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10 US soldiers killed so far THIS MONTH from insider shootings.



"KABUL, Afghanistan — With the tempo of "insider" shootings accelerating, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff arrived in Afghanistan for talks on the phenomenon of Western troops dying at the hands of Afghan allies, U.S. and Afghan officials said Monday.

Army Gen. Martin Dempsey flew into the sprawling Bagram air base north of Kabul and was holding consultations with senior U.S. and Afghan commanders and government officials. Hours before his arrival, another American service member was killed in an insider shooting, the 10th such U.S. death this month.

In Washington, President Obama told reporters that he had spoken with Dempsey and would be "reaching out to [Afghan] President [Hamid] Karzai as well, because we've got to make sure that we're on top of this.""

Obama..."make sure we're on top of this".

Mission accomplished, part deux!

Where's the outrage from the Libs? We're now up to 2,100 dead in Affy, with 1,470 of those killed on Obama's watch.

Cluck U wrote:http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 5080.story

10 US soldiers killed so far THIS MONTH from insider shootings.



"KABUL, Afghanistan — With the tempo of "insider" shootings accelerating, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff arrived in Afghanistan for talks on the phenomenon of Western troops dying at the hands of Afghan allies, U.S. and Afghan officials said Monday.

Army Gen. Martin Dempsey flew into the sprawling Bagram air base north of Kabul and was holding consultations with senior U.S. and Afghan commanders and government officials. Hours before his arrival, another American service member was killed in an insider shooting, the 10th such U.S. death this month.

In Washington, President Obama told reporters that he had spoken with Dempsey and would be "reaching out to [Afghan] President [Hamid] Karzai as well, because we've got to make sure that we're on top of this.""

Obama..."make sure we're on top of this".

Mission accomplished, part deux!

Where's the outrage from the Libs? We're now up to 2,100 dead in Affy, with 1,470 of those killed on Obama's watch.

Right here, huck. Dumbazz should have declared victory and gone home the day after bin Laden was greased. Now that the rare metal potential reserves in the southwest of the country look substantial we're not leaving until we get thrown out or go broke.

houndawg wrote: Right here, huck. Dumbazz should have declared victory and gone home the day after bin Laden was greased. Now that the rare metal potential reserves in the southwest of the country look substantial we're not leaving until we get thrown out or go broke.

"Now"?

We've known about those metals for many years. Hell, the Discovery Channel or History Channel (or one of those cable channels, it's been a long time since I saw it) did a special on that several years ago, so you know geologists, and our big business boys, have known about it long before that.

Obama is killing our soldiers...for what? You might want to tap some of your Liberal friends on their heads and get the oxygen flowing back into their heads.

Obama has got to go.

Cluck U wrote:

houndawg wrote: Right here, huck. Dumbazz should have declared victory and gone home the day after bin Laden was greased. Now that the rare metal potential reserves in the southwest of the country look substantial we're not leaving until we get thrown out or go broke.

"Now"?

We've known about those metals for many years. Hell, the Discovery Channel or History Channel (or one of those cable channels, it's been a long time since I saw it) did a special on that several years ago, so you know geologists, and our big business boys, have known about it long before that.

Obama is killing our soldiers...for what? You might want to tap some of your Liberal friends on their heads and get the oxygen flowing back into their heads.

Obama has got to go.

'Dawg had his head buried firmly up his ass during the Bush years.

Frankly Afghanistan is the shame of the Democratic Party in my opinion...
and a key failure in the Obama presidency

Chizzang wrote:Frankly Afghanistan is the shame of the Democratic Party in my opinion...
and a key failure in the Obama presidency

If I were the Republicans, I'd be running weekly ads with Obama's military expenditures, Karzai's corruption, pictures of civilian casualties, and our GI casualty lists. Toss in Gitmo, the Patriot Act, Fast and Furious, administrative corruption, a list of his friends getting cushy jobs, unemployment numbers, and a whole host of other things he railed against (with his voice overs from his previous campaign's "outrage"), and put up, "CHANGE?"

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012 ... gotten-war

It was once President Barack Obama's "war of necessity." Now, it's America's forgotten war.

The Afghan conflict generates barely a whisper on the U.S. presidential campaign trail. It's not a hot topic at the office water cooler or in the halls of Congress — even though more than 80,000 American troops are still fighting here and dying at a rate of one a day.

