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I'm no Economist...

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:58 pm
by kalm
:mrgreen:

But Simon Johnson definitely is and he makes some great points about the growth crisis and consolidation of power. And for Gannon, it also has some suggestions for innovation.

Growth Crisis

Instead, our crisis has two dimensions. First, we have a growth crisis. My MIT colleague, Daron Acemoglu, in a blog post on the Harvard Business Review website, makes the point vividly. In his view, one percentage point extra growth per year for the next 20 years would fix the U.S.’s budget problems. If we could manage to increase our growth rate from 2 percent a year to, say, 3 percent over the long haul, that would greatly boost average incomes, as well as tax revenue.

Acemoglu also argues that the U.S. economy can grow through innovation, but only if U.S. policies foster more basic scientific research and more effective commercialization of technology. The U.S. also needs to improve its patent system and allow more skilled foreign workers into the country, Acemoglu says.

The general policy mood may be shifting in this direction. Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor, and Kevin Warsh, a former Federal Reserve governor, made similar points in a Wall Street Journal op-ed last week. Bush’s rhetoric was suitably vague for someone who is likely to run for president in 2016. Bush and Warsh felt the need to repeat the mantra of the day, “Cutting spending is essential,” and then quickly made the right point: “But we will never cut our way to prosperity.”

Income Distribution

Restoring growth is not easy because of a second, more debilitating element -- a paralyzing fight over the distribution of income, in which powerful people can block the government from doing anything sensible if that is against their narrow interest.

This dynamic can be seen in the debate over who will foot the bill for the 2008 financial crisis, which caused a deep recession that pushed up the federal government’s medium-term debt -- what we should expect by 2018 for example -- by about 50 percent of gross domestic product. (You can check the Congressional Budget Office numbers yourself; start with points 9 and 10 in my testimony to a July 13 joint hearing of the Senate Finance and House Ways and Means committees. The testimony was not refuted.)

Someone Pays

To control future debt levels, someone has to pay for that fiasco. But people in high-income brackets, working with various allies, have dug a brilliant defense against tax increases in the form of the Tea Party. Backed by 30 percent of the population, this group exploits the broad design of the U.S. Constitution, which gives well-organized minorities an effective veto power over major policy changes. The result is that, instead of letting President George W. Bush’s tax cuts for the rich expire, we are headed for deep spending cuts that disproportionately affect the less-well-off.

More generally, powerful lobbies have amassed great privilege in the political system, and they can’t be easily moved from their positions. For example, Jeb Bush and Warsh say, quite reasonably, “If banks are ‘too big to fail,’ they are too big. They must be allowed to succeed or fail on their own merit, without any hint of government support.” But there is precisely no chance that Congress, the Federal Reserve or the executive branch will end the subsidies that undergird big banks, and that keep them in business through essentially free insurance against downside risk. Watch Bank of America in the weeks ahead for the next demonstration of what it means to be too big to fail.

(Simon Johnson, who served as chief economist at the International Monetary Fund in 2007 and 2008, and is now a Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor and a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, is a Bloomberg View columnist. The opinions expressed are his own.)

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Re: I'm no Economist...

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:09 pm
by Cap'n Cat
We're all fvcked. It's hopeless now. We will never create enough good jobs for everyone who needs one. We can't all be happy delivering pizzas to each other as in Perry's Texas.

Armed uprisings begin in May of 2012.


:coffee:

Re: I'm no Economist...

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:15 pm
by 93henfan
Cap'n Cat wrote:Armed uprisings begin in May of 2012.


:coffee:

I'm ready! :thumb:

Re: I'm no Economist...

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:28 pm
by free7694
93henfan wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:Armed uprisings begin in May of 2012.


:coffee:

I'm ready! :thumb:
I've heard worse ideas. Re-electing Barack Obama is among them.

Re: I'm no Economist...

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:36 pm
by GannonFan
I've been an advocate of a more open immigration policy, especially one that targets well educated technical professionals into the country. I'm all on board on that. :thumb:

Re: I'm no Economist...

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:46 pm
by kalm
GannonFan wrote:I've been an advocate of a more open immigration policy, especially one that targets well educated technical professionals into the country. I'm all on board on that. :thumb:
If its need yes, but that's also something we should be able create here. Not a good sign.

Re: I'm no Economist...

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:49 pm
by Cap'n Cat
GannonFan wrote:I've been an advocate of a more open immigration policy, especially one that targets well educated technical professionals into the country. I'm all on board on that. :thumb:


Good idea in theory, Fanny, but them folks don't meet the "huddled masses" requirement on that stat-yoo in New York! It's dis-crim-in-a-tory.


Better watch what you say here, too. Some of those people you're talking about have a decidedly darker hue of the skin, if ya know what I mean and your Conk friends don't like that.....

:nod:

Re: I'm no Economist...

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:51 pm
by HI54UNI
93henfan wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:Armed uprisings begin in May of 2012.


:coffee:

I'm ready! :thumb:
Will you take the guns back to the store in June? ;)

Re: I'm no Economist...

