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Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:31 pm
by travelinman67
...money for me, but none for thee.
Nebraska's Ben Nelson, famous for his "Cornhusker Kickback" bribe-for-vote to support Senator Reid's attempt to pass Obamacare (that came with a price tag of $100 million to the other 49 states to cover Nebraska's "waived" contributions in trade for Bribery Ben's vote), has announced he won't run for re-election.
Must want to spend more time with his family...
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70879.html
Good riddance!!!

Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:58 pm
by AZGrizFan
The fact that shit like that is even legal is exhibit A for what's wrong with this country.
Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:17 pm
by CAA Flagship
Exhibit B

Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:44 pm
by Grizalltheway
CAA Flagship wrote:Exhibit B

Nice post, St. Onge!

Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:01 pm
by Ivytalk
Good chance for GOP pickup now, methinks.
Deafening silence from TwinTownOracleMan.

Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:17 pm
by travelinman67
Ivytalk wrote:Good chance for GOP pickup now, methinks.
Deafening silence from TwinTownOracleMan.

Be patient...it's coming.

Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:53 pm
by HI54UNI
Ivytalk wrote:Good chance for GOP pickup now, methinks.
Deafening silence from TwinTownOracleMan.

May have been easier to pick him off then picking up the open seat. Plus the D's don't have to spend more money defending him.
Frickin piece of shit. Sold out to get Obamacare passed and the Nebraska kickback.

Although the kickback got removed in the final version so he sold out America for nothing.

Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:02 pm
by Sarah Palin
Ivytalk wrote:Good chance for GOP pickup now, methinks.
Deafening silence from TwinTownOracleMan.

GOP pick-up, you say? Hmmm. Omaha here I come!
Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:57 pm
by kalm
HI54UNI wrote:Ivytalk wrote:Good chance for GOP pickup now, methinks.
Deafening silence from TwinTownOracleMan.

May have been easier to pick him off then picking up the open seat. Plus the D's don't have to spend more money defending him.
Frickin piece of shit. Sold out to get Obamacare passed and the Nebraska kickback.

Although the kickback got removed in the final version so he sold out America for nothing.

And citizens united will ensure that whoever replaces him, regardless of party, will pull the exact same shit if not worse.
Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:46 am
by Ivytalk
kalm wrote:HI54UNI wrote:
May have been easier to pick him off then picking up the open seat. Plus the D's don't have to spend more money defending him.
Frickin piece of ****. Sold out to get Obamacare passed and the Nebraska kickback.

Although the kickback got removed in the final version so he sold out America for nothing.

And citizens united will ensure that whoever replaces him, regardless of party, will pull the exact same **** if not worse.
Yeah, giving unions free speech rights has been an absolute disaster.

Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:10 am
by kalm
Ivytalk wrote:kalm wrote:
And citizens united will ensure that whoever replaces him, regardless of party, will pull the exact same **** if not worse.
Yeah, giving unions free speech rights has been an absolute disaster.

A union isn't a person either. But please enlighten us, why did Nelson hold Obamacare hostage?

Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:58 am
by Ivytalk
kalm wrote:Ivytalk wrote:
Yeah, giving unions free speech rights has been an absolute disaster.

A union isn't a person either. But please enlighten us, why did Nelson hold Obamacare hostage?

To get a big break for Nebraska -- and to curry favor with its voters -- by having the feds pay its share of Medicaid costs. All politics is local. What's to enlighten?

Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:16 am
by kalm
Ivytalk wrote:kalm wrote:
A union isn't a person either. But please enlighten us, why did Nelson hold Obamacare hostage?

To get a big break for Nebraska -- and to curry favor with its voters -- by having the feds pay its share of Medicaid costs. All politics is local. What's to enlighten?

Yes, it did benefit Nebraska. Any insurance companies based there?

Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:58 am
by TwinTownBisonFan
Ivytalk wrote:Good chance for GOP pickup now, methinks.
Deafening silence from TwinTownOracleMan.

