Great move. Looks like the chances of the international court taking this on are slim, but the strategy of shaming national courts for protecting high ranking catholic criminals is strong.
AP)
THE HAGUE, Netherlands - Clergy sex abuse victims upset that no high-ranking Roman Catholic leaders have been prosecuted for sheltering guilty priests have turned to the International Criminal Court, seeking an investigation of the pope and top Vatican cardinals for possible crimes against humanity.
This is as ludicrous as when dopes like Hitchens and Dawkins threatened to sign an arrest warrant against the pope when he visited England last year.
Just because a propaganda group like SNAP, which is nothing more than a litigation front for Jeffrey Anderson, Inc., files charges doesn't mean the Hague will do anything about it.
What this actually shows is that, as more US courts continue to reject the claim that the Vatican orchestrated a world-wide system of abuse, those with a financial interest in this litigation are getting more desperate.
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:18 am
by D1B
JoltinJoe wrote:This is as ludicrous as when dopes like Hitchens and Dawkins threatened to sign an arrest warrant against the pope when he visited England last year.
Just because a propaganda group like SNAP, which is nothing more than a litigation front for Jeffrey Anderson, Inc., files charges doesn't mean the Hague will do anything about it.
What this actually shows is that, as more US courts continue to reject the claim that the Vatican orchestrated a world-wide system of abuse, those with a financial interest in this litigation are getting more desperate.
Ludicrous to apologists like you, but not to the thousands upon thousands of children who have been molested by your priests, who were protected by your bishops, cardinals and popes.
Courts are not rejecting the claim that the Vatican fostered an environment conducive to massive child molestation. This is pretty much common knowledge. Us courts reject the case, because there is nothing they can do about it, because the Vatican hides behind bullshit soveirngty laws, statute of limitations, diplomatic immunity and whatever else their million dollar lawyers can come up with.
The vatican is untouchable, but this does not mean that it did not run a pedophile factory for centuries.
The subject of this thread is a response born of frustration on the part of the victims and victim rights groups. I agree, nothing will come of it, but the message is valid.
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:09 am
by JoltinJoe
This "no one will do anything about it because they afraid of the Catholic Church" shtick is ridiculous.
Culpable American dioceses have been ordered by the courts to pay billions in compensation because of accusations which have been provable. When there is proof of wrongdoing, the American courts have provided relief.
The reason American courts have giving no redress to these claims to implicate the Vatican itself is because the claims are empty.
What is really going on is that the attorneys have mined all the valuable claims, but still want more money, and so now they are trying to hit up the Vatican instead of the dioceses. And they are getting nowhere because they have empty proofs. So publicity stunts like this are now the norm.
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:14 pm
by D1B
JoltinJoe wrote:This "no one will do anything about it because they afraid of the Catholic Church" shtick is ridiculous.
Culpable American dioceses have been ordered by the courts to pay billions in compensation because of accusations which have been provable. When there is proof of wrongdoing, the American courts have provided relief.
The reason American courts have giving no redress to these claims to implicate the Vatican itself is because the claims are empty.
What is really going on is that the attorneys have mined all the valuable claims, but still want more money, and so now they are trying to hit up the Vatican instead of the dioceses. And they are getting nowhere because they have empty proofs. So publicity stunts like this are now the norm.
Joe, the horde is at the gate.
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:53 pm
by D1B
I remember not too long ago, catholic apologists were claiming the church pedophile crisis was solely an American issue. Jesus, just got done perusing some articles and major scandals have or are breaking out in Canada, Ireland, Switzerland, Germany, England, New Zealand, Brazil, Australia, France and Belgium.
One in Amsterdam particularly heinous:
9/15/2011 AMSTERDAM — A Dutch newspaper reports that the dean who took over a Catholic institute for mentally handicapped youths after 34 boys mysteriously died there in the 1950s was himself later convicted of molesting boys.
De Limburger newspaper said Saturday it has obtained Victor Tilleman’s 1967 appeals conviction for multiple cases of “sexual abuse of a minor entrusted to his care.” Tilleman died in 1980.
Tilleman arrived at St. Joseph’s institute in the southern town of Heel in 1954, after a three-year period in which deaths there had skyrocketed. Former nurses at the school say an unidentified Catholic brother left under a cloud of suspicion in the deaths.
Yep, just isolated incidents. No coordinated system of protection for pedophiles and the covering up of crimes by the Vatican.....
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:36 am
by D1B
No bishop or cardinal has ever been punished or excommunicated from the church for their prominent roles in fostering child abuse and rape worldwide in the catholic church.
Check out around 2:05 where the pope actually slaps a reporter for asking a question about his role in the massive cover up. How shameful, this fuck nut runs the catholic church and used to be viewed as holy and infallible!
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Amazing, all this shit happened in the last 50-100 years. Can you imagine the hell that was taking place in the middle ages?
