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blueballs wrote:The real problem is when 21% of the population is liberal but 90+% of the media is liberal.

The founding fathers set up the media as a watchdog, not an advocacy vehicle, and in 2008 in particular the media played a huge role in getting Obama elected by failing to vet him. I fully expect the same thing to happen this summer and into the fall.

The country is undeniably "center-right" but you'd never know it by the media.

Cap'n Cat wrote:

blueballs wrote:The real problem is when 21% of the population is liberal but 90+% of the media is liberal.

The founding fathers set up the media as a watchdog, not an advocacy vehicle, and in 2008 in particular the media played a huge role in getting Obama elected by failing to vet him. I fully expect the same thing to happen this summer and into the fall.

The country is undeniably "center-right" but you'd never know it by the media.

First, P, the founding fathers set up the media?? Can you elaborate?

Second, re the "liberal" media, I have said for years that, if Conks had a message that people actually desired, they would have no problem getting it across...through whatever media. Instead, too often, their message and proposals are just plain out there and weird, not to mention backward (as with women) and regressive. Americans do not want to go back to the malt shoppe in downtown Dixon, IL, 1948, as Santorum Gingrich, Barbour, W, Quayle, Hannity, O'Reilly and Limbaugh do.

Cap'n Cat wrote:

blueballs wrote:The real problem is when 21% of the population is liberal but 90+% of the media is liberal.

The founding fathers set up the media as a watchdog, not an advocacy vehicle, and in 2008 in particular the media played a huge role in getting Obama elected by failing to vet him. I fully expect the same thing to happen this summer and into the fall.

The country is undeniably "center-right" but you'd never know it by the media.

First, P, the founding fathers set up the media?? Can you elaborate?

blueballs wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:


First, P, the founding fathers set up the media?? Can you elaborate?

Freedom of the Press... without it the media would be state run and only a propaganda vehicle.

blueballs wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:


First, P, the founding fathers set up the media?? Can you elaborate?

Freedom of the Press... without it the media would be state run and only a propaganda vehicle.

ASUG8 wrote:Can you look yourself in the mirror Cappy and tell me that the big 3 + CNN have been objective reporters since BHO came on the scene? Throw out Fox, we know they're far right already.

ASUG8 wrote:Can you look yourself in the mirror Cappy and tell me that the big 3 + CNN have been objective reporters since BHO came on the scene? Throw out Fox, we know they're far right already.

Point is, most of us have more access to "news" via more methods these days than ever before and any and every writer, no matter how objective they claim to be, will inject their personal bias into their reports. There are too many folks out here with malleable play-doh minds that can be shifted around easily based on some deft reporting by one side or the other posited as objective facts.

ASUG8 wrote:Can you look yourself in the mirror Cappy and tell me that the big 3 + CNN have been objective reporters since BHO came on the scene? Throw out Fox, we know they're far right already.

Point is, most of us have more access to "news" via more methods these days than ever before and any and every writer, no matter how objective they claim to be, will inject their personal bias into their reports. There are too many folks out here with malleable play-doh minds that can be shifted around easily based on some deft reporting by one side or the other posited as objective facts.

D1B wrote:[

blueballs wrote:

D1B wrote:[

Jerry Moore and Scott Satterfield are shown above in an informal setting recently prior to spring practice starting on the Rock. Moore was heard asking his younger protege, "We're gonna' ass rape those purple Furman fucks this year and do 'em raw, ain't we Scotty? Bunch of gawd damn liberal pussies..."

D1B wrote:
Conks, like religion, are losing the ideological battle. The only admirable aspect of conkunism is fiscal prudence, otherwise you're all a bunch of fucking cavemen.

Cap'n Cat wrote:The world becomes more liberal each and every hour

89Hen wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:The world becomes more liberal each and every hour

Prove it.

Pwns wrote:Don't think you can blame Obama as much as you can just say this is a result of the economic crisis. The hard line supply-siders and Keynesians both come out foaming at the mouth with their own theories as why the bottom fell out of the system and impressionable people eat it up. Meanwhile the bigger problems are either not addressed or are not addressed in a way they should be.

1) Health care costs are out of control. Cutting medicare benefits is not a solution and neither is transferring the costs to the government. We just don't have enough doctors to take care of the volume of medical problems and to carry out clinical trials needed to get drugs into the market. We have to invest in more residency programs, period.

2) The government has to help industries like technology, pharma, and aerospace innovate instead of continuing to obsess over how to make the manufacturing process more efficient. Apple didn't make its comeback finding more efficient ways to make its products, they did it by coming up with new stuff. Ditto with Germany's manufacturing.

3) Education has to be fixed. America has no problem producing home-grown evolutionary biologists and environmental scientists but we have a dismal record of producing engineers and computer scientists and physicists and actual useful human capital. Steve Jobs told Obama that he moved a plant offshore not because American labor was too expensive but because we don't have the engineers that he needed. Also, it is insane to insist that gym teachers make the same salary as AP Physics or AP Calculus teachers.

