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The atrocities happening there call for regime change IMO, but Assad seems to still be firmly in control unlike Mubarrek and Gaddafi. What do we do/don't do in this case?

My biggest concern is that with Russia and China being partners with them and Iran any US intervention could be enough to set off a powder keg in a region already heated up with the Arab Spring uprisings last year.

Discuss.

I prefer the hands-off approach. I think Assad will be dog food in 90 days, unless he pulls a Mubarak and steps down (and exiles himself).

With Russia, China and Iran backing them, Barry ain't gonna do shit.

You need an airstrikes option.

polsongrizz wrote:You need an airstrikes option.

That's it! Drones! Brilliant! Drones programmed to target a gutless, chinless SOB in the royal palace.

Boots on the ground isn't going to happen. A full scale air war isn't going to happen over Russian objections...they have a naval base in Syria...and the Arabs aren't going to like Israel getting positive publicity by granting flyovers to take down one of their enemies. Besides, our allies blew their wad of missles on Libya...need more time to restock.

Drone strikes on a massive scale are out also. That leaves a pinpoint srtike on Assad...and we're the only ones who could do that. Of course, that will open up the question as to why we don't take out the governments of Bahrain and Saudi Arabia...you know, those pesky allies who crushed their own Arab Springs.

You can bet that if we take out Assad, our buddies will again have massive uprisings within a month...backed by Iran, or course. Then what are we to do? If we do nothing...all of the Arab and Persian world will hate us even more. If we "lose" the governments of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, etc...who will buy billions of dollar of our warplanes, tanks, and nipple cleats? What will happen to our oil supplies? Obama will have to press that oil price control button every minute of the day.

Let the world work it out without us. That will probably mean another conservative hard-line Muslim government...this time elected in pure democratic by fashion the poor and bitter dopes, eventually leading to more threats towards Isreal, an exchange of nukes, and the temporary elimination of Middle Eastern oil as a source of power.

Everyone in the sane world wins.

In the end, if you didn't care about Iraq being under a dictator, then you shouldn't care about Syria being under a dictator. Unless, of course, war and violence are OK under the promised one.

Funny, I can't get worked up about Syria. Don't know why. Assad sucks, but anymore, we're powerless to do anything. It's the new world order.

Cap'n Cat wrote:...but anymore, we're powerless to do anything.

Can't find the remote and too tired to get off the couch?

Cluck U wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:...but anymore, we're powerless to do anything.

Can't find the remote and too tired to get off the couch?

Well, there's that, too.....

Cap'n Cat wrote:Funny, I can't get worked up about Syria. Don't know why. Assad sucks, but anymore, we're powerless to do anything. It's the new world order.

Same here. Even if we do anything, we will be limited to pillow fighting like we always are. Our troops go to combat and are only allowed to deliver 3% of our capacities.

Why bother if we are only there to screw around.

heard this failed administration say that Syria is fighting for democracy.
sure they are

isn't that what they said about Egypt?

that turned out well


quote of the day

Carney: Obama Has “No Opinion” On If Senate Should Pass a Budget…

Yeah Obama should get/take the blame for not supporting our former allies Mubarak, and Gadaffi, and what will we and the rest of the world do without Assad?

No wonder we don't have a budget, so many wars, so few dollars.

Wedgebuster wrote:Yeah Obama should get/take the blame for not supporting our former allies Mubarak, and Gadaffi, and what will we and the rest of the world do without Assad?

No wonder we don't have a budget, so many wars, so few dollars.

So is that a vote for "hands off"?

ASUG8 wrote:

Wedgebuster wrote:Yeah Obama should get/take the blame for not supporting our former allies Mubarak, and Gadaffi, and what will we and the rest of the world do without Assad?

No wonder we don't have a budget, so many wars, so few dollars.

So is that a vote for "hands off"?

Augie, we are talking Democrats here, you know

They are not the war party, the decider is no longer in office..

Next!

Wedgebuster wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:
So is that a vote for "hands off"?

Augie, we are talking Democrats here, you know

They are not the war party, the decider is no longer in office..

Next!

It's just been a little hard to draw the line on Repub/Dem intervention the last couple of years, that's all......

I think we should stay out of it. Eventually we will be brought into it because the rest of the world sucks at war and we kick ass. America Fuck Yea!!!!!!!!!

Wedgebuster wrote:Augie, we are talking Democrats here, you know

They are not the war party, the decider is no longer in office..

Next!

Obama, the decider (conveniently avoiding the need for Congressional approval), dramatically increased troops in Affy...his war...and has killed more of our kids there than Bush.

Obama, the decider, conveniently avoiding Congress, decided to bomb Libyan troops and civilians.

Obama, the decider, conveniently avoiding congress, decided to increase drone attacks on other country's sovereign territory...and happened to kill a bunch of civilians along the way. Wedgie: "Obama, I love you...my kids were a pain in my ass anyway...glad you killed them. They should have been aborted. Thank you, Obama!

But don't worry, we're not calling all of them wars...and the Dems love their new Cowboy In Office.

Cluck U wrote:

Wedgebuster wrote:Augie, we are talking Democrats here, you know

They are not the war party, the decider is no longer in office..