Cluck U wrote:

houndawg wrote: Right here, huck. Dumbazz should have declared victory and gone home the day after bin Laden was greased. Now that the rare metal potential reserves in the southwest of the country look substantial we're not leaving until we get thrown out or go broke.

"Now"?

We've known about those metals for many years. Hell, the Discovery Channel or History Channel (or one of those cable channels, it's been a long time since I saw it) did a special on that several years ago, so you know geologists, and our big business boys, have known about it long before that.

Obama is killing our soldiers...for what? You might want to tap some of your Liberal friends on their heads and get the oxygen flowing back into their heads.

Obama has got to go.

Negative, your cluckishness.

You're thinking (to the extent that you're capable) of the iron and copper deposits in the north. The rare metals are in the southwest and preliminary estimates were made in '07, sight,unseen, based on Soviet notes. The geologists didn't get there in person until '10.

You sho is ignurnt, boy.

War protesters still have not appeared at the local corner that they owned during the Bush Admin.

Chizzang wrote:Frankly Afghanistan is the shame of the Democratic Party in my opinion...
and a key failure in the Obama presidency

Failure to get out, or failure in continuing to screw it up?

I think that the next time we decide to pursue a war we need to ask ourselves what we are prepared to do to win.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xOvH-7lcjb0

CID1990 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Frankly Afghanistan is the shame of the Democratic Party in my opinion...
and a key failure in the Obama presidency

Failure to get out, or failure in continuing to screw it up?

I think that the next time we decide to pursue a war we need to ask ourselves what we are prepared to do to win.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xOvH-7lcjb0

Failure to get out. Obama should have declared Mission Accomplished as soon as bin Laden was confirmed dead and gone home. As for what we're prepared to do, he ignored the fact that the Soviets waged a terror campaign against the Afghanis for ten years and still left with their tails between their legs.

Now these rare metals change the big picture for sure and if we decide that we must have them at all cost then the Pres needs to make that appeal to the public and demand that Congress declare war on Afghanistan.

houndawg wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
Failure to get out, or failure in continuing to screw it up?

I think that the next time we decide to pursue a war we need to ask ourselves what we are prepared to do to win.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xOvH-7lcjb0

Failure to get out. Obama should have declared Mission Accomplished as soon as bin Laden was confirmed dead and gone home. As for what we're prepared to do, he ignored the fact that the Soviets waged a terror campaign against the Afghanis for ten years and still left with their tails between their legs.
Now these rare metals change the big picture for sure and if we decide that we must have them at all cost then the Pres needs to make that appeal to the public and demand that Congress declare war on Afghanistan.

And they live right next door!

houndawg wrote:Now these rare metals change the big picture for sure and if we decide that we must have them at all cost then the Pres needs to make that appeal to the public and demand that Congress declare war on Afghanistan.

And you'd be fine with that?

AZGrizFan wrote:

houndawg wrote:Now these rare metals change the big picture for sure and if we decide that we must have them at all cost then the Pres needs to make that appeal to the public and demand that Congress declare war on Afghanistan.

And you'd be fine with that?

No, but I wouldn't feel as much like we were tricked into going to war.

houndawg wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
And you'd be fine with that?

No, but I wouldn't feel as much like we were tricked into going to war.

So you'd accept a public appeal for a war to get the "rare metals", but not a defacto war for oil?

AZGrizFan wrote:

houndawg wrote:
No, but I wouldn't feel as much like we were tricked into going to war.

So you'd accept a public appeal for a war to get the "rare metals", but not a defacto war for oil?

I'm not saying I'd like it, and the fact that right now China controls over 90% of these strategic rare metals is certainly something to be worried about, but the country deserves to hear the case be made instead of getting fobbed off with this bullshit about helping Afghani women.

As for oil I don't see the parallel. The world is awash in crude oil.

Obama has got to go.

So you would rather have Romney and the Republicans at the helm controlling our foreign policy? God help you.

Cluck U wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Frankly Afghanistan is the shame of the Democratic Party in my opinion...
and a key failure in the Obama presidency

If I were the Republicans, I'd be running weekly ads with Obama's military expenditures, Karzai's corruption, pictures of civilian casualties, and our GI casualty lists. Toss in Gitmo, the Patriot Act, Fast and Furious, administrative corruption, a list of his friends getting cushy jobs, unemployment numbers, and a whole host of other things he railed against (with his voice overs from his previous campaign's "outrage"), and put up, "CHANGE?"

