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As many as 80 House Democrats are communists, according to Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.).

West warned constituents at a Tuesday town hall event that he's "heard" that dozens of his Democratic colleagues in the House are members of the Communist Party, the Palm Beach Post reported. West wouldn't elaborate beyond that, however, and didn't offer up any names.

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Let's see that list, moron.

Or is this the typical pull shit outta your ass that you always do.



And sadly, the idiots in his district believe him.

Have another scotch, McCarthy Jr.

dbackjon wrote:As many as 80 House Democrats are communists, according to Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.).

West warned constituents at a Tuesday town hall event that he's "heard" that dozens of his Democratic colleagues in the House are members of the Communist Party, the Palm Beach Post reported. West wouldn't elaborate beyond that, however, and didn't offer up any names.

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In Oct. 2009 the Democratic Socialists of America released the names of current members of Congress who are members of the organization. This is probably what West is talking about. The names released were as follows:

Co-Chairs

Hon. Raúl M. Grijalva (AZ-07)
Hon. Lynn Woolsey (CA-06)

Vice Chairs

Hon. Diane Watson (CA-33)
Hon. Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18)
Hon. Mazie Hirono (HI-02)
Hon. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)

Senate Members

Hon. Bernie Sanders (VT)

House Members

Hon. Neil Abercrombie (HI-01)
Hon. Tammy Baldwin (WI-02)
Hon. Xavier Becerra (CA-31)
Hon. Madeleine Bordallo (GU-AL)
Hon. Robert Brady (PA-01)
Hon. Corrine Brown (FL-03)
Hon. Michael Capuano (MA-08)
Hon. André Carson (IN-07)
Hon. Donna Christensen (VI-AL)
Hon. Yvette Clarke (NY-11)
Hon. William “Lacy” Clay (MO-01)
Hon. Emanuel Cleaver (MO-05)
Hon. Steve Cohen (TN-09)
Hon. John Conyers (MI-14)
Hon. Elijah Cummings (MD-07)
Hon. Danny Davis (IL-07)
Hon. Peter DeFazio (OR-04)
Hon. Rosa DeLauro (CT-03)
Rep. Donna F. Edwards (MD-04)
Hon. Keith Ellison (MN-05)
Hon. Sam Farr (CA-17)
Hon. Chaka Fattah (PA-02)
Hon. Bob Filner (CA-51)
Hon. Barney Frank (MA-04)
Hon. Marcia L. Fudge (OH-11)
Hon. Alan Grayson (FL-08)
Hon. Luis Gutierrez (IL-04)
Hon. John Hall (NY-19)
Hon. Phil Hare (IL-17)
Hon. Maurice Hinchey (NY-22)
Hon. Michael Honda (CA-15)
Hon. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-02)
Hon. Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30)
Hon. Hank Johnson (GA-04)
Hon. Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)
Hon. Carolyn Kilpatrick (MI-13)
Hon. Barbara Lee (CA-09)
Hon. John Lewis (GA-05)
Hon. David Loebsack (IA-02)
Hon. Ben R. Lujan (NM-3)
Hon. Carolyn Maloney (NY-14)
Hon. Ed Markey (MA-07)
Hon. Jim McDermott (WA-07)
Hon. James McGovern (MA-03)
Hon. George Miller (CA-07)
Hon. Gwen Moore (WI-04)
Hon. Jerrold Nadler (NY-08)
Hon. Eleanor Holmes-Norton (DC-AL)
Hon. John Olver (MA-01)
Hon. Ed Pastor (AZ-04)
Hon. Donald Payne (NJ-10)
Hon. Chellie Pingree (ME-01)
Hon. Charles Rangel (NY-15)
Hon. Laura Richardson (CA-37)
Hon. Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34)
Hon. Bobby Rush (IL-01)
Hon. Linda Sánchez (CA-47)
Hon. Jan Schakowsky (IL-09)
Hon. José Serrano (NY-16)
Hon. Louise Slaughter (NY-28)
Hon. Pete Stark (CA-13)
Hon. Bennie Thompson (MS-02)
Hon. John Tierney (MA-06)
Hon. Nydia Velazquez (NY-12)
Hon. Maxine Waters (CA-35)
Hon. Mel Watt (NC-12)
Hon. Henry Waxman (CA-30)
Hon. Peter Welch (VT-AL)
Hon. Robert Wexler (FL-19)

I think his numbers are a bit off. Typically Democrat = Communist.

Dback & Gayalltheway = Racists.

AZGrizFan wrote:Dback & Gayalltheway = Racists.

CitadelGrad wrote:

dbackjon wrote:As many as 80 House Democrats are communists, according to Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.).

