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Was that his 1964 "Time for Choosing" speech? That one launched his national political career.

Me too. He's closer to me on immigration than Obama.

"I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and heart to get here.

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The Reagan "Legend" - the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people.

Cap'n Cat wrote:The Reagan "Legend" - the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people.

Except for "hope and spare change."

Cap'n Cat wrote:The Reagan "Legend" - the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people.

No that would be "hope and change".

Ivytalk wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:The Reagan "Legend" - the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people.

Except for "hope and spare change."

I agree, IT. When he started with that stuff, I got a shiver in my spine. No one alive can change America. Reagan failed, too, because if he succeeded, we'd be in much better shape now.

Cap'n Cat wrote:The Reagan "Legend" - the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people.

No. That would be FDR. We're still suffering the consequences today more than 79 years after he started his Entitlement State crap.

I agree, IT. When he started with that stuff, I got a shiver in my spine. No one alive can change America. Reagan failed, too, because if he succeeded, we'd be in much better shape now.

We're in better shape now than we were when Reagan took office. I kid you not. I'm not going to say we can say Reagan was responsible for getting us out of it but that was the worst situation we were in in my lifetime. We had unbelievably high interest rates and inflation. Things were really crashing. We had been in a long term conflict with the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union was winning. Our military was screwing up just about every time it tried anything. It was bad. Really bad. In 1980 the inflation rate was 13.5%. The prime interest rate was 20% in 1981.

It's not as bad now. And it wasn't as bad in 2008 either. People who think that what happened in 2008 and what's happening now is the "worst it's been since the great depression" just aren't old enough or they just weren't paying attention during the late 70s and early 80s.

JohnStOnge wrote:

I agree, IT. When he started with that stuff, I got a shiver in my spine. No one alive can change America. Reagan failed, too, because if he succeeded, we'd be in much better shape now.

We're in better shape now than we were when Reagan took office. I kid you not. I'm not going to say we can say Reagan was responsible for getting us out of it but that was the worst situation we were in in my lifetime. We had unbelievably high interest rates and inflation. Things were really crashing. We had been in a long term conflict with the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union was winning. Our military was screwing up just about every time it tried anything. It was bad. Really bad. In 1980 the inflation rate was 13.5%. The prime interest rate was 20% in 1981.

It's not as bad now. And it wasn't as bad in 2008 either. People who think that what happened in 2008 and what's happening now is the "worst it's been since the great depression" just aren't old enough or they just weren't paying attention during the late 70s and early 80s.

Yep. Because a Republican was in office in 08' it was the myth of it being the worst since the Great Depression. Even after Obama entered office they blamed it on Bush.
If it had been a Democrat in office it would have been called just a bad recession.

JohnStOnge wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:The Reagan "Legend" - the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people.

No. That would be FDR. We're still suffering the consequences today more than 79 years after he started his Entitlement State crap.

The entitlement "crap" is a good thing, IF managed properly. You want a return to the Old Wet?

If those programs weren't there, we would have ceased being a viable nation years ago.

JohnStOnge wrote:

I agree, IT. When he started with that stuff, I got a shiver in my spine. No one alive can change America. Reagan failed, too, because if he succeeded, we'd be in much better shape now.

We're in better shape now than we were when Reagan took office. I kid you not. I'm not going to say we can say Reagan was responsible for getting us out of it but that was the worst situation we were in in my lifetime. We had unbelievably high interest rates and inflation. Things were really crashing. We had been in a long term conflict with the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union was winning. Our military was screwing up just about every time it tried anything. It was bad. Really bad. In 1980 the inflation rate was 13.5%. The prime interest rate was 20% in 1981.

It's not as bad now. And it wasn't as bad in 2008 either. People who think that what happened in 2008 and what's happening now is the "worst it's been since the great depression" just aren't old enough or they just weren't paying attention during the late 70s and early 80s.

Some people do think that way...they're called economists.

There are many similarities to Reagan and Obama.

The Reagan mythology is fantastic!