Do the Republicans really want to dredge up who failed to act desively in Afganistan in the first place, who hand-picked Karzai, who got us into another war next door to Afganistan over lies, who started Gitmo, passed the Patriot Act, etc?

It may not be change, but the Republican'ts don't offer a viable alternative.

dbackjon wrote:

Cluck U wrote:


If I were the Republicans, I'd be running weekly ads with Obama's military expenditures, Karzai's corruption, pictures of civilian casualties, and our GI casualty lists. Toss in Gitmo, the Patriot Act, Fast and Furious, administrative corruption, a list of his friends getting cushy jobs, unemployment numbers, and a whole host of other things he railed against (with his voice overs from his previous campaign's "outrage"), and put up, "CHANGE?"

Do the Republicans really want to dredge up who failed to act desively in Afganistan in the first place, who hand-picked Karzai, who got us into another war next door to Afganistan over lies, who started Gitmo, passed the Patriot Act, etc?

It may not be change, but the Republican'ts don't offer a viable alternative.

Exactly. The Republicans can't win this argument by going negative. Complaining that Obama didn't change policies that were started by a GOP President won't work. They would be admitting that they/Bush were wrong and Obama is wrong, that won't exactly get out the vote.

If the GOP wants the high ground here they have to offer specific plans as to what they are going to do.

Or they can ignore it (Afghanistan) and focus on the economy, where I think Obama is weakest.

houndawg wrote:

Negative, your cluckishness.

You're thinking (to the extent that you're capable) of the iron and copper deposits in the north.

No, but don't worry, you look make yourself look stupid day, so why should today be different.

"In Afghanistan rare metals (lithium, caesium, tantalum and niobium ) occur in three main deposit types: pegmatites, mineralised springs and playa-lake sediments"

Those don't sound like "cooper" and "iron", but maybe a genius such as yourself could give it a second look once you get your head out of your ass.

And guess when that was written? Hint: before 2010. Wanna' guess who wrote it? Hint: it rhymes with peeologists.

And they weren't even American. And guess where they pointed out some rare earth metals would be? Hint: your recent "discovery" wasn't an accident.

FACT: US geologists have been working in Afghanistan with the Pentagon since at least 2005.

houndawg wrote: The rare metals are in the southwest and preliminary estimates were made in '07, sight,unseen, based on Soviet notes. The geologists didn't get there in person until '10.

You sho is ignurnt, boy.

Ignurnt?

You might note the date on this "new" report from Sept 15th, 2011. Then, you might also want to note the date found within the article.

RESTON, Va., Sept. 15 (UPI) -- More than 1 million tons of rare earth minerals were discovered in less than 1 square mile of Helmand province in Afghanistan, the U.S. Geological Survey said.

The USGS found the rare earth elements in about one-quarter of a square mile in deposits in Helmand. A 2007 survey found an estimated 1.5 million metric tons of potential rare earth resources in southern Afghanistan.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Energy ... z24o5EKv7W" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Found. That's an interesting word.

Copper and iron. 2010. North.

Now, get a load of this next set of lines from Scientific American from another "recent" find:

Ideally, geophysicists would generate three-dimensional views of the rock beneath the rare earth deposit Tucker and Peters visited by charting the region's magnetism and other properties with equipment carried on foot or in a low-flying plane.

Alas, the USGS has no plans to send its scientists back to Khan Neshin anytime soon. The agency's Pentagon funding has run out, and it is simply too dangerous for Americans to go again without military protection.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... are-earths" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wait, scientists have found yet another billion dollars (hey, if they've been double counting for years, who cares, right...it makes a better story) worth of rare minerals and the Pentagon has run out of funding?

Let me tell you something, houndope...forget geologists...we've been using drones to survey areas for minerals for quite some time. That's a fact...and it isn't something the Pentagon talks about.

Your boy Obama is complaining that the Chinese, who control over 95% of the world's supply of rare elements, including contracts with Affy, is being "unfair". All while Obama is killing our troops in Afghanistan at a rate of about 1 per day.

Why are we still in Affy?

Cluck U wrote:

houndawg wrote:

Negative, your cluckishness.

You're thinking (to the extent that you're capable) of the iron and copper deposits in the north.

No, but don't worry, you look make yourself look stupid day, so why should today be different.

"In Afghanistan rare metals (lithium, caesium, tantalum and niobium ) occur in three main deposit types: pegmatites, mineralised springs and playa-lake sediments"

Those don't sound like "cooper" and "iron", but maybe a genius such as yourself could give it a second look once you get your head out of your ass.

