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GOP/Dem working to cut farm subsidies

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:44 am
by Ibanez
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/14/politics/ ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Senate is debating a farm bill that would end those payments, which have been in place in one form or another since the Great Depression.

The legislation was put together by Senate Agriculture Chairwoman Debbie Stabenow, a Democrat, and Sen. Pat Roberts, the top Republican on the committee.
According to the Congressional Budget Office, the farm bill will cut $23.6 billion in spending over 10 years.

"$23.6 billion to the deficit. Now some people think that's not enough. Some people think that's too much. But we voluntarily came forward. The super committee didn't do that. No other authorizing committee has done that," Roberts said.
It's a good start. $23.6 billion is a good start, especially if that money goes towards reducing deficit or some other greater cause.

Re: GOP/Dem working to cut farm subsidies

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:51 am
by andy7171
this is one of MENSA's favorite subjects. It just might be the topic that gets him to post again since the 6.93 debacle

Re: GOP/Dem working to cut farm subsidies

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:08 am
by Ivytalk
Good start. Now let's go after sugar subsidies and other big-dollar items.

Re: GOP/Dem working to cut farm subsidies

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:15 am
by Wedgebuster
Ivytalk wrote:Good start. Now let's go after sugar subsidies and other big-dollar items.
Sweet.

Re: GOP/Dem working to cut farm subsidies

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:19 am
by Ibanez
Ivytalk wrote:Good start. Now let's go after sugar subsidies and other big-dollar items.
I think this is an excellent start that should be taken seriously. Ending this, oil and even certain levels of foreign aid are good starts. Of course, our spending has to change. We need to serioulsy reform the tax code and entitlement benefits among other things.

Re: GOP/Dem working to cut farm subsidies

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:45 am
by UNI88
This is long overdue but it is a good start.

I have no problem with Congress deciding to subsidize New England dairy production even if it's less efficient than Wisconsin dairy production (I don't know if it really is I'm just using it as an example) because they make the strategic decision that the U.S. needs dairy production closer to the population centers of the northeast in case of a major catastrophe/crisis.

I do have a problem with subsidizing something like corn ethanol production simply because it tactically benefits their district and probably more importantly increases their campaign contributions.

Re: GOP/Dem working to cut farm subsidies

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:53 am
by Ibanez
UNI88 wrote:This is long overdue but it is a good start.

I have no problem with Congress deciding to subsidize New England dairy production even if it's less efficient than Wisconsin dairy production (I don't know if it really is I'm just using it as an example) because they make the strategic decision that the U.S. needs dairy production closer to the population centers of the northeast in case of a major catastrophe/crisis.

I do have a problem with subsidizing something like corn ethanol production simply because it tactically benefits their district and probably more importantly increases their campaign contributions.
There was a 500 acre farm in a town called Dorchester. It was subdivided and sold off so the family could pay bills. ALl that remain of the initial 500 is 150 acres. A friend of mine bought 20 acres. A few years ago, he bought another 19. He has never farmed it YET he receives the farm payments. The original farm hasn't operated in over 20 years, yet the gov't continues to give money to the new owners, most of who don't farm. If this happens in small, Dorchester SC, i'm sure it happens in thousands of other towns. :twocents:

Re: GOP/Dem working to cut farm subsidies

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:58 am
by Wedgebuster
No the fight here really is funding food stamps. As far as the big ticket items out there, you have to look at who it benefits, cuts in the sugar subsidy etc are not likely, conks are looking to whack the farm bill, but not at the expense of their political capital, they are going after the food stamp recipients instead, nothing for them to lose there.

:coffee:

Re: GOP/Dem working to cut farm subsidies

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:22 am
by UNI88
Wedgebuster wrote:No the fight here really is funding food stamps. As far as the big ticket items out there, you have to look at who it benefits, cuts in the sugar subsidy etc are not likely, conks are looking to whack the farm bill, but not at the expense of their political capital, they are going after the food stamp recipients instead, nothing for them to lose there.

:coffee:
And the donks aren't doing the same thing from the other perspective? Or is their self-serving hypocrisy ok because they have truth & justice on their side? :kisswink:

Re: GOP/Dem working to cut farm subsidies

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:26 am
by Wedgebuster
UNI88 wrote:
Wedgebuster wrote:No the fight here really is funding food stamps. As far as the big ticket items out there, you have to look at who it benefits, cuts in the sugar subsidy etc are not likely, conks are looking to whack the farm bill, but not at the expense of their political capital, they are going after the food stamp recipients instead, nothing for them to lose there.

