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I was listening to Bill Moyers on Maher's show and he made a claim you hear often from the left these days that in light of the entire primary field over the last 2 years, the Republican Party has swung wildly to the right. He went on to suggest that most of the current crop of candidates represented the fringe 40 years ago and guys like Goldwater and Reagan would be virtually unelectable primary candidates these days.

So what do you guys think? How far, if at all, has the GOP moved?

As much as the Dems have swung left.

89Hen wrote:As much as the Dems have swung left.

The loud mouthed evangelists forcing their way into the platforms is about where the Rebublican Party was hijacked.

Wanting to mandate their "morals" and enforce their stupid superstitions through legislative processes has hopelessly branded the party as the party of religious nut bags, crazy women, hypocrites, and old white rich guys.

Gingrich and companies insistence on impeaching Clinton for lying about an extramarital blowjob is most laughable at this point, but probably marks a time in American Politics where the split between the isles had been driven way past any possibility of bipartisanship mending any time in the foreseeable future.

We are reaping what we sewed here fellow partisans..

Wedgebuster wrote:The loud mouthed evangelists forcing their way into the platforms is about where the Rebublican Party was hijacked.

Wanting to mandate their "morals" and enforce their stupid superstitions through legislative processes has hopelessly branded the party as the party of religious nut bags, crazy women, hypocrites, and old white rich guys.

Gingrich and companies insistence on impeaching Clinton for lying about an extramarital blowjob is most laughable at this point, but probably marks a time in American Politics where the split between the isles had been driven way past any possibility of bipartisanship mending any time in the foreseeable future.

We are reaping what we sewed here fellow partisans..

Umm, Kalm is a post partisan, slightly to the right of center, conservative.

Wedgebuster wrote:impeaching Clinton for lying...

I can forgive the BJ, I can't forgive this...

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89Hen wrote:

Wedgebuster wrote:impeaching Clinton for lying...

I can forgive the BJ, I can't forgive this...

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He lied to me. He lied to all of us.

CAA Flagship wrote:

89Hen wrote: I can forgive the BJ, I can't forgive this...

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He lied to me. He lied to all of us.

But it's not a lie if you say it with conviction.

AZGrizFan wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote: He lied to me. He lied to all of us.

But it's not a lie if you say it with conviction.

Kind of like, "read my lips, no new taxes."

AshevilleApp wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
But it's not a lie if you say it with conviction.

Kind of like, "read my lips, no new taxes."

Kind of, but not really. Lying about something that already happened is inexcusable and just plain dumb.

Your example is more like TARP will keep unemployment under 8%.

89Hen wrote:

AshevilleApp wrote:

Kind of like, "read my lips, no new taxes."

Kind of, but not really. Lying about something that already happened is inexcusable and just plain dumb.

Your example is more like TARP will keep unemployment under 8%.

Hey, Asheville: There's only room for one crappy analogy guy, and that position is already filled.

AZGrizFan wrote:

89Hen wrote: Kind of, but not really. Lying about something that already happened is inexcusable and just plain dumb.

Your example is more like TARP will keep unemployment under 8%.

Hey, Asheville: There's only room for one crappy analogy guy, and that position is already filled.

What can I say, I was in a hurry.

89Hen wrote:

Wedgebuster wrote:impeaching Clinton for lying...

I can forgive the BJ, I can't forgive this...

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But you have no problem with all these-

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Makes perfect sense. Now how many of our own kids died because of Clinton's lie?

AZGrizFan wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote: He lied to me. He lied to all of us.

But it's not a lie if you say it with conviction.

And lying under oath will get you impeached and disbarred.

The Republicans have always been the conservative party, and the Democrats have always been the liberal party. But both parties have become more "pure" ideologically. We have virtually no Rockefeller Republicans or conservative "Sam Ervin" Democrats of any prominence left. Even the relatively moderate Democratic Leadership Council is now defunct. Moyers is full of it. Reagan would win the GOP primaries this year in a walk.

Ivytalk wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
But it's not a lie if you say it with conviction.

And lying under oath will get you impeached and disbarred.

The Republicans have always been the conservative party, and the Democrats have always been the liberal party. But both parties have become more "pure" ideologically. We have virtually no Rockefeller Republicans or conservative "Sam Ervin" Democrats of any prominence left. Even the relatively moderate Democratic Leadership Council is now defunct. Moyers is full of it. Reagan would win the GOP primaries this year in a walk.

You really think the two parties are further apart? Pelosi references aside, Harry Reid, Hilary Clinton, Rahm Emmanuel, all of Obama's chiefs of staff and economic team, the blue dogs...those are the types who control the Democratic party. It ain't Dennis Kucinich.

kalm wrote:

Ivytalk wrote:
And lying under oath will get you impeached and disbarred.

