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It's time to release the Tax returns so we can see who is the liar, the donks or Romney.

.....sorry, who's lying about this,as they are both liars to begin with.

As Harry Reid Sees It

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) used his address tonight to continue his assault on Mitt Romney for not releasing more tax returns.

Reid, who has claimed without any evidence that Romney didn’t pay taxes for 10 years, called Romney a “tea party ideologue” and said he needs to reveal more than two years of tax returns.

“Never in modern history has a president candidate tried to hard to hide himself from the people he’s supposed to serve,” Reid said.

“We can only imagine what new secrets would be revealed if he showed Americans a dozen years of tax returns, like his father did,” Reid added, referring to former Michigan governor George Romney. “Mitt Romney says we should take his word that he paid his fair share. His word? His word? Trust is built on transparency, and Mitt Romney comes up short on both.”

But Reid did not repeat his charge that Romney paid no taxes.

Things like this are all the Dems have.

This, and that Romney is carcinogenic.

CID1990 wrote:Things like this are all the Dems have.

This, and that Romney is carcinogenic.

Being as both men are pretty much identical in Political history and performance
What else should one consider..?

Chizzang wrote:

CID1990 wrote:Things like this are all the Dems have.

This, and that Romney is carcinogenic.

Being as both men are pretty much identical in Political history and performance
What else should one consider..?

Gary Johnson. Or, a different path altogether. Forget the two parties.

ASUMountaineer wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Being as both men are pretty much identical in Political history and performance
What else should one consider..?

Gary Johnson. Or, a different path altogether. Forget the two parties.

Indeed,
we agree

Chizzang wrote:

ASUMountaineer wrote:
Gary Johnson. Or, a different path altogether. Forget the two parties.

Indeed,
we agree

Gawd, this board is a regular Bohemia-****-Grove for Gary Johnson.

Ivytalk wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Indeed,
we agree

Gawd, this board is a regular Bohemia-****-Grove for Gary Johnson.

If insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result, then America is certainly insane. We keep going with this "we need change" idea and yet we thing switching between two parties that are essentially the same and candidates that are the same. If we truly want change, let's vote for change.

Personally, I don't give a flying fuck in space what Romney did or didn't pay in taxes- as long as he acted lawfully.

I find it absolutely mystifying that people are more worried about what Romney did with HIS money than what Obama is doing with OUR money.

blueballs wrote:Personally, I don't give a flying fuck in space what Romney did or didn't pay in taxes- as long as he acted lawfully.

I find it absolutely mystifying that people are more worried about what Romney did with HIS money than what Obama is doing with OUR money.

I don't care what he paid in taxes either.....but I do care that he won't disclose them.

He made a shit ton of money and he shouldn't be ashamed of it. By refusing to release his tax returns, he looks shady.

I know I grew up white and Protestant in the rural South, which discredits any opinions I have in the eyes of many here, but it seems as if this argument is backward.

If Mitt Romney was effective and successful, played by the rules (I can't believe the IRS hasn't reviewed his returns) and didn't pay any taxes, he is at fault? Shouldn't the folks that wrote and/or administered the rules be at fault?

If I do my math right, wouldn't the beginning of this predate the Bush tax cuts?

danefan wrote:

blueballs wrote:Personally, I don't give a flying **** in space what Romney did or didn't pay in taxes- as long as he acted lawfully.

I find it absolutely mystifying that people are more worried about what Romney did with HIS money than what Obama is doing with OUR money.

I don't care what he paid in taxes either.....but I do care that he won't disclose them.

He made a **** ton of money and he shouldn't be ashamed of it. By refusing to release his tax returns, he looks shady.

He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Let's be honest, in this political climate being rich is a huge negative. Even on a message board like this, with supposedly well educated people, we have many who don't have an ounce of financial knowledge. Even if Romney did everything lawfully, which I'd be pretty sure he did, and made his money honestly (to some as long as it's lawful it's honestly made, and for others making money as a private equity manager is never going to be honest) he'll be crucified for any and all legal loopholes that he took. Investment income for the past, well forever, has been treated differently than normal income that most people have and right now the masses don't like that. Whether they understand any of it is another matter, but they will turn against him in large numbers. He might look shady by not releasing them, but he could release perfectly lawful returns and end up worse than shady.

For me, as a voter, I want him to release them and then I'll judge him on what I see. But I won't automatically vote against him because he paid a lower rate than I did - a large chunk of the electorate won't react the same way.

danefan wrote:

blueballs wrote:Personally, I don't give a flying fuck in space what Romney did or didn't pay in taxes- as long as he acted lawfully.

I find it absolutely mystifying that people are more worried about what Romney did with HIS money than what Obama is doing with OUR money.

I don't care what he paid in taxes either.....but I do care that he won't disclose them.

He made a shit ton of money and he shouldn't be ashamed of it. By refusing to release his tax returns, he looks shady.

It is a damned if you do, damned if you don't. I would tell everyone to fuck off about it if it were me and I wasn't required to release them. I would assume the IRS has reviewed them with a fine tooth comb looking for something. I don't trust those assholes as far as I can throw the town of Ogden just north of me, but I think it is safe to assume there isn't anything there. The same people bitching about the tax returns didn't like it when people bitched about the birth certificate. The very same people that are calling for the returns are the ones that cry over and over about how the government needs to stay out of our personal lives. Isn't this something personal? IMHO it is and I am sure he would have been audited if he didn't follow the rules.

