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So it turns out, Harry Reid doesn't make his tax returns public either. In fact only 17 members of congress have agreed to a request from McClatchey News Service to release theirs including Reid and Nancy Pelosi.

The President and VP have followed precedent and released the last 12 years.

Why shouldn't everyone in congress and running for president do so? Sunlight...

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kalm wrote:So it turns out, Harry Reid doesn't make his tax returns public either. In fact only 17 members of congress have agreed to a request from McClatchey News Service to release theirs including Reid and Nancy Pelosi.

The President and VP have followed precedent and released the last 12 years.

Why shouldn't everyone in congress and running for president do so? Sunlight...

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Especially if you are going to call the other side on it.

Good to see this election cycle has a lot of discussion and soul-searching about the economy and our future and not which rich folks are paying the most taxes.

BTW, I'd bet money that Romney gives a higher percentage of his income to charities than Reid or Pelosi.

Pwns wrote:Good to see this election cycle has a lot of discussion and soul-searching about the economy and our future and not which rich folks are paying the most taxes.

BTW, I'd bet money that Romney gives a higher percentage of his income to charities than Reid or Pelosi.

Especially if you consider the Mormon Church a charity. Then again, I guess Reid is a Mormon too.

Romney could end the discussion if he released his records.

kalm wrote:

Pwns wrote:Good to see this election cycle has a lot of discussion and soul-searching about the economy and our future and not which rich folks are paying the most taxes.

BTW, I'd bet money that Romney gives a higher percentage of his income to charities than Reid or Pelosi.

Especially if you consider the Mormon Church a charity. Then again, I guess Reid is a Mormon too.

Romney could end the discussion if he released his records.

Did John Kerry release his returns?
He didn't win either.

Regardless Reid has effectively cornered Romney & there is no good option for him. He's damned if he does most likely & he'll be damned if he doesn't because it just feeds into the perception that's already there.

kalm wrote:

Pwns wrote:Good to see this election cycle has a lot of discussion and soul-searching about the economy and our future and not which rich folks are paying the most taxes.

BTW, I'd bet money that Romney gives a higher percentage of his income to charities than Reid or Pelosi.

Especially if you consider the Mormon Church a charity. Then again, I guess Reid is a Mormon too.

Romney could end the discussion if he released his records.

Yeah, the discussion would end the second he released his returns.

Throw the bums out...all of them.

Gil Dobie wrote:

kalm wrote:
Especially if you consider the Mormon Church a charity. Then again, I guess Reid is a Mormon too.

Romney could end the discussion if he released his records.

Did John Kerry release his returns?
He didn't win either.

Kerry has 23 years of tax returns released.

Full returns released by Romney - ZERO. What is he hiding?

dbackjon wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:
Did John Kerry release his returns?
He didn't win either.

Kerry has 23 years of tax returns released.

Full returns released by Romney - ZERO. What is he hiding?

Reid knows what he is hiding. Obvious as hell with all the immediate dirty liar response. I would bet McCain has something to do with this leak.

If Romney had come clean with at least five years of returns, he could have warded this off by portraying himself as a smart business man who knows how to navigate the tax laws....now it comes down to two choices-

1. Stick to his guns and get creamed in the fall.

2. Come clean now and bow out in time for the GOP to nominate another candidate at the convention.

dbackjon wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:
Did John Kerry release his returns?
He didn't win either.

Kerry has 23 years of tax returns released.

Full returns released by Romney - ZERO. What is he hiding?

He's playing politics just like Obama. Romney did release 23 years of taxes to the McCain Presidential campaign. McCain released 2 years of his when he ran, Romney so far has released 2010 and an estimated 2011 according to Fact Checker. Obama released 7 years of returns when he first ran.

Baldy wrote:

kalm wrote:
Especially if you consider the Mormon Church a charity. Then again, I guess Reid is a Mormon too.

Romney could end the discussion if he released his records.

Yeah, the discussion would end the second he released his returns.

I'd say you're wrong there because if that was the case Romney would've probably released his returns already and the conversation could move elsewhere. The fact of the matter is it hasn't and Romney's stigma, earned or not as a job outsourcer & not paying an actual high percentage of income towards taxes will continue to dog him. The truth of the matter is Romney doesn't stand for much of anything specific other than he's not Obama & he'll keep the 1% fat & happy.

He's got to realize the election is winnable for him (not that I'd goto Vegas today & bet a dime on his candidacy), but he has to get out of the corner he's in & attack better. And he has to start getting more specific on his ideas - what he's thrown out there to date hasn't/isn't working on the general election level.

If he really can end the discussion with releasing returns then do it, otherwise the belief, whether it's true or hype, that there are tax skeletons in Mitt's closet will just grow & discredit his stance on the subject......

bluehenbillk wrote:

Baldy wrote: Yeah, the discussion would end the second he released his returns.

I'd say you're wrong there because if that was the case Romney would've probably released his returns already and the conversation could move elsewhere. The fact of the matter is it hasn't and Romney's stigma, earned or not as a job outsourcer & not paying an actual high percentage of income towards taxes will continue to dog him. The truth of the matter is Romney doesn't stand for much of anything specific other than he's not Obama & he'll keep the 1% fat & happy.

He's got to realize the election is winnable for him (not that I'd goto Vegas today & bet a dime on his candidacy), but he has to get out of the corner he's in & attack better. And he has to start getting more specific on his ideas - what he's thrown out there to date hasn't/isn't working on the general election level.

If he really can end the discussion with releasing returns then do it, otherwise the belief, whether it's true or hype, that there are tax skeletons in Mitt's closet will just grow & discredit his stance on the subject......

Good analysis.

dbackjon wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:
Did John Kerry release his returns?
He didn't win either.

Kerry has 23 years of tax returns released.

Full returns released by Romney - ZERO. What is he hiding?

Romney released 2010 returns and will release 2011 returns, MORE than what the law requires.
Kerry released returns, but his sugar mama wife didn't and REFUSED to release any.

Jimmy Carter released one year of returns.
John McCain 2 years.
Ronald Reagan 1 year.

Don't quite understand. It was OK for McCain to release 2 years, but not Romney? Guess there wasn't enough red meat on that bone to satisfy the mouth breathers.

In the end, it isn't going to matter. Obama can't run off his record and this turd can only fly for so long.

bluehenbillk wrote:

Baldy wrote: Yeah, the discussion would end the second he released his returns.

I'd say you're wrong there because if that was the case Romney would've probably released his returns already and the conversation could move elsewhere. The fact of the matter is it hasn't and Romney's stigma, earned or not as a job outsourcer & not paying an actual high percentage of income towards taxes will continue to dog him. The truth of the matter is Romney doesn't stand for much of anything specific other than he's not Obama & he'll keep the 1% fat & happy.

He's got to realize the election is winnable for him (not that I'd goto Vegas today & bet a dime on his candidacy), but he has to get out of the corner he's in & attack better. And he has to start getting more specific on his ideas - what he's thrown out there to date hasn't/isn't working on the general election level.

If he really can end the discussion with releasing returns then do it, otherwise the belief, whether it's true or hype, that there are tax skeletons in Mitt's closet will just grow & discredit his stance on the subject......

Absofuckinglutely amazing that we (as a country) will elect a guy with close ties to KNOWN terrorists, but godforfuckingbid a man not pay his "fair share" of taxes by taking advantage of the tax laws. Nope. Sorry. You lose. We're gonna go with the terrorist guy.

Is it any wonder why this country is fucked?

I don't understand how Reid can say that Romney didn't pay his taxes for 10 years. I can certainly understand if Romney's taking advantage of loopholes, but wouldn't the IRS have something to say if he's not paying?

∞∞∞ wrote:I don't understand how Reid can say that Romney didn't pay his taxes for 10 years. I can certainly understand if Romney's taking advantage of loopholes, but wouldn't the IRS have something to say if he's not paying?

I don't believe the case is that he did not pay taxes, the case is he did not have to pay federal income tax on his income because of ample write-offs and loop holes for those with his assets, attorneys, and tax accountants. Throw in the off shore holdings, etc and the reality is, nobody else will understand either, that is how you make millions and millions of dollars without paying any income tax, but that you still have no problem shelling out 10% to the Mormon Church so that they can pursue their agenda with their billions.

This has been leaked, and as far as anyone knows only McCain and staff had access to Romneys prior tax returns. Notice McCain chose Palin instead of Romney for his running mate, probably because she had much less baggage.




Romney was going to lose anyway, but it appears over much earlier than expected at this juncture.

kalm wrote:

Pwns wrote:Good to see this election cycle has a lot of discussion and soul-searching about the economy and our future and not which rich folks are paying the most taxes.

BTW, I'd bet money that Romney gives a higher percentage of his income to charities than Reid or Pelosi.

Especially if you consider the Mormon Church a charity. Then again, I guess Reid is a Mormon too.

Romney could end the discussion if he released his records.

Why does Romney have to release his returns to end the discussion? How about a fair trade: Reid reveals his "source" and Romney releases his tax returns?

Of course, Romney just encourages this type of discussion because he won't release his returns. Romney is an empty suit that stands for nothing, except the advancement of himself. However, if I'm Romney, I'd ask the IRS to validate Reid's claims because it's clear Reid isn't dignified enough to do it himself.

Wedgebuster wrote:

∞∞∞ wrote:I don't understand how Reid can say that Romney didn't pay his taxes for 10 years. I can certainly understand if Romney's taking advantage of loopholes, but wouldn't the IRS have something to say if he's not paying?

I don't believe the case is that he did not pay taxes, the case is he did not have to pay federal income tax on his income because of ample write-offs and loop holes for those with his assets, attorneys, and tax accountants. Throw in the off shore holdings, etc and the reality is, nobody else will understand either, that is how you make millions and millions of dollars without paying any income tax, but that you still have no problem shelling out 10% to the Mormon Church so that they can pursue their agenda with their billions.

This has been leaked, and as far as anyone knows only McCain and staff had access to Romneys prior tax returns. Notice McCain chose Palin instead of Romney for his running mate, probably because she had much less baggage.




Romney was going to lose anyway, but it appears over much earlier than expected at this juncture.

I think you're spot on. I also agree that Romney was going to lose anyways. Neither candidate is worth a damn, but the Republicans clearly pulled off what the Democrats did in 2004--put up an even worse candidate than the incumbent. Congrats conks!

Does anyone really believe he hasn't paid his taxes?

I don't care bout his taxes. Obviously the man did well for himself. Anyone that says they wouldn't take advantage of all tax advantages is liar. This is a non issue. Talk about the economy, taxes, defense spending, improving education, etc...

Ibanez wrote:I don't care bout his taxes. Obviously the man did well for himself. Anyone that says they wouldn't take advantage of all tax advantages is liar. This is a non issue. Talk about the economy, taxes, defense spending, improving education, etc...

This.

"OBAMA’S COLLEGE CLASSMATE: ‘THE OBAMA SCANDAL IS AT COLUMBIA’

I am President Obama’s classmate at Columbia University, Class of ’83. I am also one of the most accurate Las Vegas oddsmakers and prognosticators. Accurate enough that I was awarded my own star on the Las Vegas Walk of Stars. And I smell something rotten in Denmark. Obama has a big skeleton in his closet. It’s his college records. Call it “gut instinct” but my gut is almost always right. Obama has a secret hidden at Columbia- and it’s a bad one that threatens to bring down his presidency. Gut instinct is how I’ve made my living for 29 years since graduating Columbia.

Obama and his infamous strategist David Axelrod understand how to play political hardball, the best it’s ever been played. Team Obama has decided to distract America’s voters by condemning Mitt Romney for not releasing enough years of his tax returns. It’s the perfect cover. Obama knows the best defense is a bold offense. Just keep attacking Mitt and blaming him for secrecy and evasion, while accusing him of having a scandal that doesn’t exist. Then ask followers like Senator Harry Reid to chase the lead. The U.S. Senate Majority Leader appears to now be making up stories out of thin air, about tax returns he knows nothing about. It’s a cynical, brilliant, and vicious strategy. Make Romney defend, so he can’t attack the real Obama scandal.

This is classic Axelrod. Obama has won several elections in his career by slandering his opponents and leaking sealed documents. Not only do these insinuations and leaks ruin the credibility and reputation of Obama’s opponents, they keep them on the defensive and off Obama’s trail of sealed documents................(continues)................."
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Root is right, Romney should turn the tables on Obama and call his bluff.

Ibanez wrote:I don't care bout his taxes. Obviously the man did well for himself. Anyone that says they wouldn't take advantage of all tax advantages is liar. This is a non issue. Talk about the economy, taxes, defense spending, improving education, etc...

But he does not do that. All he ever says is Obama bad, Romney good, Obama bad, Romney good, rinse, lather, and repeat....

Romney is a silver spooner.

The whole point of the tax return hiding is that they know his finances will piss off those who pay almost all the taxes in this country, what is left of the middle class. He does not connect, nor understand, and the more he tries the more alien he comes off as.

Fucker is toast.