wow... really?
of course it's a pickup opportunity for the GOP... but since Nelson was barely a Dem anyway - and, as T-Man points out - ever so willing to fuck his party (and every taxpayer not from Nebraska) over for his own gains... good riddance. One of two things will result:
the Dems lose the seat - no surprise - and then it's a devil we know, rather than one in our own midst
or
we convince Bob Kerrey to return and take another run at it - in which case we have a chance of holding it... which would be nice.
truth is - Bob Kerrey is probably our only chance - although Scott Kleeb would also be viable (if not victorious) - but I'm not dismayed at losing a disloyal shitbird like Nelson...
While the Dems Senate majority is holding on by a thread - I think its maintainable (despite the enormous pressures that could turn it)
Long-ass analysis below (I'll put it in spoiler for the tl;dr crowd)
- Spoiler: show
- Dems have to defend 22 seats to the GOP's 11 - and the Dems hold a 53-47* majority right now... meaning a swing of 4 puts it in GOP hands (or 3 should they manage to win the White House)
Safe Dems: (10)
Cantwell (WA)
Feinstein (CA)
Klobuchar (MN)
Manchin (WV)
Cardin (MD)
Casey (PA)
Menendez (NJ)
Gillibrand (NY)
Sanders (VT)
Whitehouse (RI)
Safe GOP: (6)
Hatch (UT)
Barasso (WY)
Wicker (MS)
Lugar (IN)
Corker (TN)
Snowe (ME)
Leaning Dem:
Connecticut Open (Murphy/Shays should be close - but Murphy likely keeps this one blue)
Nelson (FL) (The top tier candidates bailed on this race - and the Florida GOP is left with Connie Mack as their best shot)
Brown (OH) (unless polling changes dramatically - Sherrod Brown is moving toward "safe" with double-digit leads already)
Stabenow (MI) (Hoekstra is a real threat, and this race could end up as a toss up... but at this point it's a leaner)
New Mexico Open (no polling suggests this seat is at risk - even with the GOP recruiting a top-tier opponent)
Hawaii Open (Case/Hirono vs. Lingle could end up a toss-up... or just as easily a 10+ point blowout)
Leaning GOP:
Texas Open (Hutchison is retiring - once the field shakes out this should move back to safe GOP)
Arizona Open (This one very likely to end up in the "toss up" column before it's over)
Toss up:
Brown (MA) - Warren may end up making this favored if the race keeps going like this
Virginia Open - Warner/Allen is the matchup politicos have been waiting a decade for...
Wisconsin Open - Thompson/Baldwin is a real donnybrook in the making
McCaskill (MO) - quality opponents and a state likely not to be a Dem battleground don't do the Dem incumbent any favors
North Dakota Open - Heidi Heitkamp is opening up a lead in the polls - and Rick Berg, while viable - faces a significant enthusiasm gap as ND Dems are fired up to keep Conrad's seat and defeat the guy who last year beat Earl Pomeroy for the state's Congressional seat
Tester (MT) - Tester/Rehberg will be a brawl
Heller (NV) - Berkley is an elite candidate and Nevada is a huge target in the Presidential race... both factors make this a tempting Dem target - polling shows it neck and neck right now
Takeover GOP:
Nebraska Open - Unless Bob Kerrey gets in - this seat is a goner
At this point - there is only one seeming lead-pipe lock for a takeover
The Dems have 5 seats in "toss-up" country - the GOP has 2
The Dems have 5 leaners to the GOP's 2
While the GOP has some reason to be excited - with a slim majority for the Dems and a target rich environment... pulling 3 over and Nebraska - without losing anything (especially Mass or NV) is a tall order.
Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:23 am
by AZGrizFan
Leaning GOP:
Texas Open (Hutchison is retiring - once the field shakes out this should move back to safe GOP)
Arizona Open (This one very likely to end up in the "toss up" column before it's over)
It'll be a cold day in hell before AZ elects a donk senator.

Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:39 am
by TwinTownBisonFan
AZGrizFan wrote:Leaning GOP:
Texas Open (Hutchison is retiring - once the field shakes out this should move back to safe GOP)
Arizona Open (This one very likely to end up in the "toss up" column before it's over)
It'll be a cold day in hell before AZ elects a donk senator.

Normally, I'd agree with you - but four factors are at work that change that equation.
1. Open Seat
2. GOP running Jeff Flake...
3. Presidential campaign that will have significant efforts in Arizona
4. Changing demographics and dynamics (like SB1070) that will make it tougher for the GOP than before
Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:51 am
by dbackjon
AZGrizFan wrote:Leaning GOP:
Texas Open (Hutchison is retiring - once the field shakes out this should move back to safe GOP)
Arizona Open (This one very likely to end up in the "toss up" column before it's over)
It'll be a cold day in hell before AZ elects a donk senator.

We can only hope...
Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:42 am
by travelinman67
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
It'll be a cold day in hell before AZ elects a donk senator.

Normally, I'd agree with you - but four factors are at work that change that equation.
1. Open Seat
2. GOP running Jeff Flake...
3. Presidential campaign that will have significant efforts in Arizona
4. Changing demographics and dynamics (like SB1070) that will make it tougher for the GOP than before
Sure thing, UNHDeludedcat.

Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:13 pm
by AZGrizFan
dbackjon wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
It'll be a cold day in hell before AZ elects a donk senator.

We can only hope...
That's about all you can do. Maybe you could get some "change" too.

Re: Bribe-me Ben Nelson Retiring From Senate
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:24 pm
by TwinTownBisonFan
travelinman67 wrote:TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
Normally, I'd agree with you - but four factors are at work that change that equation.
1. Open Seat
2. GOP running Jeff Flake...
3. Presidential campaign that will have significant efforts in Arizona
4. Changing demographics and dynamics (like SB1070) that will make it tougher for the GOP than before
Sure thing, UNHDeludedcat.

I don't list it as a toss up for a reason there spanky... AZ is a big hill to climb, no doubt... but all of those elements make the race competitive - what it will require is a Dem who can take advantage of those factors, and the GOP to splutter - or take it for granted (they wouldn't be the first party in history to stub their toe like that)