The Republicans have always been the conservative party, and the Democrats have always been the liberal party. But both parties have become more "pure" ideologically. We have virtually no Rockefeller Republicans or conservative "Sam Ervin" Democrats of any prominence left. Even the relatively moderate Democratic Leadership Council is now defunct. Moyers is full of it. Reagan would win the GOP primaries this year in a walk.

You really think the two parties are further apart? Pelosi references aside, Harry Reid, Hilary Clinton, Rahm Emmanuel, all of Obama's chiefs of staff and economic team, the blue dogs...those are the types who control the Democratic party. It ain't Dennis Kucinich.

Did you just call Harry Reid and Rahm Emmanuel "blue dogs"?

AZGrizFan wrote:

kalm wrote:
You really think the two parties are further apart? Pelosi references aside, Harry Reid, Hilary Clinton, Rahm Emmanuel, all of Obama's chiefs of staff and economic team, the blue dogs...those are the types who control the Democratic party. It ain't Dennis Kucinich.

Did you just call Harry Reid and Rahm Emmanuel "blue dogs"?

Oh puhhhlease.

The story behind it is that Jack Lew is President Obama’s new chief of staff — arguably the most powerful office in the White House that isn’t shaped like an oval. He used to work for the giant banking conglomerate Citigroup. His predecessor as chief of staff is Bill Daley, who used to work at the giant banking conglomerate JPMorgan Chase, where he was maestro of the bank’s global lobbying and chief liaison to the White House.

Daley replaced Obama’s first chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, who once worked as a rainmaker for the investment bank now known as Wasserstein & Company, where in less than three years he was paid a reported eighteen and a half million dollars

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Yep, ole Rahm is a regular old anti-corporate, anti-establishment, anti-business, pro-labor hippie I tell ya.

Wedgebuster wrote:The loud mouthed evangelists forcing their way into the platforms is about where the Rebublican Party was hijacked.

Wanting to mandate their "morals" and enforce their stupid superstitions through legislative processes has hopelessly branded the party as the party of religious nut bags, crazy women, hypocrites, and old white rich guys.Gingrich and companies insistence on impeaching Clinton for lying about an extramarital blowjob is most laughable at this point, but probably marks a time in American Politics where the split between the isles had been driven way past any possibility of bipartisanship mending any time in the foreseeable future.

We are reaping what we sewed here fellow partisans..

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Wedgebuster wrote:Makes perfect sense. Now how many of our own kids died because of Clinton's lie?

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AZGrizFan wrote:

kalm wrote:
You really think the two parties are further apart? Pelosi references aside, Harry Reid, Hilary Clinton, Rahm Emmanuel, all of Obama's chiefs of staff and economic team, the blue dogs...those are the types who control the Democratic party. It ain't Dennis Kucinich.

Did you just call Harry Reid and Rahm Emmanuel "blue dogs"?

Exactly! kalm, how many "blue dogs" are left? A ton of them lost in 2010. Reid, Emmanuel, Hildabeast, the Obama White House -- all mainstream (or further left) liberals. Don't keep using Kucinich and Bernie "Satch" Sanders to make your points.

89Hen wrote:

Wedgebuster wrote:Makes perfect sense. Now how many of our own kids died because of Clinton's lie?

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I was just gonna go looking for those. Thanks for saving the effort.

89Hen wrote:

Wedgebuster wrote:Makes perfect sense. Now how many of our own kids died because of Clinton's lie?

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Of course, it's funny. Unless it is done by the other side, then it's murder.

Wedgebuster wrote:Of course, it's funny. Unless it is done by the other side, then it's murder.

Blue moons can only be seen at night.

89Hen wrote:As much as the Dems have swung left.

I was about to reply this very same thing as soon as I read Kalm's opening post.

Maybe I should go start a thread "How Far Left?"

Wedgebuster wrote:The loud mouthed evangelists forcing their way into the platforms is about where the Rebublican Party was hijacked.

Wanting to mandate their "morals" and enforce their stupid superstitions through legislative processes has hopelessly branded the party as the party of religious nut bags, crazy women, hypocrites, and old white rich guys.

Gingrich and companies insistence on impeaching Clinton for lying about an extramarital blowjob is most laughable at this point, but probably marks a time in American Politics where the split between the isles had been driven way past any possibility of bipartisanship mending any time in the foreseeable future.

We are reaping what we sewed here fellow partisans..

That's what you lefties keep on claiming. It was about Clinton lying under oath during his deposition in the Paula Jones sexual harrassment civil lawsuit. Doesn't matter what he lied about. You lie in a court of law, that is perjury.