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And don't think folks around here are all that happy about it.

Yep, oil and gas production are at an all-time high under the anti-industry socialist Obama, with Shell about to get permission to drill in the Arctic.

Gas prices in Phoenix are still around $3.60/gallon. Down slightly, but nothing to go ga-ga over.

AZGrizFan wrote:Gas prices in Phoenix are still around $3.60/gallon. Down slightly, but nothing to go ga-ga over.

About like here then. Those east coast bias bastages say they are under three bucks now, WTF?

Wedgebuster wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:Gas prices in Phoenix are still around $3.60/gallon. Down slightly, but nothing to go ga-ga over.

About like here then. Those east coast bias bastages say they are under three bucks now, WTF?

Fuckin' ECB.

Rape the West and it's resources for the benefit of the east coast bastages.

AZGrizFan wrote:

Wedgebuster wrote:
About like here then. Those east coast bias bastages say they are under three bucks now, WTF?

Fuckin' ECB.

Rape the West and it's resources for the benefit of the east coast bastages.

To paraphrase the great Stephen Malkmus of Pavement fame, "man made deltas and concrete rivers, the east takes what the west delivers..."

Grizalltheway wrote:Yep, oil and gas production are at an all-time high under the anti-industry socialist Obama, with Shell about to get permission to drill in the Arctic.

It's not an all time high. It's an 8 year high (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/0 ... ?mobile=nc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). That's kind of like saying I feel better than I have in the past week. Obviously, if we are talking about the highest production level in the past 8 years, there were probably points during the previous administration when it was higher. And, as has been repeatedly pointed out, ithe fact that it's at an 8 year high is not because of Obama because the increase in production is due to production on private lands. Obama deserves no credit...none...for the fact that production is at (whoopie) an 8 year high.

So it's the highest it's been for 8 years under circumstances where we won't let people fully exploit what we have. Whoopdie doo.

Oil prices go up and down based on various factors. Right not they're in a downward trend because speculators think the world economy for the near term future, is screwed.

Don't get me wrong. I'm glad they're going somewhat down instead of somewhat up. But I think they'd be somewhat more down if we had a political apparatus that was more oil friendly and was doing things like drilling in ANWAR and fully exploiting our offshore resources as well as our shale resources.

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1.78 National average on the day he took office

This gang in office doesn't have a clue

Salazar: 'No one knows' if US headed to $9/gal gas
The Examiner ^ | 4/24/12 | Joel Gehrke


Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said that "no one knows" if gasoline prices in the United States will reach $9 per gallon, and acknowledged that the possibility is outside his control.

"I don't think anyone can speculate what will happen with respect to oil prices and gas prices because they are set on the global economy," Salazar told reporters when asked if gas prices could reach $9 per gallon, as they have been in Greece. "Where it will all end, no one knows.

He explained that "what we see happening today are the influences first of unrest in places like the Middle East and Iran, which disrupt the markets and allow the futures markets to play on some of what they see [in] the unrest around the world; and secondly the huge demand that you've started seeing in places like China, India and Brazil."


(Excerpt) Read more at campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com ...

Grizalltheway wrote:Yep, oil and gas production are at an all-time on private lands high under the anti-industry socialist Obama. On public lands its way down, with Shell about to get permission to drill in the Arctic not until 2014-2015 after Obama in 10' overturned the Artic leases that Bush had previously granted.

FIFY

"President Obama’s new offshore drilling plan opens up some new areas for oil and gas exploration but also cancels some Alaska lease sales planned for the next two years, putting billions of barrels of oil out of reach for now......

......Mr. Salazar acknowledged that the new plan cancels five potential lease sales that had been scheduled to go forward in the next two years, saying there are “unanswered questions” about the environmental impact of drilling in the Chukchi and Beaufort seas in Alaska.

“It was my view that we needed to cancel the leases under the old Bush plan and move forward with the kind of scientific gathering that will give us the answers to some key questions,” he said.

He said they left the door open for more science to consider drilling in those areas in the future.

The Institute for Energy Research, an industry-backed think tank, said the areas with canceled leases could hold up to 77 billion barrels of oil, or more than three times the country’s total proven reserves.............."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... it/?page=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Obama doesn't get credit for reinstating lease that he canceled a couple of yrs ago.

So let me get this straight, when gas prices are going up, it's Obama's fault. But when they go down, he gets no credit. Typical party bias, same with the dems under Bush. You party hacks sicken me.

