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Conk Paradise
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:41 pm
by hank scorpio
30 companies paid 'less than zero' taxes in recent years
By Marisa Taylor
General Electric made big waves earlier in the year when The New York Times reported that the company paid no taxes in the U.S. in 2010, and in fact claimed a tax benefit of $3.2 billion.
How could a company that made $14.2 billion in profits worldwide avoid paying taxes? G.E. wasn’t the only one, according to a new report released on Thursday by the Citizens for Tax Justice and the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. The two advocacy groups, which could be fairly described as left-leaning, claim that among the 280 most profitable U.S. companies, 30 of them paid “less than zero” in taxes in the last three years, and 78 of the companies didn’t pay any federal income tax in at least one of the last three years.
The report comes as a bipartisan committee of six Republicans and six Democrats struggles to reach an agreement over how to cut the U.S. budget deficit. The so-called "supercommittee" has to come up with a deal by Nov. 23 to save at least $1.2 trillion over 10 years, or risk tripping automatic budget cuts that would slice deeply into spending for defense and for domestic prorgams. So far, the panel remains divided over the issue of whether to raise taxes; Democrats insist on raising revenues and Republicans are against any increases.
While the statutory tax rate for corporations in the U.S. is 35 percent, the report says companies use legal tax loopholes and move business offshore to evade taxes. As a result, the average tax rate for all 280 companies was 18.5 percent over the last three years. Only 71 of the 280 companies, or about 25 percent, paid more than 30 percent in taxes over the three years, with an average tax rate of 32.3 percent.
Power company Pepco Holdings apparently had the lowest tax rate, at negative 57.6 percent. The report said some companies came up with so many tax breaks that their taxes were in effect "negative," and they even received tax rebate checks from the U.S. Treasury. It explained that "negative tax rates" mean that the company made more after taxes than before taxes.
Wells Fargo received the most in tax subsidies among all 280 companies, raking in nearly $18 billion in tax breaks in the last three years. All 280 companies took in a combined $222.7 billion in tax subsidies over the last three years.
With respect to industry, the report found that industrial machinery companies had the lowest effective tax rate within the last three years, with an average federal income tax rate of negative 13.5 percent. And 16.8 percent of all federal tax subsidies went to financial services, the largest share of any industry; financial services, along with utilities, telecom and oil and gas were the four industries that received more than half of the corporate tax subsidies.
“This is not an ‘anti-business’ report,” the authors of the study wrote. “On the contrary, we, like most Americans, want our businesses to do well…. But we also need a much better balance when it comes to taxes. Just as workers pay their fair share of taxes on their earnings, so should successful businesses pay their fair share on their success.
"But today corporate tax loopholes are so out of control that most Americans can rightfully complain, ‘I pay more federal income taxes than General Electric, Boeing, DuPont, Wells Fargo, Verizon, etc., etc., all put together.’”
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Re: Conk Paradise
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:52 pm
by 93henfan
Poor corporations. Just like millionaires, they really take the brunt of all the tax pain in this country.
I do feel sorry for them.
Re: Conk Paradise
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:27 pm
by hank scorpio
Re: Conk Paradise
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:49 pm
by Wedgebuster
"Ah I feel the trickle down come a tumblin' down."
Re: Conk Paradise
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:37 pm
by ODUsmitty
And yet the head of President Obama's Economic Advisory Council is no other than Jeffery Immelt, head of General Electric, which paid how much in federal taxes last year?
That's right, a big fucking zero!
Re: Conk Paradise
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:55 pm
by D1B
JayBilasBitesPillows wrote:And yet the head of President Obama's Economic Advisory Council is no other than Jeffery Immelt, head of General Electric, which paid how much in federal taxes last year?
That's right, a big fucking zero!

Re: Conk Paradise
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:05 am
by kalm
JayBilasBitesPillows wrote:And yet the head of President Obama's Economic Advisory Council is no other than Jeffery Immelt, head of General Electric, which paid how much in federal taxes last year?
That's right, a big fucking zero!
But, but, but the US has the 2nd highest corporate tax rates in the world.

Re: Conk Paradise
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:54 am
by CID1990
this thread wasted my time
Re: Conk Paradise
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:36 pm
by JohnStOnge
The problem with the "GE paid no taxes" story is that it is not true. I've been meaning to go ahead and do a Google on it for some time because I know it's very unlikely that they didn't pay any Federal taxes. So I finally did it when I saw this thread and found this article:
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Here is a quote:
Did GE get a $3.2 billion tax refund? No.
Did GE pay U.S. income taxes in 2010? Yes, it paid estimated taxes for 2010, and also made payments for previous years. Think of it as your having paid withholding taxes on your salary in 2010, and sending the IRS a check on April 15, 2010, covering your balance owed for 2009.
Will GE ultimately pay U.S. income taxes for 2010? After much to-ing and fro-ing -- the company says it hasn't completed its 2010 tax return -- GE now says that it will pay tax. (For more on GE's tax strategies, see GE's taxes: A case study)
But it is so easy to demagogue with respect to "faceless" corporations and exploit the class envy resentment that I'm sure this kind of thing of establishing false impressions will continue.
Re: Conk Paradise
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:47 pm
by JohnStOnge
Really guys, any time you see one of these things about corporations not paying taxes you ought to take it with a grain of salt and assume it's not true until you wait for the dust to settle and verify. It's like a few years ago Exxon had a big profit and there was this spate of articles about how little they paid in taxes. So I made the effort to look some things up and, sure enough, they paid a whole BUNCH of taxes because they pay all sorts of different kinds of taxes other than income taxes.
Besides, corporate taxes are double taxes. The people within the corporation also paid taxes on any "income" they get from the corporation. Another thing is that, in the final analysis, the corporation's customers pay the corporate taxes. It's part of the cost of doing business. This thing of thinking, "OH, we're really GETTING the evil corporations by making them pay taxes" is a pointless "feel good" exercise relating to resenting people for making money.