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:55 pm
by Ivytalk
Very interesting article, especially when you open up the whole thing. Johnson does offer some encouraging thoughts about how to restore higher economic growth, and the recent reform of the patent laws is a step in the right direction. But he also suggests that there may be a Constitutional flaw that has somehow resulted in giving a "privileged oligarchy" too much power. I don't see any evidence of a rich cabal manipulating the "Tea Party" -- to the extent it can be categorized as a bloc -- to obstruct changes in income distribution. Most studies of the Tea Party that I've read emphasize its fragmentation on issues, not its being a "monolith." TP opposition to higher taxes does not translate into blanket TP support for entitlement reform. I might just run out and buy a copy of that book by his colleagues that he refers to in the article. :nod:

Re: I'm no Economist...

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:27 pm
by GannonFan
kalm wrote:
GannonFan wrote:I've been an advocate of a more open immigration policy, especially one that targets well educated technical professionals into the country. I'm all on board on that. :thumb:
If its need yes, but that's also something we should be able create here. Not a good sign.
Not really - heck, a lot of that is being created here since so many of these people come here to study, only to have to go home when they have their degree because we've decided we don't want to have too many of "them" here. We've always been a nation of immigrants and we've often had them be one of the larger sources of our innovation - I don't see why we think we shouldn't do that now. No reason to get nativist on us here, kalm, we'll take smart people no matter where they are from. :thumb:

Re: I'm no Economist...

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:59 pm
by Wedgebuster
A read that I have not yet read-
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The answers can be found in our own history. Book referred to us by a well respected poster here, plan to get going on it as soon as I pick up a copy.

Re: I'm no Economist...

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:48 pm
by CID1990
I like the assertion that the Tea Party was somehow intentionally "engineered" by the financial elite.

That's good stuff there.

Expandos you might want to get ahold of this one; he's just like you.

Re: I'm no Economist...

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:41 pm
by kalm
CID1990 wrote:I like the assertion that the Tea Party was somehow intentionally "engineered" by the financial elite.

That's good stuff there.

Expandos you might want to get ahold of this one; he's just like you.
Tea party and tea party candidate financing is so transparent these days it's not even much of a story any more. :coffee:

Re: I'm no Economist...

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:58 pm
by ∞∞∞
-Stop telling kids go to school for useless degrees.
-Push kids into technical colleges and engineering/science/math majors.
-Return to a technology/manufacturing economy.
-Invest heavily into the space program...land an astronaut on Mars and the Moon. Give the population, especially kids, something to be proud of...something they can look up to...something that'll make them love the sciences again. You can't rally people around wars in the long-run, but you can rally them behind a noble cause like space exploration (man's ultimate frontier). I think the intangible benefits will far outweigh the monetary costs.

Re: I'm no Economist...

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:19 am
by native
∞∞∞ wrote:-Stop telling kids go to school for useless degrees.
-Push kids into technical colleges and engineering/science/math majors.
-Return to a technology/manufacturing economy.
-Invest heavily into the space program...land an astronaut on Mars and the Moon. Give the population, especially kids, something to be proud of...something they can look up to...something that'll make them love the sciences again. You can't rally people around wars in the long-run, but you can rally them behind a noble cause like space exploration (man's ultimate frontier). I think the intangible benefits will far outweigh the monetary costs.
:thumb:

Re: I'm no Economist...

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:18 am
by 93henfan
HI54UNI wrote:
93henfan wrote:

I'm ready! :thumb:
Will you take the guns back to the store in June? ;)
:lol: That's one thing I've bought a lot of and never taken back.

Re: I'm no Economist...

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:22 am
by Cap'n Cat
∞∞∞ wrote:-Stop telling kids go to school for useless degrees.
-Push kids into technical colleges and engineering/science/math majors.
-Return to a technology/manufacturing economy.
-Invest heavily into the space program...land an astronaut on Mars and the Moon. Give the population, especially kids, something to be proud of...something they can look up to...something that'll make them love the sciences again. You can't rally people around wars in the long-run, but you can rally them behind a noble cause like space exploration (man's ultimate frontier). I think the intangible benefits will far outweigh the monetary costs.


Purty good, whatsurname.

:nod:

Re: I'm no Economist...

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:20 am
by CID1990
Cap'n Cat wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:-Stop telling kids go to school for useless degrees.
-Push kids into technical colleges and engineering/science/math majors.
-Return to a technology/manufacturing economy.
-Invest heavily into the space program...land an astronaut on Mars and the Moon. Give the population, especially kids, something to be proud of...something they can look up to...something that'll make them love the sciences again. You can't rally people around wars in the long-run, but you can rally them behind a noble cause like space exploration (man's ultimate frontier). I think the intangible benefits will far outweigh the monetary costs.


Purty good, whatsurname.

:nod:
Restart Constellation.

Re: I'm no Economist...

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:17 am
by ∞∞∞
CID1990 wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:


Purty good, whatsurname.

:nod:
Restart Constellation.
Agreed, but not only that though. Something like the large hadron collider should've been built in the US, we shouldn't even be considering the cancellation of the James Webb Telescope, and the Asian's shouldn't be leading the design and possible construction of the space elevator.

We need to showcase our technological prowess. Let's set a timeline to find the cure to cancer and AIDS and let's accomplish it. Let's start reviving extinct animals...hell, make a zoo of it! What about all those crogenically frozen dead people...why not actually see if we can revive a few of 'em? I love the fact there's gonna be a 55 MPG standard by 2025, or that the largest wind and solar farms are located in the US...that's the stuff we should be striving for. Let's make the amazing happen...let our imaginations flow...prove that we're still the best of the best. :thumb: