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Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:there is only 1 version....

Vidav wrote:

Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:there is only 1 version....

So which of the four gospels do you believe is the correct one?

Vidav wrote:

Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:there is only 1 version....

So which of the four gospels do you believe is the correct one?

Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:

Vidav wrote:
So which of the four gospels do you believe is the correct one?

I believe they are all correct.

Gospel Contradictions:

1) How many generations were there between Abraham to David? Matthew 1:17 lists fourteen generations. Matthew 1:2 lists thirteen generations.

2) Is Paul lying? In Acts 20:35 Paul told people "to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'" Since Jesus never made such a biblical statement, isn’t Paul guilty of deception?

3) When did the leper become not a leper? (Matthew 8:13 & 8:14) Jesus healed the leper before visiting the house. (Mark 1:29-30 & 1:40-42) Jesus healed the leper after visiting Simon Peter’s house.

4) Who approached Jesus? (Matthew 8:5-7) The Centurion approached Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant. (Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7) The Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent friends and elders of the Jews.

5) Was she dead or just dying? (Matthew 9:18) He asked for help, saying his daughter was already dead. (Luke 8:41-42) Jairus approached Jesus for help, because his daughter was dying.

6) Just what did Jesus instruct them to take? (Matthew 10:10) Jesus instructed them not to take a staff, not to wear sandals. (Mark 6:8-9) Jesus instructed his disciples to wear sandals and take a staff on their journey.

7) When did John find out Jesus was the Messiah? (Matthew 11:2-3) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the messiah. (Luke 7:18-22) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the Messiah. (John 1 :29-34,36) John already knew Jesus was the Messiah.

8) Who made the request? (Matthew 20:20-21) Their mother requested that James and John, Zebedee’s children, should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom. (Mark 10:35-37) James and John, Zebedee’s children, requested that they should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom.

9) What animals were brought to Jesus? (Matthew 21:2-7) two of the disciples brought Jesus an ass and a colt from the village of Bethphage. (Mark 11:2-7) They brought him only a colt.

10) When did the fig tree hear of its doom? (Matthew 21:17-19) Jesus cursed the fig tree after purging the temple. (Mark 11:14-15 & 20) He cursed it before the purging.

11) When did the fig tree keel? (Matthew 21:9) The fig tree withered immediately. and the disciples registered surprise then and there. (Mark 11:12-14 & 20) The morning after Jesus cursed the fig tree, the disciples noticed it had withered and expressed astonishment.

12) Was John the Baptist Elias? "This is Elias which was to come." Matthew 11:14 "And they asked him, what then? Art thou Elias? And he said I am not." John l:21

13) Who was the father of Joseph? Matthew 1:16 The father of Joseph was Jacob. Luke 3 :23 The father of Joseph was Heli. Christians shall try to LIE and tell you that one is the heritage of Mary and the other Joseph. This is utter bullshit, the Hebrew and Greek cultures NEVER regarded the bloodline of the mother. They were patriarchal societies which only concerned themselves with paternal lineage.

14) How many generations were there from the Babylon captivity to Christ? Matthew 1:17 Fourteen generations, Matthew 1:12-16 Thirteen generations.

15) Matthew 2:15, 19 & 21-23 The infant Christ was taken into Egypt. Luke 2:22 & 39 The infant Christ was NOT taken to Egypt.

16) Matthew 5:1-2 Christ preached his first sermon on the mount. Luke 6:17 & 20 Christ preached his first sermon in the plain.

17) John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. Mark 1:14 John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. John 1:43 & 3:22-24

18) What was the nationality of the woman who besought Jesus? Matthew 15:22 "And behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, Have mercy on me, 0 Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil." Mark 7:26 "The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation, and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter."

19) How many blind men besought Jesus? Matthew 20:30 Two blind men. Luke 18:35-38 Only one blind man.

20) Where did the devil take Jesus first? (Matthew 4:5-8) The Devil took Jesus first to the parapet of the temple, then to a high place to view all the Kingdoms of the world. (Luke 4:5-9) The Devil took Jesus first to a high place to view the kingdoms, then to the parapet of the temple.

21) Can one pray in public? (Matthew 6:5-6) Jesus condemned public prayer. (1 Timothy 2:8) Paul encouraged public prayer.

22) If we decide to do good works, should those works be seen? Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works." 1 Peter 2:12 "Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that ... they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation." This contradicts: Matthew 6:1-4 "Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them…that thine alms may be in secret." Matthew 23:3-5 "Do not ye after their [Pharisees'] works ... all their works they do for to be seen of men."

23) Who did Jesus tell the Lord’s Prayer to? (Matthew 5:1, 6:9-13 & 7:28) Jesus delivered the Lord’s Prayer during the Sermon on the Mount before the multitudes. (Luke 11:1-4) He delivered it before the disciples alone, and not as part of the Sermon on the Mount.

24) When was Christ crucified? Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour and they crucified him." John 19:14-15 "And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour; and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your king…Shall I crucify your king?" John 19:14-15.

25) The two thieves reviled Christ. (Matthew 27:44 & Mark 15:32) Only one of the thieves reviled Christ. Luke 23:39-40.

26) In 1 Corinthians 1:17 ("For Christ sent me [Paul] not to baptize but to preach the gospel") Paul said Jesus was wrong when he said in Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them…" Clearly one of these people is wrong, either way, it’s a contradiction.

27) When did Satan enter Judas? Satan entered into Judas while at the supper. John 13:27 Satan entered Judas before the supper. Luke 23:3-4 & 7

28) How many women came to the sepulcher? John 20:1 Only one woman went, Mary Magdalene. Matthew 28:1 Mary Magdalene and the "other Mary" (Jesus’ mother) went.

29) Mark 16:2 It was sunrise when the two women went to the sepulcher. John 20:1 It was still dark (before sunrise) when Mary Magdalene went alone to the sepulcher.

30) There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulcher and they were standing up. Luke 24:4 There was only one angel seen and he was sitting down. Mark 28:2-5

31) How many angels were within the sepulcher? John 20:11-12 two, Mark 16:5 one.

32) The Holy Ghost bestowed at Pentecost. Acts 1:5-8 & 2:1-4 The holy Ghost bestowed before Pentecost. John 20:22

33) Where did Jesus first appear to the eleven disciples? In a room in Jerusalem. Luke 24:32-37 On a mountain in Galilee. Matthew 28:15-17

34) Where did Christ ascend from? From Mount Olivet. Acts 1:9-12 From Bethany. Luke 24:50-51

35) Can all sins be forgiven? (Acts 13:39) All sins can be forgiven. Great, I’m happy to know God is so merciful, but wait (Mark 3:29) Cursing or blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.

36) The Elijah mystery: (Malachi 4:5) Elijah must return before the final days of the world. (Matthew 11:12-14) Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah. (Matthew 17:12- 13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come, and everyone understood him to mean John the Baptist. (Mark 9:13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come. (John 1:21) John the Baptist maintained that he was not Elijah.

37) Who purchased the potter’s field? Acts 1:18 The field was purchased by Judas. John 20:1 The potter’s field was purchased by the chief priests.

38) Paul’s attendants heard the miraculous voice and stood speechless. Acts 9:7 Paul’s attendants did not hear the voice and were prostrate. Acts 22:9 & 26:14

39) Who bought the Sepulcher? Jacob, Josh 24:32 Abraham, Acts 7:16

40) Was it lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death? "The Jews answered him, we have a law, and by our law he ought to die." John 19:7 "The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death." John 18:31

41) Has anyone ascended up to heaven? Elijah went up to heaven: "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." 2 Kings 2:11 "No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man." John 3:13

42) Is scripture inspired by God? "all scripture is given by inspiration of God." 2 Timothy 3:16 compared to: "But I speak this by permission and not by commandment." 1 Corinthians 7:6 "But to the rest speak I, not the Lord." 1 Corinthians 7:12 "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord" 2 Corinthians.

Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No one has been "indoctrinating" me throughout life. My Christian beliefs have been a lifelong process for me.....and it will continue throughout my life.

......"absurdity, myth and contradiction" are what you believe......fine. You can cherry-pick any passage from the Bible that you want, people can get many different answer, beliefs and arguments from the same passage.

Like I said, my faith is a lifelong journey.

Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No one has been "indoctrinating" me throughout life. My Christian beliefs have been a lifelong process for me.....and it will continue throughout my life.