Seahawks08 wrote:So let me get this straight, when gas prices are going up, it's Obama's fault. But when they go down, he gets no credit. Typical party bias, same with the dems under Bush. You party hacks sicken me.

This is all relative. Go back a few posts to where the price of gas was when President Obama took office. Depending on where you are, prices are AT LEAST double what they were then, despite the relative slackening in recent weeks.

THAT is what he is being blamed for. And it's exacerbated by his "I don't care about you" attitude about this.

Yeah, because the global economy/issues and speculators have NOTHING to do with gas prices at all. When in doubt, BLAME the president.

Interesting, when Bush was president and lifted the drilling moratorium the Donks said it didn't matter and wouldn't make a difference because it would take 5-10 years for that oil to hit the market. Now that we are entering that 5-10 year window the same Donks say we can all thank Obama because oil and gas production is at an all time high and for driving down gas prices.

Baldy wrote:Interesting, when Bush was president and lifted the drilling moratorium the Donks said it didn't matter and wouldn't make a difference because it would take 5-10 years for that oil to hit the market. Now that we are entering that 5-10 year window the same Donks say we can all thank Obama because oil and gas production is at an all time high and for driving down gas prices.

Funny. I heard Rush Limbaugh say that, just today!

$3.75 yesterday, been high for a long time.

Up or down, I think the President gets way too much credit for gas prices.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2012 ... latestnews" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Crude tumbled below $80 a barrel on Thursday for the first time since last fall in yet another stark display of diminished global growth prospects and overflowing supplies of crude.

While consumers will understandably cheer the cooler oil prices, as they translate to moderating costs at the pump, the selloff from the February highs doesn’t paint a pretty picture about the economy.

“It’s a bitter sweet pill for the consumer,” said Stephen Schork, editor of the Schork Report. “The only reason we’ve gotten down to this level is because the (economic) outlook over the next six to 12 months is absolutely grim.”


Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2012 ... z1ySrGEUrv" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yeah. It's Obama's energy policies alright.

Wedgebuster wrote:viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30759

And don't think folks around here are all that happy about it.

I don't think you'll have to dig very deep to find most of us don't believe the prez has a lot to do with gas prices up or down. I think I made the point sometime back that a president's energy policy can help establish an environment for speculation but it really comes down to supply and demand. I didn't blame Bush or Obama for $4 gas just as I don't credit him for $2.93 gas. I'm not saying he won't take credit for it as it falls, however......

AZGrizFan wrote:Gas prices in Phoenix are still around $3.60/gallon. Down slightly, but nothing to go ga-ga over.

$4.09 for regular up here in the Seattle area.

So let me get this straight, when gas prices are going up, it's Obama's fault. But when they go down, he gets no credit. Typical party bias, same with the dems under Bush. You party hacks sicken me.

I wouldn't expect you to have noticed because there are a lot of people who post on these boards but I have never said stuff like that. In fact my position has always been that I think people make a mistake when they decide who they are going to vote for for President based on what the economy is doing, what gas prices are, etc., because no President has a whole lot of control over such things. Also, what's going on with the economy (in my opinion) is not what's most important.

But I do think gas prices would be somewhat lower if the United States would get off the pot and fully exploit all of it energy resources. I think that with advancing technology we've reached a point where, when non traditional sources such as shale are included, the United States has more oil reserves than Saudi Arabia does. And we've got lots of coal and natural gas too. The argument that the United States doesn't have enough to effect the world market has, I think, been rendered obsolete. No longer has any credibility at all. It'd take more than changing a President to do get the US to fully exploit what it has though. You'd have to get the Republicans into a super majority in the Senate in addition to being a majority in the House.

But I do think gas prices would be somewhat lower if the United States would get off the pot and fully exploit all of it energy resources. I think that with advancing technology we've reached a point where, when non traditional sources such as shale are included, the United States has more oil reserves than Saudi Arabia does. And we've got lots of coal and natural gas too. The argument that the United States doesn't have enough to effect the world market has, I think, been rendered obsolete. No longer has any credibility at all. It'd take more than changing a President to do get the US to fully exploit what it has though. You'd have to get the Republicans into a super majority in the Senate in addition to being a majority in the House.

AKA Fuck the environment!

Seahawks08 wrote:Yeah, because the global economy/issues and speculators have NOTHING to do with gas prices at all. When in doubt, BLAME the president.

Or in Obama's case, blame the former president.

