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Sealed documents filed in the Archdiocese of Milwaukee bankruptcy identify at least 8,000 instances of child sexual abuse and 100 alleged offenders - 75 of them priests - who have not previously been named by the archdiocese, a victims' attorney said Thursday.

Archdiocese spokeswoman Julie Wolf said she did not have enough information to respond to the assertion, made by attorney Jeffrey Anderson during a pivotal hearing before U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Susan V. Kelley. Anderson represents about 350 of the 570 victim-survivors who have filed claims in the case.

But Peter Isely of the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests speculated that some are likely members of religious orders, such as Capuchins or Franciscans. Order officials do not typically make public the names of their accused members, and the archdiocese claims it is not responsible for them, though they have historically helped to staff its parishes and schools.

"This is a public safety crisis, a child safety crisis that needs to be investigated," Isely said at a news conference on the federal courthouse steps, surrounded by fellow survivors and reporters.

"We need to know who they are and where they are. How can there be 8,000 crimes committed by over 100 offenders and there be no accountability?" he said.

D1B wrote:Seattlegriz just deleted the following:

"I love how you wont admit this is a gay issue, not a catholic issue. I wonder how many cases were man on boy vs man on girl?"

D1B wrote:Seattlegriz just deleted the following:

"I love how you wont admit this is a gay issue, not a catholic issue. I wonder how many cases were man on boy vs man on girl?"

SeattleGriz wrote:

D1B wrote:Seattlegriz just deleted the following:

"I love how you wont admit this is a gay issue, not a catholic issue. I wonder how many cases were man on boy vs man on girl?"

Yes I did. Thought it was better to not place that comment.

Only wish you would show some sort of decency in your posts, but you have shown you have no filter. A complete asshole who has shown his true colors and how hateful you really are.

Shocked at how little you have become.

SeattleGriz wrote:

D1B wrote:Seattlegriz just deleted the following:

"I love how you wont admit this is a gay issue, not a catholic issue. I wonder how many cases were man on boy vs man on girl?"

Yes I did. Thought it was better to not place that comment.

Only wish you would show some sort of decency in your posts, but you have shown you have no filter. A complete asshole who has shown his true colors and how hateful you really are.

Shocked at how little you have become.

SeattleGriz wrote:I have to put kids to bed (give me 30 minutes) then I will post my argument.

SeattleGriz wrote:I need some qualifiers first. Does anyone know the ratio of Clergy on boy vs Clergy on girl.

It is an important question. Clergy on boy = gay. Clergy on girl = straight, but fucked up.

I can't speak for the Catholic church, for I am not Catholic, but it seems to me, and that don't mean shit, the majority of abuse cases are related to clergy on boy. Is that not a gay issue?

D1B wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:I need some qualifiers first. Does anyone know the ratio of Clergy on boy vs Clergy on girl.

It is an important question. Clergy on boy = gay. Clergy on girl = straight, but fucked up.

I can't speak for the Catholic church, for I am not Catholic, but it seems to me, and that don't mean shit, the majority of abuse cases are related to clergy on boy. Is that not a gay issue?

Being gay is not a crime, yet. Pedophilia, child abuse and rape are. The primary factor here is the coordinated system of protection set up by the church, the culture of secrecy and the unwillingness of catholic leadership to do the right thing and investigate and hold accountable those responsible for crimes. In other words, THIS ALL COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.

SeattleGriz wrote:

D1B wrote:
Being gay is not a crime, yet. Pedophilia, child abuse and rape are. The primary factor here is the coordinated system of protection set up by the church, the culture of secrecy and the unwillingness of catholic leadership to do the right thing and investigate and hold accountable those responsible for crimes. In other words, THIS ALL COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.

Serious question. Please define pedophilia as it relates to the Church. As I have stated, male clergy on boy = gay. I don't claim this is correct, just my understanding.

Is there a category I am not understanding?

D1B wrote:

The guy on the left is Bill Donohue (Joltin Joe's idol), a highly paid, Karl Rove-like bully for the catholic church who crafted the "blame homosexuals" strategy. A pathetic sign of desperation for a church in deep shit and getting deeper.

SeattleGriz wrote:

D1B wrote:

The guy on the left is Bill Donohue (Joltin Joe's idol), a highly paid, Karl Rove-like bully for the catholic church who crafted the "blame homosexuals" strategy. A pathetic sign of desperation for a church in deep shit and getting deeper.

I understand the spin portion, but what is the truth? How many are gay and how many are straight?

SeattleGriz wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:
Serious question. Please define pedophilia as it relates to the Church. As I have stated, male clergy on boy = gay. I don't claim this is correct, just my understanding.

Is there a category I am not understanding?

I am not acting dense to be coy. Just trying to get to the root of the issue.

Has it occurred to Versaldi that the repressed, contorted sexual teaching of the church leads so many priests, gay and straight, directly into dysfunctional and, yes, disordered sex lives, alone or with others? Does he realize that forcing gay Catholic kids to hate themselves and then to seek refuge in a celibate priesthood as a cover for their unconquerable nature is just asking for later breakdowns and acting out, with teens and kids as the victims? Does he understand that straight men, denied any relationships with women their own age, can get stunted emotionally, fail to see women as equals, and are thereby less capable in many cases of proper pastoral care and sexual misconduct?

D1B wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:
I understand the spin portion, but what is the truth? How many are gay and how many are straight?

Bout 80% are gay.

Pedophilia is a psychological disorder where adults are obsessed with children as sex objects.

SeattleGriz wrote:

D1B wrote:
Bout 80% are gay.

Pedophilia is a psychological disorder where adults are obsessed with children as sex objects.

Dang. How do I reply to that? If what you are saying is true, 80% of the problem lies with the gay community.

I am stymied.

D1B wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:
Dang. How do I reply to that? If what you are saying is true, 80% of the problem lies with the gay community.

I am stymied.

There is no issue if catholic leadership did the right thing and protected children versus protecting priests and the church.

Its a fucked up situation. The catholic laity are some of the best people. They're generous, good-natured and typically very tolerant. Their problem is they don't question the Vatican and more important they don't question or hold accountable their cardinals and bishops. They've been trained to view these often flawed men as holy and follow them without question. Very similar to a cult. Actually it really is a cult.

SeattleGriz wrote:

D1B wrote:
There is no issue if catholic leadership did the right thing and protected children versus protecting priests and the church.

Its a fucked up situation. The catholic laity are some of the best people. They're generous, good-natured and typically very tolerant. Their problem is they don't question the Vatican and more important they don't question or hold accountable their cardinals and bishops. They've been trained to view these often flawed men as holy and follow them without question. Very similar to a cult. Actually it really is a cult.

I am with you on this one. That is fucked up.

So, to change the direction of this discussion, how much can one blame on the Catholic representation of Christianity?

Big question. I don't expect a perfect answer.

D1B wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:
I am with you on this one. That is fucked up.

So, to change the direction of this discussion, how much can one blame on the Catholic representation of Christianity?

Big question. I don't expect a perfect answer.

To me this issue illustrates the greatest of hypocrisies. If any non-religious entity acted even remotely similar to catholic church, they would have been thoroughly investigated and raided by the FBI. The catholic church continues to get away with massive crimes against children and humanity. This is why religion is dangerous.