......"absurdity, myth and contradiction" are what you believe......fine. You can cherry-pick any passage from the Bible that you want, people can get many different answer, beliefs and arguments from the same passage.

Like I said, my faith is a lifelong journey.


interesting source of your quotes....evilbible.com.

Reading thru some of your quotes makes good reading. Many of those, if not all, are trying to make an argument from passages that do not relate to one another. I could find all kinds of contradictions in the Bible if I want to try and relate 2 passages that are not compatable or even related in subject.

Reading from the Bible would probably be more meaningful to me compared to you....right?

Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No one has been "indoctrinating" me throughout life. My Christian beliefs have been a lifelong process for me.....and it will continue throughout my life.

......"absurdity, myth and contradiction" are what you believe......fine. You can cherry-pick any passage from the Bible that you want, people can get many different answer, beliefs and arguments from the same passage.

Like I said, my faith is a lifelong journey.


interesting source of your quotes....evilbible.com.

Reading thru some of your quotes makes good reading. Many of those, if not all, are trying to make an argument from passages that do not relate to one another. I could find all kinds of contradictions in the Bible if I want to try and relate 2 passages that are not compatable or even related in subject.

Reading from the Bible would probably be more meaningful to me compared to you....right?

D1B wrote:

Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No one has been "indoctrinating" me throughout life. My Christian beliefs have been a lifelong process for me.....and it will continue throughout my life.

......"absurdity, myth and contradiction" are what you believe......fine. You can cherry-pick any passage from the Bible that you want, people can get many different answer, beliefs and arguments from the same passage.

Like I said, my faith is a lifelong journey.

Uhhh, yes they have. It may be a journey, but you're still driving the car your parents gave you for the trip.

Your faith, first and foremost is the result of where you were born. If you were born in Iran, you'd be a muslim.

You seem like a pretty reasonable person. The only way reasonable people accept contradiction and absurdity as fact, is if they're brainwashed or indoctrinated from birth.

D1B wrote:

Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No one has been "indoctrinating" me throughout life. My Christian beliefs have been a lifelong process for me.....and it will continue throughout my life.

......"absurdity, myth and contradiction" are what you believe......fine. You can cherry-pick any passage from the Bible that you want, people can get many different answer, beliefs and arguments from the same passage.

Like I said, my faith is a lifelong journey.


interesting source of your quotes....evilbible.com.

Reading thru some of your quotes makes good reading. Many of those, if not all, are trying to make an argument from passages that do not relate to one another. I could find all kinds of contradictions in the Bible if I want to try and relate 2 passages that are not compatable or even related in subject.

Reading from the Bible would probably be more meaningful to me compared to you....right?

It would be more meaningful to you because you've been dog trained to believe its premises, without questioning. MOF, its a great sin in your religion to seek knowledge outside the church and question things.

Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:

D1B wrote:
It would be more meaningful to you because you've been dog trained to believe its premises, without questioning. MOF, its a great sin in your religion to seek knowledge outside the church and question things.

I have never read a passage that says this specifically.

I question a wide variety of subjects and reading the Bible answers many of them...not all, but many.

Why do you think there are some many different "Christian" churches? Groups get different meanings from the same Bibical text.

Roman Catholics believe they will go to heaven by the good deads they do here......I believe in God's grace and faith in him thru Jesus is the passage to Heaven.

D1B wrote:
4. Keep in mind, Jesus supposedly walked the earth only 2000 years ago. What about the previous 150,000 years of human history? Too bad I guess.

Cluck U wrote:

D1B wrote:
4. Keep in mind, Jesus supposedly walked the earth only 2000 years ago. What about the previous 150,000 years of human history? Too bad I guess.

God let them all in...but he was getting pretty bored so he moved the chains.

D1B wrote:

Cluck U wrote:
God let them all in...but he was getting pretty bored so he moved the chains.

It's a valid question. What kind of god denies billions of people the opportunity for salvation? And that fucked up plan to clone himself 125,000 years later and appear in the most ignorant, barely populated, unknown, backward ass, illiterate region on earth? If he was smart, he would have revealed himself in a place like China where there were millions and millions of the most literate people at the time who could have spread the word with greater care, speed and accuracy.

Chizzang wrote:Religion is not science or logic...
Denouncing religion because of what it Isn't..?

