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Progressives were also the driving force behind early regulation experiments, supporting the creation of state agencies to oversee industries such as the railroads and other trusts. At the federal level, these debates led to the creation of the Interstate Commerce Commission and later the Federal Trade Commission. Although both agencies faced stiff opposition from the Supreme Court which routinely narrowed the scope of regulatory power on antitrust issues, these efforts helped set the stage for the New Deal. At the state level, rate commissions and other forms of regulatory oversight of the economy became more common. Finally, at the local level, progressives engaged in a spirited effort to develop systems of public utilities. From transportation systems to water provision, reformers argued that private monopolies in these necessity-providing industries undermined the public good. Through unique municipal oversight, and in some cases outright public ownership, progressives tried to deploy the powers of the states to ensure that basic necessities were provided effectively and fairly.

The common thread running through these disparate reform efforts was a distinctly progressive view of freedom that contrasted with the free-market views of conservatives. This vision was most clearly articulated by Progressive Era thinkers such as the philosopher and activist John Dewey, and Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis.

For both Dewey and Brandeis, freedom meant more than just individual autonomy and free market exchange. Instead, freedom was achieved when citizens were able to live meaningful lives. In the modern economy, creating this sort of freedom meant enacting public policies that would protect individuals from extreme insecurity and exploitation.

Cap'n Cat wrote:Conks are sending us back to the late 40's.

Cap'n Cat wrote:Conks are sending us back to the late 40's.

Baldy wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:Conks are sending us back to the late 40's.

More like the 1880's

kalm wrote:

Baldy wrote:

There's a certain degree of truth to that. Especially if you view Obama as a progressive. Which I don't.

Baldy wrote:

kalm wrote:


There's a certain degree of truth to that. Especially if you view Obama as a progressive. Which I don't.

Obama?

We're talking about the Occupy Wall Street Crowd and the people of that ilk...such as the author of the article you posted. They want to replace the car with a train, the power plant with a windmill, the individual with a collective.

Baldy wrote:

kalm wrote:


There's a certain degree of truth to that. Especially if you view Obama as a progressive. Which I don't.

Obama?

We're talking about the Occupy Wall Street Crowd and the people of that ilk...such as the author of the article you posted. They want to replace the car with a train, the power plant with a windmill, the individual with a collective.

kalm wrote:

Baldy wrote:
Obama?

We're talking about the Occupy Wall Street Crowd and the people of that ilk...such as the author of the article you posted. They want to replace the car with a train, the power plant with a windmill, the individual with a collective.

Yeah, because Teddy Roosevelt, the mid-west farmers, and iPad wielding college kids were/are soooooo anti technology.

Nice try though.

Baldy wrote:

kalm wrote:
Yeah, because Teddy Roosevelt, the mid-west farmers, and iPad wielding college kids were/are soooooo anti technology.

Nice try though.

Teddy Roosevelt was a proponent of the "Progressive" ideal of eugenics. Generally speaking, mid-west farmers aren't "progressives", and the "iPad wielding college kids" are the ones who make up the booger eating rapists of OWS.

You whiffed again...

kalm wrote: I notice that eugenics thing keeps popping up as a conk talking point

The progressive movement had a strong farm oriented contingent.

You need to replace booger eater.

Baldy wrote:

kalm wrote: I notice that eugenics thing keeps popping up as a conk talking point

You say talking point, I call it the truth. It is what it is...

The progressive movement had a strong farm oriented contingent.

Those farmers used mules to plow their fields, horse and buggy to take their products to market, and took a dump in an outhouse. Times have changed.

You need to replace booger eater.

I was being nice. I could always go with this if you prefer.

dbackjon wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:Conks are sending us back to the late 40's.

More like the 1880's

kalm wrote: The thread and linked article were about the history of the progressive movement. You tried to make a funny about how progressives were anti-technology and posted a picture which I even acknowledged as decent smack. You then brought OWS into the discussion.

Progressivism was not historically nor is it currently anti-technology. It was mostly about anti-monopolism, something that a card carrying conk such as yourself should be all for - you know - freedom, democracy, freedom in the market not being diminished by entrenched power and government cronyism.

Your understanding of history will improve as your reading comprehension improves. Keep efforting.

Baldy wrote:

kalm wrote: The thread and linked article were about the history of the progressive movement. You tried to make a funny about how progressives were anti-technology and posted a picture which I even acknowledged as decent smack. You then brought OWS into the discussion.

Progressivism was not historically nor is it currently anti-technology. It was mostly about anti-monopolism, something that a card carrying conk such as yourself should be all for - you know - freedom, democracy, freedom in the market not being diminished by entrenched power and government cronyism.

Your understanding of history will improve as your reading comprehension improves. Keep efforting.

Says the guy who believes the 'robber baron' myth. Thank you, kalm Jennings Bryan.

I never claimed 'progressives' were anti-technology.

OWS is the epicenter of the 21 century 'progressive' movement. Have you read their so-called list of demands? These are the things that make the mouths of hard core 'progressives' water...the demand for Congress to institute a guaranteed 'living wage' regardless of employment, single payer socialized medicine, immediate across the board debt forgiveness, etc, etc, etc.

Do you actually believe that progressives believe in freedom, or democracy, or the freedom of the market not being diminished by entrenched power and government cronyism?