Classic Obama tactic. He won his Senate primary race by using info from his opponent's divorce and the general election to the Senate the same way with accusations by the angry wife in the divorce, even tho' at least one and I think both of those court files were sealed and his minions at the Chicago Tribune got the information for him.

danefan wrote:

blueballs wrote:Personally, I don't give a flying fuck in space what Romney did or didn't pay in taxes- as long as he acted lawfully.

I find it absolutely mystifying that people are more worried about what Romney did with HIS money than what Obama is doing with OUR money.

I don't care what he paid in taxes either.....but I do care that he won't disclose them.

He made a shit ton of money and he shouldn't be ashamed of it. By refusing to release his tax returns, he looks shady.

Seriously? You don't think they've been gone over with a fine toothed comb?

That may well be so, and then maybe not...

Either way, by hiding, he is guilty.

One thing is for sure, almost 100% of what Ann Romney refers to as charity donations in fact went to the Mormon Church, you know, that American born christianity that states that Jesus came to New York State, and the Garden of Eden is somewhere in Missouri...

Oh and do not forget to credit the Mormons for all their acts of charity, like spending millions on an anti gay rights initiative in California...

Looks to me like Mitt loves his Church but hates his country.

AZGrizFan wrote:

danefan wrote:
I don't care what he paid in taxes either.....but I do care that he won't disclose them.

He made a shit ton of money and he shouldn't be ashamed of it. By refusing to release his tax returns, he looks shady.

Seriously? You don't think they've been gone over with a fine toothed comb?

I have no clue. But even if they did....great. Even more reason to not give a shit about people looking at them.

Wedgebuster wrote:Either way, by hiding, he is guilty.

Isn't this the same kind of bs argument that the birthers gave us for Obama?
- You need to release __________!
- I did.
- It's not enough, give us more! And if you don't you're hiding something and you're guilty.

LeadBolt wrote:Classic Obama tactic. He won his Senate primary race by using info from his opponent's divorce and the general election to the Senate the same way with accusations by the angry wife in the divorce, even tho' at least one and I think both of those court files were sealed and his minions at the Chicago Tribune got the information for him.

Short of a complete meltdown, Obama was going to win that Senate race. All that Ryan's sexcapades did was make it a sure thing. And Obama didn't have to make a big deal out of it, the right-leaning Chicago Tribune and left-leaning Chicago Sun-Times took care of that for him.

Wedgebuster wrote:
Either way, by hiding, he is guilty.

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UNI88 wrote:

Wedgebuster wrote:Either way, by hiding, he is guilty.

Isn't this the same kind of bs argument that the birthers gave us for Obama?
- You need to release __________!
- I did.
- It's not enough, give us more! And if you don't you're hiding something and you're guilty.

I do think its a little different.

I care about Romney's tax returns because tax reform is a huge issue in this campaign. I want to know whether what he says and what he does jives and if it doesn't, why.

But I do see your point and I did always think Obama should have just released his full certificate immediately. I never bought into the argument of not releasing it because it would "bring out the crazies."

Moot anyway, looks like the electorate is in lock down mode, no movement, no significant undecideds, looks like Mitt has nothing to gain or lose by disclosing or not disclosing the amount of taxes he did or did not pay, and the millions he did give to the Mormon Church.

I would imagine his advisers have already covered this ground with him.

Looks like it's on to 2016 from right here on.

Wedgebuster wrote:Moot anyway, looks like the electorate is in lock down mode, no movement, no significant undecideds, looks like Mitt has nothing to gain or lose by disclosing or not disclosing the amount of taxes he did or did not pay, and the millions he did give to the Mormon Church.

I would imagine his advisers have already covered this ground with him.

Looks like it's on to 2016 from right here on.

JEB JEB JEB!

danefan wrote:

UNI88 wrote: Isn't this the same kind of bs argument that the birthers gave us for Obama?
- You need to release __________!
- I did.
- It's not enough, give us more! And if you don't you're hiding something and you're guilty.

I do think its a little different.

I care about Romney's tax returns because tax reform is a huge issue in this campaign. I want to know whether what he says and what he does jives and if it doesn't, why.

But I do see your point and I did always think Obama should have just released his full certificate immediately. I never bought into the argument of not releasing it because it would "bring out the crazies."

Two things to consider:
- What's worse from a zealot's position: cheating on your taxes on not really being a citizen of the US?
- You could look at Romney's returns and not hold his wealth against him, I'm not sure others could do that.

I think he should release them as well but I find it humorous that the Returners are getting their panties in a bunch similar to how the Birthers did. The true believers in each party are mirror images of each other in so many ways that it's both funny and disconcerting.

UNI88 wrote:

danefan wrote:
I do think its a little different.

I care about Romney's tax returns because tax reform is a huge issue in this campaign. I want to know whether what he says and what he does jives and if it doesn't, why.

But I do see your point and I did always think Obama should have just released his full certificate immediately. I never bought into the argument of not releasing it because it would "bring out the crazies."

Two things to consider:
- What's worse from a zealot's position: cheating on your taxes on not really being a citizen of the US?
- You could look at Romney's returns and not hold his wealth against him, I'm not sure others could do that.

I think he should release them as well but I find it humorous that the Returners are getting their panties in a bunch similar to how the Birthers did. The true believers in each party are mirror images of each other in so many ways that it's both funny and disconcerting.

All valid points.

LeadBolt wrote:Classic Obama tactic. He won his Senate primary race by using info from his opponent's divorce and the general election to the Senate the same way with accusations by the angry wife in the divorce, even tho' at least one and I think both of those court files were sealed and his minions at the Chicago Tribune got the information for him.

They may have been sealed but that didn't stop one of the wives from objecting publicly to hubby wanting to pimp her at the swingers club.