don't think people are concerned enough about what is going to happen to this country financially if we don't get our checkbook in order.
We are all like Nero, fiddling.
True & truly frightening.
CID1990 wrote:What I do know is that Obama, and a large cabal of his supporters will not address it in a meaningful way. One thing is for sure, enacting the biggest entitlement program in history in the teeth of a recession is not fiscally responsible. I'd like to think Obama will pull a Clinton in a second term, but I am not optimistic.
Add that to Dubya cutting taxes while we were engaged in a war and you have 2 extremely fiscally irresponsible presidents in a row.
GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:I used to think Clinton was a terrible president.....I guess I just hadn't had a worse comparison in my life to prove me wrong.
So Dubya helped you see the light that Clinton wasn't that terrible of a president?
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:34 pm
by blueballs
We interrupt this thread to clarify a few things...
Cutting marginal tax rates (especially capital gains taxes) on upper income earners has time and again coincided with increased overall tax revenue. The evidence seems to indicate that the upper income earners will invest the money which increases capital for business and spurs business activity, thereby expanding the tax base (jobs) and subsequently tax receipts.
You may now return to your straw man arguments about taxation...
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:44 pm
by Grizalltheway
Capital gains are already only taxed at 15%, should we just drop it to zero?
And corporate war chests are fatter than they've ever been, why isn't that money being invested in jobs?
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:51 pm
by blueballs
Grizalltheway wrote:Capital gains are already only taxed at 15%, should we just drop it to zero?
And corporate war chests are fatter than they've ever been, why isn't that money being invested in jobs?
Because our corporate tax rates are the highest in the world and the current administration's love for all things regulation has created wide spread fear and apprehension in the business community. When the business commmunity has fear and apprehension it sits on it's cash.
Re: Whose quote is this?
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:06 pm
by death dealer
Chizzang wrote:death dealer wrote:
He's black. They can't help it.
Look I'm not quite as fond of him today as I was 4 years ago - that is for sure...
and like most folks I'm not as frightened of Romney as the Left Wing Machine would like me to be
He's a pawn - he'll do what he told to do
1) by his military advisers
2) by The Wall Street execs
3) by the insurance lobby on Healthcare - even though he fought them in Massachusetts and won - he'll relent now
4) Etc. Etc.
He's 85% Obama
and 100% tool of the system in place - just like the guy in office who swore up and down he wasn't
Romney is really the least of our problems - he's simply a reflection of THE problem - he isn't the problem
Yep.
It's so fun to see these guys fighting tooth and nail about how their guy is so awesome and the other guy is such an ass-hat, when in reality, the only real difference is skin tone.