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On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.
The good news is that the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flowed from Ryan’s mouth. Said fact checkers have already condemned certain arguments that Ryan still irresponsibly repeated.

Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.

Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.

Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn't what the president said. Period.

Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.

Elections should be about competing based on your record in the past and your vision for the future, not competing to see who can get away with the most lies and distortions without voters noticing or bother to care. Both parties should hold themselves to that standard. Republicans should be ashamed that there was even one misrepresentation in Ryan’s speech but sadly, there were many.

Cap'n Cat wrote:Liar, liar, pants on fire!






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WASHINGTON (AP) — GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan took some factual shortcuts during the Republican convention when he attacked President Barack Obama's policies on Medicare, the economic stimulus and the budget deficit. His running mate, Mitt Romney, was expected to speak later Thursday in the convention's culmination.
A closer look at some of Ryan's remarks Wednesday at the GOP convention in Tampa, Fla.:
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RYAN: "And the biggest, coldest power play of all in Obamacare came at the expense of the elderly. ... So they just took it all away from Medicare. Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama."
THE FACTS: Ryan's claim ignores the fact that Ryan himself incorporated the same cuts into budgets he steered through the House in the past two years as chairman of its Budget Committee, using the money for deficit reduction. And the cuts do not affect Medicare recipients directly, but rather reduce payments to hospitals, health insurance plans and other service providers.
In addition, Ryan's own plan to remake Medicare would squeeze the program's spending even more than the changes Obama made, shifting future retirees into a system in which they would get a fixed payment to shop for coverage among private insurance plans. Critics charge that would expose the elderly to more out-of-pocket costs.
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RYAN: "The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst. You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal."
THE FACTS: Ryan himself asked for stimulus funds shortly after Congress approved the $800 billion plan, known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Ryan's pleas to federal agencies included letters to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis seeking stimulus grant money for two Wisconsin energy conservation companies.

One of them, the nonprofit Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corp., received $20.3 million from the Energy Department to help homes and businesses improve energy efficiency, according to federal records. That company, he said in his letter, would build "sustainable demand for green jobs." Another eventual recipient, the Energy Center of Wisconsin, received about $365,000.
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RYAN: Said Obama misled people in Ryan's hometown of Janesville, Wis., by making them think a General Motors plant there threatened with closure could be saved. "A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year."
THE FACTS: The plant halted production in December 2008, weeks before Obama took office and well before he enacted a more robust auto industry bailout that rescued GM and Chrysler and allowed the majority of their plants — though not the Janesville facility — to stay in operation. Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler.
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RYAN: Obama "created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way and then did exactly nothing."
THE FACTS: It's true that Obama hasn't heeded his commission's recommendations, but Ryan's not the best one to complain. He was a member of the commission and voted against its final report.



Too bad that cocksucker wasn't on a polygraph!

Shame, Conks.

CID1990 wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:Liar, liar, pants on fire!






http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-ryan-t ... 05927.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

WASHINGTON (AP) — GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan took some factual shortcuts during the Republican convention when he attacked President Barack Obama's policies on Medicare, the economic stimulus and the budget deficit. His running mate, Mitt Romney, was expected to speak later Thursday in the convention's culmination.
A closer look at some of Ryan's remarks Wednesday at the GOP convention in Tampa, Fla.:
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RYAN: "And the biggest, coldest power play of all in Obamacare came at the expense of the elderly. ... So they just took it all away from Medicare. Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama."
THE FACTS: Ryan's claim ignores the fact that Ryan himself incorporated the same cuts into budgets he steered through the House in the past two years as chairman of its Budget Committee, using the money for deficit reduction. And the cuts do not affect Medicare recipients directly, but rather reduce payments to hospitals, health insurance plans and other service providers.
In addition, Ryan's own plan to remake Medicare would squeeze the program's spending even more than the changes Obama made, shifting future retirees into a system in which they would get a fixed payment to shop for coverage among private insurance plans. Critics charge that would expose the elderly to more out-of-pocket costs.
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RYAN: "The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst. You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal."
THE FACTS: Ryan himself asked for stimulus funds shortly after Congress approved the $800 billion plan, known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Ryan's pleas to federal agencies included letters to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis seeking stimulus grant money for two Wisconsin energy conservation companies.

One of them, the nonprofit Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corp., received $20.3 million from the Energy Department to help homes and businesses improve energy efficiency, according to federal records. That company, he said in his letter, would build "sustainable demand for green jobs." Another eventual recipient, the Energy Center of Wisconsin, received about $365,000.
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RYAN: Said Obama misled people in Ryan's hometown of Janesville, Wis., by making them think a General Motors plant there threatened with closure could be saved. "A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year."
THE FACTS: The plant halted production in December 2008, weeks before Obama took office and well before he enacted a more robust auto industry bailout that rescued GM and Chrysler and allowed the majority of their plants — though not the Janesville facility — to stay in operation. Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler.
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RYAN: Obama "created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way and then did exactly nothing."
THE FACTS: It's true that Obama hasn't heeded his commission's recommendations, but Ryan's not the best one to complain. He was a member of the commission and voted against its final report.



Too bad that cocksucker wasn't on a polygraph!

Shame, Conks.

Hey Cap- you know dang well when that plant in your hometown stopped producing trucks.

Ryan didn't lie about the plant; he took Obama out of context which is also a common political ploy, but the article you posted us factually inaccurate about the plant. There's an article from 2011 in the Milwaukee paper that backs this up.

We can ding Ryan for being creative with what The One said but the part about the plant closing in Dec 2008 is BS.