And guess when that was written? Hint: before 2010. Wanna' guess who wrote it? Hint: it rhymes with peeologists.

And they weren't even American. And guess where they pointed out some rare earth metals would be? Hint: your recent "discovery" wasn't an accident.

FACT: US geologists have been working in Afghanistan with the Pentagon since at least 2005.

houndawg wrote: The rare metals are in the southwest and preliminary estimates were made in '07, sight,unseen, based on Soviet notes. The geologists didn't get there in person until '10.

You sho is ignurnt, boy.

Ignurnt?

You might note the date on this "new" report from Sept 15th, 2011. Then, you might also want to note the date found within the article.

RESTON, Va., Sept. 15 (UPI) -- More than 1 million tons of rare earth minerals were discovered in less than 1 square mile of Helmand province in Afghanistan, the U.S. Geological Survey said.

The USGS found the rare earth elements in about one-quarter of a square mile in deposits in Helmand. A 2007 survey found an estimated 1.5 million metric tons of potential rare earth resources in southern Afghanistan.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Energy ... z24o5EKv7W" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Found. That's an interesting word.

Copper and iron. 2010. North.

Now, get a load of this next set of lines from Scientific American from another "recent" find:

Ideally, geophysicists would generate three-dimensional views of the rock beneath the rare earth deposit Tucker and Peters visited by charting the region's magnetism and other properties with equipment carried on foot or in a low-flying plane.

Alas, the USGS has no plans to send its scientists back to Khan Neshin anytime soon. The agency's Pentagon funding has run out, and it is simply too dangerous for Americans to go again without military protection.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... are-earths" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wait, scientists have found yet another billion dollars (hey, if they've been double counting for years, who cares, right...it makes a better story) worth of rare minerals and the Pentagon has run out of funding?

Let me tell you something, houndope...forget geologists...we've been using drones to survey areas for minerals for quite some time. That's a fact...and it isn't something the Pentagon talks about.

Your boy Obama is complaining that the Chinese, who control over 95% of the world's supply of rare elements, including contracts with Affy, is being "unfair". All while Obama is killing our troops in Afghanistan at a rate of about 1 per day.

Why are we still in Affy?

I just told you why.

Stupid conk fcvk.

houndawg wrote:
I just told you why.

Stupid conk fcvk.

You just had your "ignrnt" ass handed to you...don't be such a sore loser.

And your stupid Donk fcvk Obama has just added two more bodies to his pile yesterday:

"The Department of Defense announced today the death of two soldiers who were supporting Operation Enduring Freedom.

They died Aug. 27, in Kalagush, Afghanistan, of injuries suffered from enemy, small arms fire. They were assigned to the 4th Special Troops Battalion, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, Fort Carson, Colo.

Killed were:

Sgt. Christopher J. Birdwell, 25, of Windsor, Colo., and

Spc. Mabry J. Anders, 21, of Baker City, Ore.

For more information related to this release, media may contact the Fort Carson public affairs office during normal business hours at 719-526-7525 or 719-526-4143; after normal business hours, call 719-526-5500."

http://www.defense.gov/releases/release ... seid=15541" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


CHANGE.

Point to Cluck.

Supported with facts, concise, light on diversionary hyperbole.

Add three more to the "inside" body count:

KABUL, Afghanistan – The U.S.-led military coalition in Afghanistan says three of its troops have been killed by a man in an Afghan army uniform.

The attack is the latest in a rising number of disturbing shootings this year by Afghans soldiers -- or insurgents dressed as government troops -- on the international forces training them to fight the Taliban as the international coalition withdraws.

NATO said Wednesday the latest attack came a day earlier in southern Afghanistan. It gave no other details.

Similar "insider attacks" have been rising sharply, with 34 of them so far this year. Forty-five coalition members have been killed, mostly Americans.

At least a dozen of this year's attacks have been in the past month, raising questions of a new Taliban strategy.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/08/29 ... z24yuQ6Q7j" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

houndawg wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:


So you'd accept a public appeal for a war to get the "rare metals", but not a defacto war for oil?

I'm not saying I'd like it, and the fact that right now China controls over 90% of these strategic rare metals is certainly something to be worried about, but the country deserves to hear the case be made instead of getting fobbed off with this bullshit about helping Afghani women.

As for oil I don't see the parallel. The world is awash in crude oil.

The world RUNS on crude oil. It doesn't run on these "rare" metals. Your hypocrisy is astounding, honestly.