West warned constituents at a Tuesday town hall event that he's "heard" that dozens of his Democratic colleagues in the House are members of the Communist Party, the Palm Beach Post reported. West wouldn't elaborate beyond that, however, and didn't offer up any names.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/1 ... 17279.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In Oct. 2009 the Democratic Socialists of America released the names of current members of Congress who are members of the organization. This is probably what West is talking about. The names released were as follows:

Co-Chairs

Hon. Raúl M. Grijalva (AZ-07)
Hon. Lynn Woolsey (CA-06)

Vice Chairs

Hon. Diane Watson (CA-33)
Hon. Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18)
Hon. Mazie Hirono (HI-02)
Hon. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)
Senate Members

Hon. Bernie Sanders (VT)

House Members

Hon. Neil Abercrombie (HI-01)
Hon. Tammy Baldwin (WI-02)
Hon. Xavier Becerra (CA-31)
Hon. Madeleine Bordallo (GU-AL)
Hon. Robert Brady (PA-01)
Hon. Corrine Brown (FL-03)
Hon. Michael Capuano (MA-08)
Hon. André Carson (IN-07)
Hon. Donna Christensen (VI-AL)
Hon. Yvette Clarke (NY-11)
Hon. William “Lacy” Clay (MO-01)
Hon. Emanuel Cleaver (MO-05)
Hon. Steve Cohen (TN-09)
Hon. John Conyers (MI-14)
Hon. Elijah Cummings (MD-07)
Hon. Danny Davis (IL-07)
Hon. Peter DeFazio (OR-04)
Hon. Rosa DeLauro (CT-03)
Rep. Donna F. Edwards (MD-04)
Hon. Keith Ellison (MN-05)
Hon. Sam Farr (CA-17)
Hon. Chaka Fattah (PA-02)
Hon. Bob Filner (CA-51)
Hon. Barney Frank (MA-04)
Hon. Marcia L. Fudge (OH-11)
Hon. Alan Grayson (FL-08)
Hon. Luis Gutierrez (IL-04)
Hon. John Hall (NY-19)
Hon. Phil Hare (IL-17)
Hon. Maurice Hinchey (NY-22)
Hon. Michael Honda (CA-15)
Hon. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-02)
Hon. Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30)
Hon. Hank Johnson (GA-04)
Hon. Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)
Hon. Carolyn Kilpatrick (MI-13)
Hon. Barbara Lee (CA-09)
Hon. John Lewis (GA-05)
Hon. David Loebsack (IA-02)
Hon. Ben R. Lujan (NM-3)
Hon. Carolyn Maloney (NY-14)
Hon. Ed Markey (MA-07)
Hon. Jim McDermott (WA-07)
Hon. James McGovern (MA-03)
Hon. George Miller (CA-07)
Hon. Gwen Moore (WI-04)
Hon. Jerrold Nadler (NY-08)
Hon. Eleanor Holmes-Norton (DC-AL)
Hon. John Olver (MA-01)
Hon. Ed Pastor (AZ-04)
Hon. Donald Payne (NJ-10)
Hon. Chellie Pingree (ME-01)
Hon. Charles Rangel (NY-15)
Hon. Laura Richardson (CA-37)
Hon. Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34)
Hon. Bobby Rush (IL-01)
Hon. Linda Sánchez (CA-47)
Hon. Jan Schakowsky (IL-09)
Hon. José Serrano (NY-16)
Hon. Louise Slaughter (NY-28)
Hon. Pete Stark (CA-13)
Hon. Bennie Thompson (MS-02)
Hon. John Tierney (MA-06)
Hon. Nydia Velazquez (NY-12)
Hon. Maxine Waters (CA-35)
Hon. Mel Watt (NC-12)
Hon. Henry Waxman (CA-30)
Hon. Peter Welch (VT-AL)
Hon. Robert Wexler (FL-19)

Why am I not surprised?

Cuz you're a dumbfuck.

Again, Conks deny it, but we ARE a socialist country and we always will be. The corporate market world has failed in its lame attempts (mostly for attention) to do any social good, so more and more has become the responsibility of the government, hence, an increase in what many call socialism. Conks need to embrace socialism and see what they can do to work within the system instead of fighting it and making everyone suffer even more. Socialism is not the enemy, capitalism is.

Cap'n Cat wrote:Cuz you're a ****.

Again, Conks deny it, but we ARE a socialist country and we always will be. The corporate market world has failed in its lame attempts (mostly for attention) to do any social good, so more and more has become the responsibility of the government, hence, an increase in what many call socialism. Conks need to embrace socialism and see what they can do to work within the system instead of fighting it and making everyone suffer even more. Socialism is not the enemy, capitalism is.

Spoken like someone who's never held a job for more than 6.93 minutes.

Ivytalk wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:Cuz you're a ****.