Cap'n Cat wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
Hey Cap- you know dang well when that plant in your hometown stopped producing trucks.

Ryan didn't lie about the plant; he took Obama out of context which is also a common political ploy, but the article you posted us factually inaccurate about the plant. There's an article from 2011 in the Milwaukee paper that backs this up.

We can ding Ryan for being creative with what The One said but the part about the plant closing in Dec 2008 is BS.

Wrong. Plant closed under Bushly, Mort.

More Conk lies. And I don't live in Janesville.

“If our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition…this plant will be here for another hundred years,”

“As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.”

A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008.

Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day.

Cap'n Cat wrote:Man, how anyone, in good conscience, can vote Conk, is astounding.

CAA Flagship wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:Man, how anyone, in good conscience, can vote Conk, is astounding.

Simple. Donks can't balance a checkbook. It's that easy.

Baldy wrote:Hmmm...still trying to see what is so factually incorrect about Ryan's statement.

kalm wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote: Simple. Donks can't balance a checkbook. It's that easy.

And conks do?

Ryan voted for billions in military spending AND the Bush tax cuts. He voted for Medicare Part D. He voted for bailing out TBTF banks. Yep he's a real deficit hawk, that one.

89Hen wrote:

Baldy wrote:Hmmm...still trying to see what is so factually incorrect about Ryan's statement.

Cap'n Crickets

Baldy wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:

Wrong. Plant closed under Bushly, Mort.

More Conk lies. And I don't live in Janesville.

I just love how some of these so-called "fact checkers" love to insert their own context into another persons words.

Obama at a campaign speech in Janesville, WI in 2008:

“If our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition…this plant will be here for another hundred years,”

In October, 2008, Obama said it again:

“As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.”

The transcript from Ryan's RNC speech:

A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008.

Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day.

In December of 2008, GM got it's "government support". In February 2009, it got even more "government support".
On April 23, 2009, the Janesville plans officially closed it's doors forever.

Hmmm...still trying to see what is so factually incorrect about Ryan's statement.

kalm wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote: Simple. Donks can't balance a checkbook. It's that easy.

And conks do?

Ryan voted for billions in military spending AND the Bush tax cuts. He voted for Medicare Part D. He voted for bailing out TBTF banks. Yep he's a real deficit hawk, that one.

JoltinJoe wrote:As I see it, the critical statements made by Ryan in his speech: Ryan said that we borrow 40 cents of every dollar we spend; that we have run deficits of over $1 trillion per year since 2009; and that we have not had a federal budget since 2009.

Fact checkers? What is false about those statements?

kalm wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:As I see it, the critical statements made by Ryan in his speech: Ryan said that we borrow 40 cents of every dollar we spend; that we have run deficits of over $1 trillion per year since 2009; and that we have not had a federal budget since 2009.

Fact checkers? What is false about those statements?

Probably nothing. What's missing is that he and his party also directly contributed to this. The few conks like Paul, Johnson, and Buddy Rohmer who speak to this fact and place equal importance in things like cutting military spending as well as social spending have very little voice. So neither party has really shown much interest in the long term future. You should vote 3rd party and hold to your convictions.

JoltinJoe wrote:

kalm wrote:
Probably nothing. What's missing is that he and his party also directly contributed to this. The few conks like Paul, Johnson, and Buddy Rohmer who speak to this fact and place equal importance in things like cutting military spending as well as social spending have very little voice. So neither party has really shown much interest in the long term future. You should vote 3rd party and hold to your convictions.

The President is supposed to lead, not divide. If he had spent the first two years in office attending to the deficit and the economy, there would have been be no Tea Party to oppose him in 2010. And if he had succeeded in fixing the economy and dealing with the deficit, he then would have been so popular, he could have had the national health care bill that he wanted.

President Obama got his priorities reversed and that's why he got a watered down health care bill and that's why he lost the House in 2010. He has only himself to blame.

kalm wrote: Meaningful change won't happen until the **** really hits the fan or we get a true leader. Don't see that happening under the current circumstances.

JoltinJoe wrote:

kalm wrote: Meaningful change won't happen until the **** really hits the fan or we get a true leader. Don't see that happening under the current circumstances.

Agreed. I tried Obama, but he carried water for Reid and Pelosi.

Realistically we have two options. So I'm taking my chance with Romney. He's got some accomplishments under his belt and seems like a sharp tack.

kalm wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:
Agreed. I tried Obama, but he carried water for Reid and Pelosi.

Realistically we have two options. So I'm taking my chance with Romney. He's got some accomplishments under his belt and seems like a sharp tack.

He also carried water for Blankfein, Dimon, United Healthcare, defense contractors, etc - just like Romney will do. Color me cynical but I truly think a vote for either party at this point is a complete waste. But to each his own.

kalm wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:
Agreed. I tried Obama, but he carried water for Reid and Pelosi.

Realistically we have two options. So I'm taking my chance with Romney. He's got some accomplishments under his belt and seems like a sharp tack.

He also carried water for Blankfein, Dimon, United Healthcare, defense contractors, etc - just like Romney will do. Color me cynical but I truly think a vote for either party at this point is a complete waste. But to each his own.

Grizalltheway wrote:

kalm wrote:
He also carried water for Blankfein, Dimon, United Healthcare, defense contractors, etc - just like Romney will do. Color me cynical but I truly think a vote for either party at this point is a complete waste. But to each his own.

Yep, and in states that are locks for Obama (like WA and NY) voting for Romney isn't going to do anything to get him out of office; may as well pick the canidate who most closely aligns with ones beliefs.