:coffee:
And the donks aren't doing the same thing from the other perspective? Or is their self-serving hypocrisy ok because they have truth & justice on their side? :kisswink:
However you want to twirl it skidmore, them's the facts. :nutkick:

Re: GOP/Dem working to cut farm subsidies

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:27 pm
by UNI88
Wedgebuster wrote:
UNI88 wrote:
And the donks aren't doing the same thing from the other perspective? Or is their self-serving hypocrisy ok because they have truth & justice on their side? :kisswink:
However you want to twirl it skidmore, them's the facts. :nutkick:
So we agree, conk and donk politicians are self-serving hypocrites who believe they have truth & justice on their side.

and I love the emoticon of politicians kicking taxpayers in the nuts ... :nutkick:
:D

Re: GOP/Dem working to cut farm subsidies

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:52 pm
by BDKJMU
Wedgebuster wrote:No the fight here really is funding food stamps. As far as the big ticket items out there, you have to look at who it benefits, cuts in the sugar subsidy etc are not likely, conks are looking to whack the farm bill, but not at the expense of their political capital, they are going after the food stamp recipients instead, nothing for them to lose there.

:coffee:
As well they should. Just read in today's WSJ:

"Food Stamp Fiasco
The Senate refuses to cut $20 billion out of $770 billion.


The next time someone moans about Washington "austerity," tell them about the Senate's food stamp votes on Tuesday. Democrats and a few Republicans united to block even modest reform in a welfare program that has exploded in the last decade and is set to spend $770 billion in the next 10 years.

Yes, $770 billion on a single program. And you wonder why the U.S. had its credit-rating downgraded?

When the food stamp program began in the 1970s, it was designed to help about 1 of 50 Americans who were in severe financial distress. But thanks to eligibility changes first by President George W. Bush as part of the 2002 farm bill and then by President Obama in the 2008 stimulus, food stamps are becoming the latest middle-class entitlement.

A record 44.7 million people received food stamps in fiscal 2011, up from 28.2 million as recently as 2008. The cost has more than doubled in that same period, to $78 billion, and is on track to account for 78% of farm bill spending over the next decade. One in seven Americans now qualifies.

Once there was a stigma to going on the dole, and it was seen as a last resort. But now the Agriculture Department runs radio and TV ads prodding people to get the free food, as in a recent campaign that says food stamps will help you lose weight. A federal website boasts about strategies that have "increased program participation" with special emphasis on Hispanics because "our data show that many low-income Latinos simply don't apply for [food stamps] even though they're eligible."

In the 1990s Bill Clinton boasted that welfare reform took Americans off the dole. The Obama Administration boasts about how many it has added.

Enter Alabama Republican Jeff Sessions, who proposed reforms to limit the worst excesses. One proposal would have established a federal asset test to ensure that food stamps aren't going to families that may not have an income but have tens of thousands of dollars in savings or may even live in a million-dollar home. Some 39 states have no real asset test for food stamps, which means wealthy families without anyone in the job market are eligible, and 27 have gross-income limits that are above 130% of the federal poverty guidelines.

That amendment lost 56-43, with every Democrat except Missouri's Claire McCaskill opposing it. New England Republicans Scott Brown, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe and Nevada's Dean Heller joined the antireformers.

Mr. Sessions also tried to end the preposterous federal policy of paying some $500 million in bonuses to states that sign up more people for food stamps. This is the way government becomes a permanent feedback loop promoting even bigger government. That amendment lost 58-41, with every self-described Democratic "deficit hawk" opposed.

Still to come is an amendment on another egregious practice that lets some 15 states automatically enroll families for food stamps if they get federal home-heating subsidies. Some states mail heating subsidy checks of as little as $1 a month so families can qualify for federal food stamp benefits of as much as $130 a month. That amendment too is expected to fail.

It's true that the recession and feeble recovery have expanded the number of people who need food assistance, but Mr. Sessions's reforms would have harmed no one who really needs help. His amendments would have saved at most some $20 billion over 10 years, which would still leave some three-quarters of a trillion dollars in outlays.

Earlier this year, House Republicans passed their own food stamp reform that will save some $34 billion over a decade. That bill will now go to a House-Senate farm bill conference, and perhaps some savings can be salvaged. But the news in the Senate vote is that the political class still isn't remotely serious about reforming government. The voters are going to have to clean out a lot more spenders in November if they want real change."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... _opinion_2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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