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D1B wrote:Keep trying, but you're rapidly spiralling into the shit hole.

D1B wrote:This aint about you or your "calls" Joe. It's about your church molesting children, covering up the child rape cases, spending hundreds of millions of your dollars on top notch lawyers, intimidating witnesses, threatening families, hiding from the law, not cooperating with law enforcement, lying, and generally being immoral and highly "unchristlike".

You're an evil, brainwashed automaton who should be ashamed of yourself.

I have no problem being bigoted against such an evil institution.

Keep trying, but you're rapidly spiralling into the **** hole.

89Hen wrote:

D1B wrote:Keep trying, but you're rapidly spiralling into the shit hole.

You afraid of company?

JoltinJoe wrote:

D1B wrote:This aint about you or your "calls" Joe. It's about your church molesting children, covering up the child rape cases, spending hundreds of millions of your dollars on top notch lawyers, intimidating witnesses, threatening families, hiding from the law, not cooperating with law enforcement, lying, and generally being immoral and highly "unchristlike".

You're an evil, brainwashed automaton who should be ashamed of yourself.

I have no problem being bigoted against such an evil institution.

Keep trying, but you're rapidly spiralling into the **** hole.

The reason my "calls" have been proven right is because I have a balanced perspective.

You are just a mindless bigoted puppet under the spell of hate mongers, and as a result you say things like the above.

Loser.

JoltinJoe wrote: The day this report was released, an attorney in the know told me that this report was a hatchet job, full of gross distortions and misrepresentations, and in the end, potentially a watershed moment, because in time, many of the accusations in the report would be shown to be false -- perhaps someone would finally notice how over he top and unbalanced the treatment of the Church has been. So let's give this some time, and see if these statements of one DA will prove to hold water.

JoltinJoe wrote:Vindicated again.

From a little over a year ago.

JoltinJoe wrote: The day this report was released, an attorney in the know told me that this report was a hatchet job, full of gross distortions and misrepresentations, and in the end, potentially a watershed moment, because in time, many of the accusations in the report would be shown to be false -- perhaps someone would finally notice how over he top and unbalanced the treatment of the Church has been. So let's give this some time, and see if these statements of one DA will prove to hold water.

JoltinJoe wrote:A columnist for the Philadelphia Inquirer calls out the Philly DA for drafting an intentionally sensational report, highlighting now that the evidence is coming in, his report reads like a "florid draft goosed for dramatic effect."

Remember when this story broke, I said Avery was guilty, but Fr. Brennan and Msgr. Lynn were not.

And to date I've never been wrong on one of my calls. Now there is a big fat bigot here who always publishes the headline, but runs to find another headline when the case gets tossed.

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Remember I said the charges against Fr. Brennan were weak and the product of a witness lacking in credibility? Now the DA is down to claiming that this victim was attacked by Fr. Brennan just once. From the column:

One victim, one attack?

The commonwealth's case against Father Brennan involves one child and one assault. That accuser has since battled drugs and been convicted of forgery and fraud.

Flawed victims aren't unique in sex-abuse cases, but prosecutors were presumably confident enough in this man's story to bring charges.

And now?

For a lying, scheming criminal and junkie, he cleaned up well, and, under bruising cross-examination, more than held his own.

If I had to score Round One of the most important testimony to date in the trial concerning sex abuse and conspiracy in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, I'd give it to the beleaguered - yet believable - 30-year-old victim staring at his alleged abuser in court.

THE ARCHDIOCESE of Philadelphia let a priest who admitted abusing boys in Northeast Philadelphia return to a limited ministry in 1997 with a warning to stay "low key" and away from churches where he might be seen by his victims or other accusers.

A year after confessing the abuse to a counselor at a treatment center in Canada, the Rev. Stanley J. Gana was named chaplain of a Carmelite nuns' monastery in Philadelphia.

When he asked to expand his ministry to assist at other parishes, Monsignor William J. Lynn agreed - with conditions. "I said it would be fine if Gana helps out, if it was not a Northeast parish or a parish with a school," Lynn wrote in a confidential memo.

Prosecutors showed that letter and others to jurors on Tuesday as they sought to prove that Lynn, the Archdiocese's former secretary for clergy, endangered children by enabling or failing to remove priests suspected of abusing children.

Gana was never criminally charged or accused of abusing anyone after the mid-1980s. But prosecutors won a legal battle to introduce evidence about him and 20 other priests to show jurors how Lynn, the clergy secretary from 1992 to 2004, and other church officials routinely handled abuse allegations.

They say that evidence will help prove their contention that Lynn's actions enabled his two co-defendants, the Rev. James J. Brennan and defrocked priest Edward Avery, to each abuse a boy in the late 1990s.

Gana, while receiving treatment at a Toronto-area facility, confessed to having abused two boys years before. The facility determined that he had acted out sexually because he was "very heavily addicted" to drugs and alcohol, not because of a sexual disorder.