The truth is, by definition, progressives don't believe in ANY of those things. Freedom? yeah maybe in the movie they want to see or the freedom to pick the color of the shirt they want to wear. Other than that, they want the government to tell you what type of car to drive, where to live, how much money you can make, what to eat, what type of energy we can consume, and the list goes on and on. In the 1920's, progressives had prohibition and the temperance movement. Today, their new temperance movement is smoking.

Government cronyism is the foundation on which progressivism was built. After all, the definition of progressivism is to bring social , political, and economic change through government action.

You are right about one thing though, my understanding of history evolves everyday. Don't worry, if you put in the effort, yours will too. You won't be this ignorant forever.....hopefully.

kalm wrote:

Baldy wrote: Says the guy who believes the 'robber baron' myth. Thank you, kalm Jennings Bryan.

I never claimed 'progressives' were anti-technology.

OWS is the epicenter of the 21 century 'progressive' movement. Have you read their so-called list of demands? These are the things that make the mouths of hard core 'progressives' water...the demand for Congress to institute a guaranteed 'living wage' regardless of employment, single payer socialized medicine, immediate across the board debt forgiveness, etc, etc, etc.

Do you actually believe that progressives believe in freedom, or democracy, or the freedom of the market not being diminished by entrenched power and government cronyism?

The truth is, by definition, progressives don't believe in ANY of those things. Freedom? yeah maybe in the movie they want to see or the freedom to pick the color of the shirt they want to wear. Other than that, they want the government to tell you what type of car to drive, where to live, how much money you can make, what to eat, what type of energy we can consume, and the list goes on and on. In the 1920's, progressives had prohibition and the temperance movement. Today, their new temperance movement is smoking.

Government cronyism is the foundation on which progressivism was built. After all, the definition of progressivism is to bring social , political, and economic change through government action.

You are right about one thing though, my understanding of history evolves everyday. Don't worry, if you put in the effort, yours will too. You won't be this ignorant forever.....hopefully.

You're confusing early 20th century progressives with your boogey man of 21st century progressives. Or perhaps you're confusing progressives with your bogey man liberals. Your posts and understanding are kind of hard to follow here. But keep up the good work, it's all fascinating!

Baldy wrote:

kalm wrote: The thread and linked article were about the history of the progressive movement. You tried to make a funny about how progressives were anti-technology and posted a picture which I even acknowledged as decent smack. You then brought OWS into the discussion.

Progressivism was not historically nor is it currently anti-technology. It was mostly about anti-monopolism, something that a card carrying conk such as yourself should be all for - you know - freedom, democracy, freedom in the market not being diminished by entrenched power and government cronyism.

Your understanding of history will improve as your reading comprehension improves. Keep efforting.

Says the guy who believes the 'robber baron' myth. Thank you, kalm Jennings Bryan.

I never claimed 'progressives' were anti-technology.

OWS is the epicenter of the 21 century 'progressive' movement. Have you read their so-called list of demands? These are the things that make the mouths of hard core 'progressives' water...the demand for Congress to institute a guaranteed 'living wage' regardless of employment, single payer socialized medicine, immediate across the board debt forgiveness, etc, etc, etc.

Do you actually believe that progressives believe in freedom, or democracy, or the freedom of the market not being diminished by entrenched power and government cronyism?

The truth is, by definition, progressives don't believe in ANY of those things. Freedom? yeah maybe in the movie they want to see or the freedom to pick the color of the shirt they want to wear. Other than that, they want the government to tell you what type of car to drive, where to live, how much money you can make, what to eat, what type of energy we can consume, and the list goes on and on. In the 1920's, progressives had prohibition and the temperance movement. Today, their new temperance movement is smoking.

Government cronyism is the foundation on which progressivism was built. After all, the definition of progressivism is to bring social , political, and economic change through government action.

You are right about one thing though, my understanding of history evolves everyday. Don't worry, if you put in the effort, yours will too. You won't be this ignorant forever.....hopefully.

kalm wrote:

Baldy wrote: Says the guy who believes the 'robber baron' myth. Thank you, kalm Jennings Bryan.

I never claimed 'progressives' were anti-technology.

OWS is the epicenter of the 21 century 'progressive' movement. Have you read their so-called list of demands? These are the things that make the mouths of hard core 'progressives' water...the demand for Congress to institute a guaranteed 'living wage' regardless of employment, single payer socialized medicine, immediate across the board debt forgiveness, etc, etc, etc.

Do you actually believe that progressives believe in freedom, or democracy, or the freedom of the market not being diminished by entrenched power and government cronyism?

The truth is, by definition, progressives don't believe in ANY of those things. Freedom? yeah maybe in the movie they want to see or the freedom to pick the color of the shirt they want to wear. Other than that, they want the government to tell you what type of car to drive, where to live, how much money you can make, what to eat, what type of energy we can consume, and the list goes on and on. In the 1920's, progressives had prohibition and the temperance movement. Today, their new temperance movement is smoking.

Government cronyism is the foundation on which progressivism was built. After all, the definition of progressivism is to bring social , political, and economic change through government action.

You are right about one thing though, my understanding of history evolves everyday. Don't worry, if you put in the effort, yours will too. You won't be this ignorant forever.....hopefully.

You're confusing early 20th century progressives with your boogey man of 21st century progressives. Or perhaps you're confusing progressives with your boogey liberals. Your posts and understanding are kind of hard to follow here. But keep up the good work, it's all fascinating!