Those are my issues and I'm sticking with 'em.

Pwns wrote:Don't think you can blame Obama as much as you can just say this is a result of the economic crisis. The hard line supply-siders and Keynesians both come out foaming at the mouth with their own theories as why the bottom fell out of the system and impressionable people eat it up. Meanwhile the bigger problems are either not addressed or are not addressed in a way they should be.

1) Health care costs are out of control. Cutting medicare benefits is not a solution and neither is transferring the costs to the government. We just don't have enough doctors to take care of the volume of medical problems and to carry out clinical trials needed to get drugs into the market. We have to invest in more residency programs, period.

2) The government has to help industries like technology, pharma, and aerospace innovate instead of continuing to obsess over how to make the manufacturing process more efficient. Apple didn't make its comeback finding more efficient ways to make its products, they did it by coming up with new stuff. Ditto with Germany's manufacturing.

3) Education has to be fixed. America has no problem producing home-grown evolutionary biologists and
environmental scientists but we have a dismal record of producing engineers and computer scientists and physicists and actual useful human capital. Steve Jobs told Obama that he moved a plant offshore not because American labor was too expensive but because we don't have the engineers that he needed. Also, it is insane to insist that gym teachers make the same salary as AP Physics or AP Calculus teachers.

Those are my issues and I'm sticking with 'em.

Ivytalk wrote:

Pwns wrote:Don't think you can blame Obama as much as you can just say this is a result of the economic crisis. The hard line supply-siders and Keynesians both come out foaming at the mouth with their own theories as why the bottom fell out of the system and impressionable people eat it up. Meanwhile the bigger problems are either not addressed or are not addressed in a way they should be.

1) Health care costs are out of control. Cutting medicare benefits is not a solution and neither is transferring the costs to the government. We just don't have enough doctors to take care of the volume of medical problems and to carry out clinical trials needed to get drugs into the market. We have to invest in more residency programs, period.

2) The government has to help industries like technology, pharma, and aerospace innovate instead of continuing to obsess over how to make the manufacturing process more efficient. Apple didn't make its comeback finding more efficient ways to make its products, they did it by coming up with new stuff. Ditto with Germany's manufacturing.

3) Education has to be fixed. America has no problem producing home-grown evolutionary biologists and
environmental scientists but we have a dismal record of producing engineers and computer scientists and physicists and actual useful human capital. Steve Jobs told Obama that he moved a plant offshore not because American labor was too expensive but because we don't have the engineers that he needed. Also, it is insane to insist that gym teachers make the same salary as AP Physics or AP Calculus teachers.

Those are my issues and I'm sticking with 'em.

Cap'n Cat wrote:Yes, good stuff, Powny.

Regarding your thoughts on education, yesterday, I was watching a piece on Andrea Mitchell Reports in which she spoke with a 17 yr old about an award he won for his investigationa into breast cancer.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/mitchell-rep ... /#46735982" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Watch it. At about 1:55 in, it shows all the finalists (I'm assuming) and what's astounding is that there were virtually no WASPs in the group. They're all Asian and Indian and Pakistani and such. Now, Cap'n Cat is no Nazi and all the kids ARE Americans, but I have to question the motivations of "WASP" kids and their parents. Not necessarily making any judgments, just an observation. The country is full of Criminology and Fashion Design and "Communications" majors, but why are white kids not pursuing technical degrees? Just axin'.

blueballs wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:Yes, good stuff, Powny.

Regarding your thoughts on education, yesterday, I was watching a piece on Andrea Mitchell Reports in which she spoke with a 17 yr old about an award he won for his investigationa into breast cancer.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/mitchell-rep ... /#46735982" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Watch it. At about 1:55 in, it shows all the finalists (I'm assuming) and what's astounding is that there were virtually no WASPs in the group. They're all Asian and Indian and Pakistani and such. Now, Cap'n Cat is no Nazi and all the kids ARE Americans, but I have to question the motivations of "WASP" kids and their parents. Not necessarily making any judgments, just an observation. The country is full of Criminology and Fashion Design and "Communications" majors, but why are white kids not pursuing technical degrees? Just axin'.

That's because all the white kids want to be black rappers, all the black kids want to be thug rappers or Lebron, and finally, all the Mexican kids just want to not be noticed and deported.

Generation Y indeed, as in "why" the fuck didn't we wear rubbers?

Cap'n Cat wrote:...and it isn't healthy as the country becomes more and more polarized. Note the STEEP jump in Conkunism right after 2008! Wonder why????!!! Also, note the steady decline of both Conks and Mods during W's terms.



SeaGee's thread got me thinking about Conks and Progressives.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/conse ... group.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;




Lots of other good graphs in this. Conkservatives are the largest ideological group in the U.S. and that's understandable...and good, IMO. No one (except Bronco and native and STD1990) could thrive in an environment either wholly Conkunist or wholly Enlightened Progressive. The Cap'n is proud to be in the latter minority keeping checks and balances on the former!