The witness said that so many campers were aware of Cannon's assaults that some changed the lyrics of a popular song of the day, "Poison Ivy" by the Coasters, to add a refrain about the priest.

According to the man, they sang:

Late at night while you're sleeping,

Father Cannon comes creepin' around.

As the church official tasked with investigating abuse claims, Lynn interviewed the men who came forward in 1992 and 1995 to say Gana had abused them when both were adolescents at Our Lady of Calvary Church in Philadelphia.

Gana initially denied the allegations, Lynn's memos show. But he agreed in 1995 to resign his post as pastor of Our Lady of Sorrows in Bridgeport, Montgomery County, and be evaluated at Southdown, a Toronto-area treatment center.

Gana's resignation letter to Cardinal Anthony J. Bevilacqua and the cardinal's reply said he was leaving for health reasons.

At Southdown, Gana admitted abusing the boys. "He admitted everything," according to a memo placed in Gana's personnel file by Lynn and read to jurors by Detective Joseph Walsh, one of the lead investigators on the case.

Four months after the confession, Lynn told one of Gana's victims, a man who threatened a lawsuit, that the priest was still denying the allegation, according to memos read for jurors.

That disclosure sparked a brief courtroom clash. One of Lynn's lawyers, Thomas Bergstrom, started to ask the detective if Lynn might have withheld Gana's confession because Lynn worried about violating medical-privacy laws, an argument Bergstrom said he might make again.

Common Pleas Court Judge M. Teresa Sarmina cut the question short and sent the jury out of the room. Then she admonished Bergstrom for, even unintentionally, "trying to mislead the jury" and barred him from asking the question until he gave her proof that Lynn was bound by such a law.

PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - A tearful former Marine testifying in a sex abuse case rocking the Philadelphia Roman Catholic Archdiocese recalled on Wednesday the day he became deathly afraid of a priest he said had been a family friend but molested him as a teenager.

The former Marine said Reverend James Brennan, 50, molested him at the priest's apartment in suburban West Chester, Pennsylvania, in 1996 when he was 14. Brennan is charged with attempted rape.

The witness said the abuse occurred on an evening he spent at Brennan's apartment with plans to play golf the next day. He said it was the first time they had been alone together.

At the apartment, the witness recalled he was eating cereal and formed some of the pieces into the shape of a penis.
Brennan saw what he had done and told him, "If you want to stop this, you can stop this now," he testified. The two then looked at sex chat rooms and pornography on Brennan's computer, he testified.

"He was ready to masturbate in front of me," he testified. "I told him I did not want to do that. I told him I was not feeling well and wanted to go to bed."

He testified the two shared Brennan's bed, where he said he was molested and told the jury how he had become frightened of the man who had been such a familiar figure in his life.

"I was scared," he said. "I thought he would kill me or something. I didn't know, I was a little boy."
Defense attorneys have called the witness a "serial confabulator." In Brennan's bed, the witness said: "I just kept asking God to help me fall asleep."

The next morning he said he noticed he was bleeding. When he saw his mother, he testified: "I said, 'Mom, I think Jim molested me last night.'"

kalm wrote:Dude must be a good liar.

PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - A tearful former Marine testifying in a sex abuse case rocking the Philadelphia Roman Catholic Archdiocese recalled on Wednesday the day he became deathly afraid of a priest he said had been a family friend but molested him as a teenager.

The former Marine said Reverend James Brennan, 50, molested him at the priest's apartment in suburban West Chester, Pennsylvania, in 1996 when he was 14. Brennan is charged with attempted rape.

The witness said the abuse occurred on an evening he spent at Brennan's apartment with plans to play golf the next day. He said it was the first time they had been alone together.

At the apartment, the witness recalled he was eating cereal and formed some of the pieces into the shape of a penis.
Brennan saw what he had done and told him, "If you want to stop this, you can stop this now," he testified. The two then looked at sex chat rooms and pornography on Brennan's computer, he testified.

"He was ready to masturbate in front of me," he testified. "I told him I did not want to do that. I told him I was not feeling well and wanted to go to bed."

He testified the two shared Brennan's bed, where he said he was molested and told the jury how he had become frightened of the man who had been such a familiar figure in his life.

"I was scared," he said. "I thought he would kill me or something. I didn't know, I was a little boy."
Defense attorneys have called the witness a "serial confabulator." In Brennan's bed, the witness said: "I just kept asking God to help me fall asleep."

The next morning he said he noticed he was bleeding. When he saw his mother, he testified: "I said, 'Mom, I think Jim molested me last night.'"

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JoltinJoe wrote:The jury in this "slam dunk" case announced today that they were hopelessly deadlocked on all but one charge against the two priests. This after 12 intense days of deliberations since they received the case on June 1. The judge directed them to continue to deliberate.