Keep in mind that religion is not a system of logical observation and classification to deduce truth.
Rather, religion is a mindset and belief filter that affects how one views the world.

There should be a book or set of clauses on "What not to expect" in a religious argument...
Since the real intent of any religions argument is to demonstrate that religion is not logically sound or scientifically defensible. This is true, but it is not a death knell for religion, nor does it signal the end of faith for those who choose to "believe" whatever Religion they are defending. There are a few VALID things in this world that are not subject to logic or scientific inquiry (beauty, Art, philosophy, etc.) Religion belongs to this category.

In summary:
Religion is not Science
Religion is not logical
Nor observable or defensible with science or logic



If you're looking for someone to defend Religion they can only do so in the same way one might defend Art

Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:

Vidav wrote:
So which of the four gospels do you believe is the correct one?

I believe they are all correct.

Each was intended for a specific audience:

Matthew: Jews
Mark: Gentiles new in their faith
Luke: Gentiles becoming complacent
John: Jews, Gentiles and some Samaritans

I took the original post as something different....meaning, believing in his word.

Chizzang wrote:If you're looking for someone to defend Religion they can only do so in the same way one might defend Art

D1B wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Religion is not science or logic...
Denouncing religion because of what it Isn't..?

Keep in mind that religion is not a system of logical observation and classification to deduce truth.
Rather, religion is a mindset and belief filter that affects how one views the world.

There should be a book or set of clauses on "What not to expect" in a religious argument...
Since the real intent of any religions argument is to demonstrate that religion is not logically sound or scientifically defensible. This is true, but it is not a death knell for religion, nor does it signal the end of faith for those who choose to "believe" whatever Religion they are defending. There are a few VALID things in this world that are not subject to logic or scientific inquiry (beauty, Art, philosophy, etc.) Religion belongs to this category.

In summary:
Religion is not Science
Religion is not logical
Nor observable or defensible with science or logic



If you're looking for someone to defend Religion they can only do so in the same way one might defend Art

Bullshit, Religion is a bad idea and THE driving force behind several forms of bigotry including the brutal repression of woman. Religion claims be THE moral and ethical authority. Therefore, if one wants to take a serious shot at ending hatred against gays and improve the lives of women, they should be relentless critics of religion.

Quit underestimating the threat religion poses to humanity and quit being an apolgist.

D1B wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Religion is not science or logic...
Denouncing religion because of what it Isn't..?

Keep in mind that religion is not a system of logical observation and classification to deduce truth.
Rather, religion is a mindset and belief filter that affects how one views the world.

There should be a book or set of clauses on "What not to expect" in a religious argument...
Since the real intent of any religions argument is to demonstrate that religion is not logically sound or scientifically defensible. This is true, but it is not a death knell for religion, nor does it signal the end of faith for those who choose to "believe" whatever Religion they are defending. There are a few VALID things in this world that are not subject to logic or scientific inquiry (beauty, Art, philosophy, etc.) Religion belongs to this category.

In summary:
Religion is not Science
Religion is not logical
Nor observable or defensible with science or logic



If you're looking for someone to defend Religion they can only do so in the same way one might defend Art

Bullshit, Religion is a bad idea and THE driving force behind several forms of bigotry including the brutal repression of woman. Religion claims be THE moral and ethical authority. Therefore, if one wants to take a serious shot at ending hatred against gays and improve the lives of women, they should be relentless critics of religion.

Quit underestimating the threat religion poses to humanity and quit being an apolgist.

Chizzang wrote:

D1B wrote:
Bullshit, Religion is a bad idea and THE driving force behind several forms of bigotry including the brutal repression of woman. Religion claims be THE moral and ethical authority. Therefore, if one wants to take a serious shot at ending hatred against gays and improve the lives of women, they should be relentless critics of religion.

Quit underestimating the threat religion poses to humanity and quit being an apolgist.

Me saying that Religion isn't science is not saying Religion gets a free pass
Did you even read my post..?
Do you even understand it..?
I'm saying Religion doesn't stand up to scientific evaluation
It's that same as art or perhaps even unfounded theory - how is that apologetic..?

Only hateful small minded humans are against equality (of any kind)
I embrace human rights / Women's Rights / Homosexual Rights / You name it... Equal rights for all

That said:
Nothing about my previous post changes - at all - can you understand that..?