Next!

Obama, the decider (conveniently avoiding the need for Congressional approval), dramatically increased troops in Affy...his war...and has killed more of our kids there than Bush.

Obama, the decider, conveniently avoiding Congress, decided to bomb Libyan troops and civilians.

Obama, the decider, conveniently avoiding congress, decided to increase drone attacks on other country's sovereign territory...and happened to kill a bunch of civilians along the way. Wedgie: "Obama, I love you...my kids were a pain in my ass anyway...glad you killed them. They should have been aborted. Thank you, Obama!

But don't worry, we're not calling all of them wars...and the Dems love their new Cowboy In Office.

Bitter, bitter bird boy.

I really don't think politics is your best subject cluck chuck, you just come off as bitter, angry.

ASUG8 wrote:The atrocities happening there call for regime change IMO, but Assad seems to still be firmly in control unlike Mubarrek and Gaddafi. What do we do/don't do in this case?

My biggest concern is that with Russia and China being partners with them and Iran any US intervention could be enough to set off a powder keg in a region already heated up with the Arab Spring uprisings last year.

Discuss.

Isn't "Let the Arab League figure it out" and "Nothing...let it pan out" the same thing?

Wedgebuster wrote: Bitter, bitter bird boy.

I really don't think politics is your best subject cluck chuck, you just come off as bitter, angry.

Bitter?

I'm wiping up the tears of laughter as I type...too many people on here whose synapses aren't firing properly enough for them to avoid pulling a straight ticket. You yin, I yang...you get confused.

I really don't think that judging people is your best subject Wedgie...you just come off as narrow-minded and simple.

Now the Russians and the Chinese vetoed a resolution for a change in power in Syria. Who would have thought that China and Russia would be in favor of oppression?
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"The Obama administration is working to help organize a so-called "friends of Syria" meeting as part of what the State Department says is a push to work "outside the U.N. system," after the Security Council shot down a resolution against Syrian President Bashar Assad."

Wait...Obushma the Decider is gathering a few of his close friends to work around Congress...ooops, I mean the U.N. decision? No way!


But wait, here's the funny part...


"The State Department said Thursday that its top Mideast envoy, Jeffrey Feltman, has been dispatched to Morocco, France and Bahrain to help put the "friends" meeting together and determine the group's membership and mandate."


"Friends meeting" to "determine membership and mandate"?

And Bahrain?

You have to be kidding me? PLEASE, please, please tell me the people of Bahrain know about this meeting. Maybe they'll be gunned down again by our buddies as they protest Obama's meeting and their oppressive minority dictatorship government.


"Responsibility for the bloodshed is at the feet of Assad and his regime. And they are the ones who are keeping it going," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said Thursday. "We want to help the people of Syria have a peaceful alternative, a peaceful way through this, and for Assad to understand that not only does the violence need to end, but that he's lost his right to govern his country, from our perspective."



Not a peep of protest from the Obamatrons regarding the hypocrisy.

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Obama makes a guest appreance at 2:30.

Cluck U wrote:Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02 ... z1lzJmnzyW" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"The Obama administration is working to help organize a so-called "friends of Syria" meeting as part of what the State Department says is a push to work "outside the U.N. system," after the Security Council shot down a resolution against Syrian President Bashar Assad."

Wait...Obushma the Decider is gathering a few of his close friends to work around Congress...ooops, I mean the U.N. decision? No way!


But wait, here's the funny part...


"The State Department said Thursday that its top Mideast envoy, Jeffrey Feltman, has been dispatched to Morocco, France and Bahrain to help put the "friends" meeting together and determine the group's membership and mandate."


"Friends meeting" to "determine membership and mandate"?

And Bahrain?

You have to be kidding me? PLEASE, please, please tell me the people of Bahrain know about this meeting. Maybe they'll be gunned down again by our buddies as they protest Obama's meeting and their oppressive minority dictatorship government.


"Responsibility for the bloodshed is at the feet of Assad and his regime. And they are the ones who are keeping it going," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said Thursday. "We want to help the people of Syria have a peaceful alternative, a peaceful way through this, and for Assad to understand that not only does the violence need to end, but that he's lost his right to govern his country, from our perspective."



Not a peep of protest from the Obamatrons regarding the hypocrisy.

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Obama makes a guest appreance at 2:30.

Bahrain, wow.

kalm wrote: Bahrain, wow.

Yup, Obama is having our people return to the scene of the crime we supported to talk about doing something about another crime...and not a single word from the Donks...or the Conks.

It is just way too funny.

Yup, Obama is having our people return to the scene of the crime we supported to talk about doing something about another crime...and not a single word from the Donks...or the Conks.

It is just way too funny.

Two words: Saudi Arabia

And as for the Syria thing, just read an article saying Iraqi Al-Qaeda pulled off multiple bombings in Syria. This is a situation that the U.S. should definitely not send ground troops. And I was thinking about the possibility of arming the FSA, but with Al-Qaeda involved, that option has left the table. So I voted for the Arab League. Sadly, without Russia on board to stop arms shipments, the situation is only going to get worse.