AZGrizFan wrote:

Seahawks08 wrote:Yeah, because the global economy/issues and speculators have NOTHING to do with gas prices at all. When in doubt, BLAME the president.

Or in Obama's case, blame the former president.

Good one AZ. Yeah, fucking Bush is causing gas prices to go down!

JohnStOnge wrote:

So let me get this straight, when gas prices are going up, it's Obama's fault. But when they go down, he gets no credit. Typical party bias, same with the dems under Bush. You party hacks sicken me.

I wouldn't expect you to have noticed because there are a lot of people who post on these boards but I have never said stuff like that. In fact my position has always been that I think people make a mistake when they decide who they are going to vote for for President based on what the economy is doing, what gas prices are, etc., because no President has a whole lot of control over such things. Also, what's going on with the economy (in my opinion) is not what's most important.

But I do think gas prices would be somewhat lower if the United States would get off the pot and fully exploit all of it energy resources. I think that with advancing technology we've reached a point where, when non traditional sources such as shale are included, the United States has more oil reserves than Saudi Arabia does. And we've got lots of coal and natural gas too. The argument that the United States doesn't have enough to effect the world market has, I think, been rendered obsolete. No longer has any credibility at all. It'd take more than changing a President to do get the US to fully exploit what it has though. You'd have to get the Republicans into a super majority in the Senate in addition to being a majority in the House.

I think you mean all of it's petroleum based energy based sources. If we were at all serious we would have noticed by now that we get 3900% more sunlight than Germany but they have 600% more solar capacity than we do. Even though Americans are traditionally not good when it comes to thinking about big picture stuff, say anything further than the next quarterly earnings report, we might ought to notice that the Germans are going big on the industry and since they routinely beat our economic asses with metronomic precision we might want to do like the Chinese and copy the German designs that we should be able to produce cheaper than them because they have union labor....

On the oil side, some people are confusing drilling with refining, John. There is plenty crude available, the bottleneck is the refining stage, where the profits are concentrated. The beauty of the system is that the oil companies can keep supply down and demand up, and if anybody squawks they can blame it on the vast political power of the tie-dyes and tree huggers who won't let those poor fellows build more refineries. And now those pinko bastages are kicking about having the nations ground water poisoned by fracking....effing ingrates think they're entitled to clean water...

houndawg wrote: I think you mean all of it's petroleum based energy based sources. If we were at all serious we would have noticed by now that we get 3900% more sunlight than Germany but they have 600% more solar capacity than we do. Even though Americans are traditionally not good when it comes to thinking about big picture stuff, say anything further than the next quarterly earnings report, we might ought to notice that the Germans are going big on the industry and since they routinely beat our economic asses with metronomic precision we might want to do like the Chinese and copy the German designs that we should be able to produce cheaper than them because they have union labor....

Major props to the German solar industry.

Eastern Germany Hit Hard by Decline of Solar

"The global solar industry has entered a brutal phase of consolidation and nowhere are the effects as dramatic as in eastern Germany. Several companies have already declared bankruptcy, leaving towns and cities in the region struggling with job losses and tax revenue shortfalls. The future bodes ill.

The sun, it was said, was going to save Frankfurt an der Oder, a city of 60,000 on the Polish border. After years of post-reunification economic doldrums, whose nadir came with the 2003 failure of a much-ballyhooed microchip factory project, the burgeoning German solar industry took an interest in the down-on-its-luck city.

In 2006, solar-panel manufacturer Conergy moved into the never-used computer chip factory, joining Odersun, already headquartered in the city. In 2007, the United States solar giant First Solar opened a factory as well, followed by a second one last year.

Now, though, the future suddenly looks decidedly dark. Odersun declared bankruptcy in March and Conergy, while pledging to return to profit this year, has seen its share price lose 99.6 percent of its value in the last five years. Many doubt the company will survive. Worst of all, however, was the announcement earlier this month that First Solar was closing both of its factories in Frankfurt an der Oder; 1,200 people will soon be jobless as a result."

On the oil side, some people are confusing drilling with refining, John. There is plenty crude available, the bottleneck is the refining stage, where the profits are concentrated. The beauty of the system is that the oil companies can keep supply down and demand up, and if anybody squawks they can blame it on the vast political power of the tie-dyes and tree huggers who won't let those poor fellows build more refineries. And now those pinko bastages are kicking about having the nations ground water poisoned by fracking....effing ingrates think they're entitled to clean water...

You do know that the anti-fracking movie "Gasland" where people's tap water was "mysteriously" catching on fire was a hoax, correct?