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At many stages in the advance of humanity, this conflict between the men who possess more than they have earned and the men who have earned more than they possess is the central condition of progress. In our day it appears as the struggle of free men to gain and hold the right of self-government as against the special interests, who twist the methods of free government into machinery for defeating the popular will. At every stage, and under all circumstances, the essence of the struggle is to equalize opportunity, destroy privilege, and give to the life and citizenship of every individual the highest possible value both to himself and to the commonwealth. That is nothing new. All I ask in civil life is what you fought for in the Civil War. I ask that civil life be carried on according to the spirit in which the army was carried on. You never get perfect justice, but the effort in handling the army was to bring to the front the men who could do the job. Nobody grudged promotion to Grant, or Sherman, or Thomas, or Sheridan, because they earned it. The only complaint was when a man got promotion which he did not earn.

Practical equality of opportunity for all citizens, when we achieve it, will have two great results. First, every man will have a fair chance to make of himself all that in him lies; to reach the highest point to which his capacities, unassisted by special privilege of his own and unhampered by the special privilege of others, can carry him, and to get for himself and his family substantially what he has earned. Second, equality of opportunity means that the commonwealth will get from every citizen the highest service of which he is capable. No man who carries the burden of the special privileges of another can give to the commonwealth that service to which it is fairly entitled.

GannonFan wrote:I've lost faith in Obama. I probably won't vote for him again, but unclear if I'll even vote for anyone as the options are obviously scant. He sounds and acts just like any other politician - sometimes with better speeches, but almost always with the same effect.

Interesting, though, that while he tried to emulate TR's speech, it differed in that all important distinction. TR was talking about the need for equal opportunity. Obama's speech comes off as the need for equal outcome. Certainly not the first time things have fallen on either side of that issue.

GannonFan wrote:I've lost faith in Obama. I probably won't vote for him again, but unclear if I'll even vote for anyone as the options are obviously scant. He sounds and acts just like any other politician - sometimes with better speeches, but almost always with the same effect.

Interesting, though, that while he tried to emulate TR's speech, it differed in that all important distinction. TR was talking about the need for equal opportunity. Obama's speech comes off as the need for equal outcome. Certainly not the first time things have fallen on either side of that issue.

kalm wrote:
Yep, that was one TR's most endearing qualities. A willingness to roll up your sleeves and earn it. BTW, he was suggesting that for both the haves and the have nots. He recognized that entrenched wealth also led to undeserved gains.

"At many stages in the advance of humanity, this conflict between the men who possess more than they have earned and the men who have earned more than they possess is the central condition of progress."

GannonFan wrote:I've lost faith in Obama. I probably won't vote for him again,

CAA Flagship wrote:

GannonFan wrote:I've lost faith in Obama. I probably won't vote for him again,

So you are saying you once had faith in Obama? To do what? What was it that you hoped he would do? Just curious.

CAA Flagship wrote:

GannonFan wrote:I've lost faith in Obama. I probably won't vote for him again,

So you are saying you once had faith in Obama? To do what? What was it that you hoped he would do? Just curious.

GannonFan wrote:If there is a bright side, I didn't think I really had an alternative even then - McCain's fine as a Senator, especially for a state I don't live in, but I think he would've been an awful President - so taking a leap with Obama wasn't that much of a risk. On the downside, I don't think I really have an alternative again this election coming up.

kalm wrote:Clueless

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AZGrizFan wrote:

kalm wrote:Clueless

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The truth is a bitch, ain't it? But Obama's press secretaries have never let the truth get in the way of a good press conference.

UNI88 wrote: ...Obama's Hopium ...

kalm wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
The truth is a bitch, ain't it? But Obama's press secretaries have never let the truth get in the way of a good press conference.

The truth was apparent one week into office when he appointed Geithner and hired summers. It's just amazing how publicly out of step his administration is with reality.