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Grizalltheway wrote:Just wait until them whales unionize. Then SeaWorld is REALLY fucked.

GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:I am a proud member of PETA.



People for the Eating of Tasty Animals.

CID1990 wrote:

GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:I am a proud member of PETA.



People for the Eating of Tasty Animals.

After all, if God did not intend for us to eat animals, he would not have made them out of meat.

Ibanez wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
After all, if God did not intend for us to eat animals, he would not have made them out of meat.

Why are some animals ok to eat (cow, lamb, pig) but other animals we wouldn't (dog, cat)?

JohnStOnge wrote:I have said for decades...literally...that a line should have been drawn in the sand long ago. That line should say, "Animals have no rights."

Animals, whether they are dogs or cats or horses or pigs or chickens or whatever, should be viewed as property. Unless of course they are wild. But wild animals shouldn't be viewed as having rights either.

Only human beings should be viewed as having rights. As soon as somebody decided that we should say animals have rights we started down a slippery slope. And we have also gotten pretty darned ridiculous.

Like worrying about whether or not people make their chickens fight each other. Please. I was watching something on that the other night. BIG deal because someone was....GASP...having cockfights. Yet we eat tens of milliions of chickens every day. So, like, it's better to be bred to be eaten than to be bred to fight?

Something is wrong with that picture.

JohnStOnge wrote:I have said for decades...literally...that a line should have been drawn in the sand long ago. That line should say, "Animals have no rights."

Animals, whether they are dogs or cats or horses or pigs or chickens or whatever, should be viewed as property. Unless of course they are wild. But wild animals shouldn't be viewed as having rights either.

Only human beings should be viewed as having rights. As soon as somebody decided that we should say animals have rights we started down a slippery slope. And we have also gotten pretty darned ridiculous.

Like worrying about whether or not people make their chickens fight each other. Please. I was watching something on that the other night. BIG deal because someone was....GASP...having cockfights. Yet we eat tens of milliions of chickens every day. So, like, it's better to be bred to be eaten than to be bred to fight?

Something is wrong with that picture.

Having said that, JSO... what are the traits ascribed to humans that you believe separate us from the rest of animals?

So I ask you, what makes you so **** special?

JohnStOnge wrote:

Having said that, JSO... what are the traits ascribed to humans that you believe separate us from the rest of animals?

It's not really about traits that separate us per se. Sure, we are by far the most intelligent species and we can obviously do things no other species can do. But it's practicality and self interest.

When you open the door to the idea that other species have rights you are opening a very dangerous door. We eat other animals. We use them in various ways. And there is no reason, self interest wise, to establish rules about how people treat or use their animals.

If you want to be nice to your dog, for instance, I applaud you. That's great. I'm nice to my dogs.

But how does it affect you for someone else to be mean to THEIR dog? It doesn't.

And the stuff about animal cruelty "causing" violence against other humans is not established. There's no real evidence of that. Associations? Maybe. But the associations can be potentially explained by the hypothesis that people who are mean to animals also have character traits that lead to them being violent towards other humans. Stopping them from being mean to animals, in that case, won't mean they will be less likely to commit violence against other humans.

In his famous series of 1751 engravings, “The Four Stages of Cruelty,” William Hogarth traced the life path of the fictional Tom Nero: Stage 1 depicts Tom as a boy, torturing a dog; Stage 4 shows Tom’s body, fresh from the gallows where he was hanged for murder, being dissected in an anatomical theater. And animal cruelty has long been recognized as a signature pathology of the most serious violent offenders. As a boy, Jeffrey Dahmer impaled the heads of cats and dogs on sticks; Theodore Bundy, implicated in the murders of some three dozen people, told of watching his grandfather torture animals; David Berkowitz, the “Son of Sam,” poisoned his mother’s parakeet.

The link between animal abuse and interpersonal violence is becoming so well established that many U.S. communities now cross-train social-service and animal-control agencies in how to recognize signs of animal abuse as possible indicators of other abusive behaviors. In Illinois and several other states, new laws mandate that veterinarians notify the police if their suspicions are aroused by the condition of the animals they treat. The state of California recently added Humane Society and animal-control officers to the list of professionals bound by law to report suspected child abuse and is now considering a bill in the State Legislature that would list animal abusers on the same type of online registry as sex offenders and arsonists.

JohnStOnge wrote:

So I ask you, what makes you so **** special?

Do you see any animals that are not Homo sapiens on this message board? Do you see other species inventing computers? Sending spacecraft into the solar system? Coming up with a system of mathematics? Written language? Telephones? Automobiles?

Get serious dude.

Increasingly, scientists find that crows and their relatives have exceptional birdbrains, proving extraordinarily adept at crafting twigs, leaves and even their own feathers into tools. Researchers have even discovered that crows might learn to drop stones in pitchers to raise the height of water inside, just like in Aesop's fable.

Elephants are among the most intelligent animals in the world, with brains larger than those of any other land animal. Anecdotes suggest they can intentionally drop logs or rocks on electric fences to short them out and plug up water holes with balls of chewed bark to keep other animals from drinking them away. Asian elephants are even known to systematically modify branches to swat at flies, breaking them down to ideal lengths for attacking the insects

Macaques living near a Buddhist shrine in Lopburi, Thailand, are known to pull out hair from visitors to use as floss to clean their mouths. Females even slow down and exaggerate their motions when they notice their young watching them jerking hair back and forth between their teeth, suggesting education is a very ancient trait in the primate lineage.

Recent studies, however, have uncovered new instances of a counting skill in different species, suggesting that mathematical abilities could be more fundamental in biology than previously thought. Under certain conditions, monkeys could sometimes outperform college students.

What makes us so **** different(other than our intelligence level).

When did we figure out that malaria comes from the mosquito?

Are you a religious man John?

JohnStOnge wrote:

When did we figure out that malaria comes from the mosquito?

I'm not going to look that up because it isn't necessary. When did any other species even figure out that some disease is caused by a parasite or some other pathogen? Ever.

We are distinctly different.

JohnStOnge wrote:

What makes us so **** different(other than our intelligence level).

That's a pretty significant "other than." Look around you. Look at the environment you're in right now. If you're reading this you're using some kind of computer. You're in a building of some sort. Probably climate controlled. I could go on but you get the point.

Our species is distinctly different. There is no real comparison.

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:JSO has been in rare form with his inanities of late... this one and the Salmon Thread - all in one week... wow.