Obviously the evidence in this case was ultimately not as strong as the grand jury report represented. The jury will return Friday for its 13th day of deliberations on Friday.

JoltinJoe wrote:I'll let the jury make the call on Lynn, since I wasn't in the courtroom and didn't hear all the evidence.

However, my perception, based on what I've read about the evidence and the case, is that the Philly DA's office wants a head to mount, and Lynn is the only guy left with a pulse anywhere near the scene of the crime. So the prosecutors called him a "co-conspirator" and rolled the dice, pursuing a classic case of guilt by proximity and association.

It's plain that Lynn had no authority to assign priests, as the DA initially claimed. Moreover, the fact that Lynn drafted a list of 34 predator priests with a recommendation that they be removed, and then Cardinal Bevalaque shredded the list ... well, that tells me who the real fiend was. That should simply turn your stomach. Of course, he and the others are now beyond the reach of earthly justice.

My point is that this case against Monsignor Lynn was obviously a much more complicated matter than commonly reported, and the sensational facts outlined in the Grand Jury Report ultimately just did not exist. If you read only mainstream news accounts, that the jury is deadlocked would come as a complete surprise to you. But it doesn't surprise me in the least. Hey, the jury might still convict, but only because the court is leaning on them.

So perhaps you could acknowledge that my observations about this case were correct?

JoltinJoe wrote:I'll let the jury make the call on Lynn, since I wasn't in the courtroom and didn't hear all the evidence.

However, my perception, based on what I've read about the evidence and the case, is that the Philly DA's office wants a head to mount, and Lynn is the only guy left with a pulse anywhere near the scene of the crime. So the prosecutors called him a "co-conspirator" and rolled the dice, pursuing a classic case of guilt by proximity and association.

It's plain that Lynn had no authority to assign priests, as the DA initially claimed. Moreover, the fact that Lynn drafted a list of 34 predator priests with a recommendation that they be removed, and then Cardinal Bevalaque shredded the list ... well, that tells me who the real fiend was. That should simply turn your stomach. Of course, he and the others are now beyond the reach of earthly justice.

My point is that this case against Monsignor Lynn was obviously a much more complicated matter than commonly reported, and the sensational facts outlined in the Grand Jury Report ultimately just did not exist. If you read only mainstream news accounts, that the jury is deadlocked would come as a complete surprise to you. But it doesn't surprise me in the least. Hey, the jury might still convict, but only because the court is leaning on them.

So perhaps you could acknowledge that my observations about this case were correct?

D1B wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:I'll let the jury make the call on Lynn, since I wasn't in the courtroom and didn't hear all the evidence.

However, my perception, based on what I've read about the evidence and the case, is that the Philly DA's office wants a head to mount, and Lynn is the only guy left with a pulse anywhere near the scene of the crime. So the prosecutors called him a "co-conspirator" and rolled the dice, pursuing a classic case of guilt by proximity and association.

It's plain that Lynn had no authority to assign priests, as the DA initially claimed. Moreover, the fact that Lynn drafted a list of 34 predator priests with a recommendation that they be removed, and then Cardinal Bevalaque shredded the list ... well, that tells me who the real fiend was. That should simply turn your stomach. Of course, he and the others are now beyond the reach of earthly justice.

My point is that this case against Monsignor Lynn was obviously a much more complicated matter than commonly reported, and the sensational facts outlined in the Grand Jury Report ultimately just did not exist. If you read only mainstream news accounts, that the jury is deadlocked would come as a complete surprise to you. But it doesn't surprise me in the least. Hey, the jury might still convict, but only because the court is leaning on them.

So perhaps you could acknowledge that my observations about this case were correct?

Joe, you're very **** up in the head. No bullshit here. You're so deep in the cult that you fail to acknowledge your church leaderships role in enabling child rape.

"I'll let the jury decide" You know lynn didn't do enough. Classic catholic defense - blame it on someone else knowing the truth will never come to light because the church destroyed it or the pedophile protectors are dead.

Lynn is a catholic wonk coward, just like you.

You're a sick **** that needs professional help and I don't want to have anything to do with you.

JoltinJoe wrote:

D1B wrote:
Joe, you're very **** up in the head. No bullshit here. You're so deep in the cult that you fail to acknowledge your church leaderships role in enabling child rape.

"I'll let the jury decide" You know lynn didn't do enough. Classic catholic defense - blame it on someone else knowing the truth will never come to light because the church destroyed it or the pedophile protectors are dead.

Lynn is a catholic wonk coward, just like you.

You're a sick **** that needs professional help and I don't want to have anything to do with you.

You have no idea what the evidence against Lynn is/was. Neither of us were in court and heard the evidence.

What I am sure of is that the grand jury report overplayed the facts.

The jury will make the call. It heard the evidence. We didn't.