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The Democrats' GM Fiction

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:45 am
by Baldy
Interesting Editorial.

The Democrats’ GM Fiction
The Democrats have decided to run in 2012 as the bailout party. It is an odd choice — the 2008–09 bailouts were deeply unpopular among the general public, and even their backers were notably conflicted about the precedent being set and the ensuing moral hazard. But Democrats have nonetheless made one of the most abusive episodes in the entire bailout era their economic cornerstone: the government takeover of General Motors.

The GM bailout was always an odd duck: The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) was created in order to preserve liquidity in the financial markets by heading off the collapse of key financial institutions that had made catastrophically bad bets on real-estate securities — nothing at all to do with cars, really. GM’s financial arm, today known as Ally Financial, was in trouble, but GM’s fundamental problem was that its products were not profitable enough to support its work-force expenses. A single dominant factor — the United Auto Workers union’s extortionate contracts with GM — prevented the carmaker from either reducing its work-force costs or making its products more efficiently. And its hidebound management didn’t help.

Admirers of the GM bailout should bear in mind that it was the Bush administration that first decided to intervene at the firm, offering a bridge loan on the condition that it draw up a deeply revised business plan. President Obama’s unique contribution was effectively to nationalize the company, seeing to it that the federal government violated normal bankruptcy processes and legal precedent to protect the defective element at the heart of GM’s troubles: the financial interests of the UAW. It did this by strong-arming GM’s bondholders into taking haircuts in order to sweeten the pot for the UAW. The Obama administration also creatively construed tax law to relieve GM of tens of billions of dollars in obligations — at the same time that Barack Obama & Co. were caterwauling about the supposed lack of patriotism of firms that used legal means rather than political favoritism to reduce their tax bills. *
* Obama's attempt giving everyone a "fair" and "equal" shot. :roll:

Re: The Democrats' GM Fiction

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:50 am
by mrklean
SOOOOOOO, you want me to give the POTUS back to the people who jacked it up in the first place?? Yeah....right!!!!!

"Obama did not clean up our mess fast enough, so give it back to us" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Re: The Democrats' GM Fiction

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:52 am
by D1B
Baldy wrote:Interesting Editorial.

The Democrats’ GM Fiction
The Democrats have decided to run in 2012 as the bailout party. It is an odd choice — the 2008–09 bailouts were deeply unpopular among the general public, and even their backers were notably conflicted about the precedent being set and the ensuing moral hazard. But Democrats have nonetheless made one of the most abusive episodes in the entire bailout era their economic cornerstone: the government takeover of General Motors.

The GM bailout was always an odd duck: The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) was created in order to preserve liquidity in the financial markets by heading off the collapse of key financial institutions that had made catastrophically bad bets on real-estate securities — nothing at all to do with cars, really. GM’s financial arm, today known as Ally Financial, was in trouble, but GM’s fundamental problem was that its products were not profitable enough to support its work-force expenses. A single dominant factor — the United Auto Workers union’s extortionate contracts with GM — prevented the carmaker from either reducing its work-force costs or making its products more efficiently. And its hidebound management didn’t help.

Admirers of the GM bailout should bear in mind that it was the Bush administration that first decided to intervene at the firm, offering a bridge loan on the condition that it draw up a deeply revised business plan. President Obama’s unique contribution was effectively to nationalize the company, seeing to it that the federal government violated normal bankruptcy processes and legal precedent to protect the defective element at the heart of GM’s troubles: the financial interests of the UAW. It did this by strong-arming GM’s bondholders into taking haircuts in order to sweeten the pot for the UAW. The Obama administration also creatively construed tax law to relieve GM of tens of billions of dollars in obligations — at the same time that Barack Obama & Co. were caterwauling about the supposed lack of patriotism of firms that used legal means rather than political favoritism to reduce their tax bills. *
* Obama's attempt giving everyone a "fair" and "equal" shot. :roll:
The National Review. :lol:

Re: The Democrats' GM Fiction

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:04 am
by Baldy
D1B wrote: The National Review. :lol:
I know it's not Rolling Stone, but as kalm would say, "dispute the facts". :lol:

Re: The Democrats' GM Fiction

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:09 am
by D1B
Baldy wrote:
D1B wrote: The National Review. :lol:
I know it's not Rolling Stone, but as kalm would say, "dispute the facts". :lol:
What facts? :lol:

Re: The Democrats' GM Fiction

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:10 am
by Baldy
mrklean wrote:SOOOOOOO, you want me to give the POTUS back to the people who jacked it up in the first place?? Yeah....right!!!!!

"Obama did not clean up our mess fast enough, so give it back to us" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Gimme some examples how they "jacked it up", kleany.

Can't wait for this answer.
:lol:

Re: The Democrats' GM Fiction

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:20 am
by Baldy
D1B wrote:
Baldy wrote: I know it's not Rolling Stone, but as kalm would say, "dispute the facts". :lol:
What facts? :lol:
Oh I don't know, I guess that is for you to decide. What parts of the editorial are lying? :suspicious:

Re: The Democrats' GM Fiction

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:35 pm
by D1B
Baldy wrote:
D1B wrote:
What facts? :lol:
Oh I don't know, I guess that is for you to decide. What parts of the editorial are lying? :suspicious:

I just don't see any facts there. It's opinion. Conk-crafted, racism-fueled dribble vomited from a Third Reich conk jack towel. Obama could suddenly become Jesus Christ and the shit-smearers at TNR would become satan worshippers just be against him.

Re: The Democrats' GM Fiction

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:56 pm
by 89Hen
D1B wrote:I just don't see any facts there.
"it is not clear that the GM bailout saved any (jobs)"

"The federal government put up more for a 60 percent interest in the firm than GM is worth today."

"GM shares have lost half their value since January 2011"

Re: The Democrats' GM Fiction

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:23 pm
by Rob Iola
Why did GM need a bailout but Ford didn't? Is it because Ford's electric car is profitable, or is it because Ford's contract with UAW is on more mutually beneficial terms, or both?

Re: The Democrats' GM Fiction

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:52 pm
by CID1990
Rob Iola wrote:Why did GM need a bailout but Ford didn't? Is it because Ford's electric car is profitable, or is it because Ford's contract with UAW is on more mutually beneficial terms, or both?
It is because GM vehicles have always been, are, and always will be crap.

Chrysler is making better cars and trucks for chrissakes.