Again, Conks deny it, but we ARE a socialist country and we always will be. The corporate market world has failed in its lame attempts (mostly for attention) to do any social good, so more and more has become the responsibility of the government, hence, an increase in what many call socialism. Conks need to embrace socialism and see what they can do to work within the system instead of fighting it and making everyone suffer even more. Socialism is not the enemy, capitalism is.

Spoken like someone who's never held a job for more than 6.93 minutes.

Damn, Ivy, who pissed in your coffee!?

dbackjon wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:Dback & Gayalltheway = Racists.

Hey, it's just politics, right?

Ivytalk wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:Cuz you're a ****.

Again, Conks deny it, but we ARE a socialist country and we always will be. The corporate market world has failed in its lame attempts (mostly for attention) to do any social good, so more and more has become the responsibility of the government, hence, an increase in what many call socialism. Conks need to embrace socialism and see what they can do to work within the system instead of fighting it and making everyone suffer even more. Socialism is not the enemy, capitalism is.

Spoken like someone who's never held a job for more than 6.93 minutes.

I've been with same business for 23 years and Cappy's right. We are a mixed economy and West is a Douche with a capital R.

Conks need to embrace socialism and see what they can do to work within the system instead of fighting it and making everyone suffer even more. Socialism is not the enemy, capitalism is.

Does this have anything to do with you getting out of the food industry?

On the idea that the United States has been evolving towards socialism:

That evolution is the primary factor in the unsustainable financial situation illustrated here:

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It also has suffocated liberty. It is a reality, but it is not a good thing.

And I think it's sad that people think a role of government is to be involved in doing "social good."

JohnStOnge wrote:On the idea that the United States has been evolving towards socialism:

That evolution is the primary factor in the unsustainable financial situation illustrated here:

http://www.debt-clocks.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It also has suffocated liberty. It is a reality, but it is not a good thing.

And I think it's sad that people think a role of government is to be involved in doing "social good."

The free market can stifle liberty just as much.

The free market can stifle liberty just as much.

I don't think so. But give me an example of the free market stifling liberty so we can discuss it.

I'll give you an example of our government stifling liberty: It interferes with hiring decisions. A business has to be mindful of who it hires and/or does not hire so as not to run afoul of government "anti discrimination" laws.

JohnStOnge wrote:

The free market can stifle liberty just as much.

I don't think so. But give me an example of the free market stifling liberty so we can discuss it.

I'll give you an example of our government stifling liberty: It interferes with hiring decisions. A business has to be mindful of who it hires and/or does not hire so as not to run afoul of government "anti discrimination" laws.

Say you're a start up warlord in somalia for instance...

kalm wrote:

Ivytalk wrote: Spoken like someone who's never held a job for more than 6.93 minutes.

I've been with same business for 23 years and Cappy's right. We are a mixed economy and West is a Douche with a capital R.

As opposed to our current president who's an Idiot with a capital I.

JohnStOnge wrote:On the idea that the United States has been evolving towards socialism:

That evolution is the primary factor in the unsustainable financial situation illustrated here:

http://www.debt-clocks.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It also has suffocated liberty. It is a reality, but it is not a good thing.

And I think it's sad that people think a role of government is to be involved in doing "social good."

Suffocated liberty? Nice Conk buzzwords, St. Wronge. We are no less "free" than we were under Reagan.

AZGrizFan wrote:

kalm wrote:
I've been with same business for 23 years and Cappy's right. We are a mixed economy and West is a Douche with a capital R.

As opposed to our current president who's an Idiot with a capital I.

Intelligent contribution, W. Jealous?

Cap'n Cat wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
As opposed to our current president who's an Idiot with a capital I.

Intelligent contribution, W. Jealous?

No.

Suffocated liberty? Nice Conk buzzwords, St. Wronge. We are no less "free" than we were under Reagan.

Well, if the Administration wins its Supreme Court case people will be forced to buy health insurance whether they want it or not. But it goes back farther than that. During the time of FDR, we established the precdent that the Commerce Clause means that the Federal government has jurisdiction over something if it "affects" interstate commerce. It was used to say a Farmer couldn't grow wheat on his own property for his own use even though no interstate commerce...or even any commerce of any kind...was involved. That concept has been used to do things like say that someone in California can't grow marijuana for legal sale under California law even if no interstate commerce is involved. It's been used to tell businesses they can't make their own decisions about who they hire and don't hire without Federal government interference. Many other things.

Most of us are, as individuals, much less free than individuals in our situations in this country once were. It's not just liberals who did it. Conservatives have participated in it too (see the Drug War). But it all goes back to allowing the Federal government power well beyond what was intended and understood by those who crafted and ratified Constitutional language.

Cap, there's also an over-arching principle here. When government takes the responsibility for ensuring your well being, it has a better argument for controlling your behavior and restricting your choices.