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dbackjon wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012 ... utsourcing

The shock of losing a precious job in a town afflicted by high unemployment is always hard. A foundation for a stable family life and secure home instantly disappears, replaced with a future filled with fears over health insurance, missed mortgage payments and the potential for a slip below the breadline.

But for Bonnie Borman – and 170 other men and women in Freeport, Illinois – there is a brutal twist to the torture. Borman, 52, and the other workers of a soon-to-be-shuttered car parts plant are personally training the Chinese workers who will replace them.

It's a surreal experience, they say. For months they have watched their plant being dismantled and shipped to China, piece by piece, as they show teams of Chinese workers how to do the jobs they have dedicated their lives to.

"It's not easy to get up in the morning, training them to do your job so that you can be made unemployed," said Borman, pictured, a mother of three who has worked for 23 years at the Sensata auto sensors plant.

dbackjon wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012 ... utsourcing

The shock of losing a precious job in a town afflicted by high unemployment is always hard. A foundation for a stable family life and secure home instantly disappears, replaced with a future filled with fears over health insurance, missed mortgage payments and the potential for a slip below the breadline.

But for Bonnie Borman – and 170 other men and women in Freeport, Illinois – there is a brutal twist to the torture. Borman, 52, and the other workers of a soon-to-be-shuttered car parts plant are personally training the Chinese workers who will replace them.

It's a surreal experience, they say. For months they have watched their plant being dismantled and shipped to China, piece by piece, as they show teams of Chinese workers how to do the jobs they have dedicated their lives to.

"It's not easy to get up in the morning, training them to do your job so that you can be made unemployed," said Borman, pictured, a mother of three who has worked for 23 years at the Sensata auto sensors plant.

CID1990 wrote:Dude's rich, AND directly gives people cancer. Heck we NEED that. Hugo Chavez.... coincidence? I think not.

He's like Al Pacino in that movie where he plays the devil.

JohnStOnge wrote:Then entitlement mentality on full display. As though the reason for a business' existence is to provide YOU with a job. Few if any of the people involved would pay more than they have to to get something they need done done. They'd see nothing wrong with choosing the least expensive house painter they can get, the least expensive lawn care business, the least expensive car dealer, etc. When it's THEIR money they see nothing wrong with choosing the cheapest alternative regardless of what that means for anybody else.

But when somebody decides that what they're doing can be obtained for a lower cost, why, then it's IMMORAL!

Cluck U wrote:

Jesus, this will be easy...let's start a list of all the jobs lost or shipped overseas due to Obama's actions. Woo-hoo...game on!

Start with trucking jobs lost to Mexico...that ought to get the Teamsters a little steamed about supporting Obushma.

JohnStOnge wrote:Then entitlement mentality on full display. As though the reason for a business' existence is to provide YOU with a job. Few if any of the people involved would pay more than they have to to get something they need done done. They'd see nothing wrong with choosing the least expensive house painter they can get, the least expensive lawn care business, the least expensive car dealer, etc. When it's THEIR money they see nothing wrong with choosing the cheapest alternative regardless of what that means for anybody else.

But when somebody decides that what they're doing can be obtained for a lower cost, why, then it's IMMORAL!

SDHornet wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:Then entitlement mentality on full display. As though the reason for a business' existence is to provide YOU with a job. Few if any of the people involved would pay more than they have to to get something they need done done. They'd see nothing wrong with choosing the least expensive house painter they can get, the least expensive lawn care business, the least expensive car dealer, etc. When it's THEIR money they see nothing wrong with choosing the cheapest alternative regardless of what that means for anybody else.

But when somebody decides that what they're doing can be obtained for a lower cost, why, then it's IMMORAL!

So the idea of working to provide for a family is entitlement now? WAFJ.

CID1990 wrote:

SDHornet wrote: So the idea of working to provide for a family is entitlement now? WAFJ.

I think you missed the point. The idea of private business is not to create jobs, but to make money. You create jobs in the process. Sounds callous, but there it is, and it is a damn sight better than the alternative models.

Grizalltheway wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
I think you missed the point. The idea of private business is not to create jobs, but to make money. You create jobs in the process. Sounds callous, but there it is, and it is a damn sight better than the alternative models.

Right. And most small or medium business owners, at least those with anything resembling a soul, will show some modicum of gratitude to the employees who have helped them build a successful organization. You know, things like not giving their jobs to Yao unless they absolutely have to do so.

Grizalltheway wrote: Right. And most small or medium business owners, at least those with anything resembling a soul, will show some modicum of gratitude to the employees who have helped them build a successful organization. You know, things like not giving their jobs to Yao unless they absolutely have to do so.

dbackjon wrote:You righties have NO CLUE whatsoever.

It is sickening the attitude on this board, and by the lack of fundamental understanding of economics, and what it means to be an American.

Unfettered Capitalism is just as bad as Communism. Neither serve the populace as a whole

LeadBolt wrote:

dbackjon wrote:You righties have NO CLUE whatsoever.

It is sickening the attitude on this board, and by the lack of fundamental understanding of economics, and what it means to be an American.

Unfettered Capitalism is just as bad as Communism. Neither serve the populace as a whole

I agree with the bolded statement above, but many generations do you have to go back in US history to find unfettered capitalism? My guess is 5. I'm 60 and my grandfather was a unionized worker, as was I as a young man.

Grizalltheway wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
I think you missed the point. The idea of private business is not to create jobs, but to make money. You create jobs in the process. Sounds callous, but there it is, and it is a damn sight better than the alternative models.

Right. And most small or medium business owners, at least those with anything resembling a soul, will show some modicum of gratitude to the employees who have helped them build a successful organization. You know, things like not giving their jobs to Yao unless they absolutely have to do so.

dbackjon wrote:It is sickening the attitude on this board, and by the lack of fundamental understanding of economics, and what it means to be an American.

CID1990 wrote:

Grizalltheway wrote:
Right. And most small or medium business owners, at least those with anything resembling a soul, will show some modicum of gratitude to the employees who have helped them build a successful organization. You know, things like not giving their jobs to Yao unless they absolutely have to do so.

So who is saying that the majority of small and medium business owners don't generally treat their employees well?

Plus, it isn't the small or medium business owner who gives those jobs to "Yao". Only in economies of scale does it become competitive to do so, and that means the big boys. This is just basic economics, and if you are suggesting that small businesses are shipping jobs to China then you'll need to show some evidence.

Again, the object is making money. People do not start small business out of some altruistic urge to create jobs for their neighbors. They do it to make money, i.e.; make a living. Larger companies are beholden to their stockholders who then demand that their share prices are profitable, or they take their investments elsewhere. American companies already have a very difficult time competing with overseas manufacturers as it is, but outsourcing is usually a choice between staying in business or shuttering.

How many of you libs have 401Ks, 457s or other investments? How many if you switch away from funds that are not performing well? If you do and then b1tch about big bad corporations laying people off and moving to China then that is the height of hypocrisy.

At its core it is about making money. And Jon you can bloviate all you want but that's the truth of the matter, and you need to consider how much better off you would be if that WASN'T the case.

Grizalltheway wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
So who is saying that the majority of small and medium business owners don't generally treat their employees well?

Plus, it isn't the small or medium business owner who gives those jobs to "Yao". Only in economies of scale does it become competitive to do so, and that means the big boys. This is just basic economics, and if you are suggesting that small businesses are shipping jobs to China then you'll need to show some evidence.

Again, the object is making money. People do not start small business out of some altruistic urge to create jobs for their neighbors. They do it to make money, i.e.; make a living. Larger companies are beholden to their stockholders who then demand that their share prices are profitable, or they take their investments elsewhere. American companies already have a very difficult time competing with overseas manufacturers as it is, but outsourcing is usually a choice between staying in business or shuttering.

How many of you libs have 401Ks, 457s or other investments? How many if you switch away from funds that are not performing well? If you do and then b1tch about big bad corporations laying people off and moving to China then that is the height of hypocrisy.

At its core it is about making money. And Jon you can bloviate all you want but that's the truth of the matter, and you need to consider how much better off you would be if that WASN'T the case.

In cases like that I understand that off-shoring is a necessary evil. But it's not always necessary for survival, like in the story that dback posted. Hell, some manufacturing companies (like MasterLock) are even bring jobs back from overseas.

There's no denying that the global economy is changing drastically, and that Americans need to be aware of it and do their best to adapt. It's just unfortunate that so many honest and hardworking people are getting the short end of the stick, while those at the very top are doing better than ever.

SDHornet wrote:

Cluck U wrote:

Jesus, this will be easy...let's start a list of all the jobs lost or shipped overseas due to Obama's actions. Woo-hoo...game on!

Start with trucking jobs lost to Mexico...that ought to get the Teamsters a little steamed about supporting Obushma.

Wan't that a program implemented while Bush was in office?

Grizalltheway wrote:There's no denying that the global economy is changing drastically, and that Americans need to be aware of it and do their best to adapt. It's just unfortunate that so many honest and hardworking people are getting the short end of the stick, while those at the very top are doing better than ever.