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:18 am
by D1B
JoltinJoe wrote:
Just because a propaganda group like SNAP, which is nothing more than a litigation front for Jeffrey Anderson, Inc., files charges doesn't mean the Hague will do anything about it.
Pretty strong statement. Got some proof Joe?
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:54 am
by Appaholic
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:59 am
by D1B
Appaholic wrote:
Don't read my threads retardo.
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:20 am
by Appaholic
D1B wrote:
Appaholic wrote:
Don't read my threads retardo.
....or, you & your lame schtick could retire again
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:35 am
by D1B
Appaholic wrote:
D1B wrote:
Don't read my threads retardo.
....or, you & your lame schtick could retire again
Or you and the other pussies here can grow a set and start taking on big religion. Talk about a threat to freedom.
The pope was just charged with crimes against humanity last week.
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:51 am
by Appaholic
D1B wrote:
Appaholic wrote:
....or, you & your lame schtick could retire again
Or you and the other pussies here can grow a set and start taking on big religion.....
...on a MESSAGE BOARD?!?...... bwaAAAAAAAA!!!! You keep fighting the good fight, D. I'm sure the Vatican, as well as Big Oil, Big Coal & Big Solar, make it a point to check the opinions of Middle America by scanning various football message boards....you know, you're kind of a big deal and they realize that....
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:53 am
by grizzaholic
Appaholic wrote:
D1B wrote:
Or you and the other pussies here can grow a set and start taking on big religion.....
...on a MESSAGE BOARD?!?...... bwaAAAAAAAA!!!! You keep fighting the good fight, D. I'm sure the Vatican, as well as Big Oil, Big Coal & Big Solar, make it a point to check the opinions of Middle America by scanning various football message boards....you know, you're kind of a big deal and they realize that....
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:25 am
by D1B
Appaholic wrote:
D1B wrote:
Or you and the other pussies here can grow a set and start taking on big religion.....
...on a MESSAGE BOARD?!?...... bwaAAAAAAAA!!!! You keep fighting the good fight, D. I'm sure the Vatican, as well as Big Oil, Big Coal & Big Solar, make it a point to check the opinions of Middle America by scanning various football message boards....you know, you're kind of a big deal and they realize that....
Hey don't read my threads, you fucking retard. Mof, stay off the political board, cuz nothing can come of discourse here, right?
Go start another ass eating thread in the Lounge, you buffoon.
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:35 am
by andy7171
D1B wrote:
Appaholic wrote:
...on a MESSAGE BOARD?!?...... bwaAAAAAAAA!!!! You keep fighting the good fight, D. I'm sure the Vatican, as well as Big Oil, Big Coal & Big Solar, make it a point to check the opinions of Middle America by scanning various football message boards....you know, you're kind of a big deal and they realize that....
Hey don't read my threads, you fucking retard. Mof, stay off the political board, cuz nothing can come of discourse here, right?
Go start another ass eating thread in the Lounge, you buffoon.
quote fail
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:49 am
by Appaholic
andy7171 wrote:
D1B wrote:
Hey don't read my threads, you fucking retard. Mof, stay off the political board, cuz nothing can come of discourse here, right?
Go start another ass eating thread in the Lounge, you buffoon.
quote fail
What a fokking rookie....Andy, take care of my light work....well, with D, outside of his critical thinking & debate "skills", is anything light?
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:51 am
by Appaholic
D1B wrote:
Appaholic wrote:
...on a MESSAGE BOARD?!?...... bwaAAAAAAAA!!!! You keep fighting the good fight, D. I'm sure the Vatican, as well as Big Oil, Big Coal & Big Solar, make it a point to check the opinions of Middle America by scanning various football message boards....you know, you're kind of a big deal and they realize that....
Hey don't read my threads, you fucking retard. Mof, stay off the political board, cuz nothing can come of discourse here, right?
Go start another ass eating thread in the Lounge, you buffoon.
Discourse? Please....you make the same argument everytime. Then JJ hands you your ass on a platter, then you retire....how's that for discourse
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:51 am
by grizzaholic
Appaholic wrote:
andy7171 wrote:
quote fail
What a fokking rookie....Andy, take care of my light work....well, with D, outside of his critical thinking & debate "skills", is anything light?
I thought he was just a fatter version of his brother?
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:07 am
by D1B
andy7171 wrote:
D1B wrote:
quote fail
Iphone - can't scroll down on large posts. Keep it short if you want my ridicule properly delivered.
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:15 am
by Appaholic
grizzaholic wrote:
Appaholic wrote:
What a fokking rookie....Andy, take care of my light work....well, with D, outside of his critical thinking & debate "skills", is anything light?
I thought he was just a fatter version of his brother?
No, he was the "special" one.
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:31 am
by D1B
Appaholic wrote:
D1B wrote:
Hey don't read my threads, you fucking retard. Mof, stay off the political board, cuz nothing can come of discourse here, right?
Go start another ass eating thread in the Lounge, you buffoon.
Discourse? Please....you make the same argument everytime. Then JJ hands you your ass on a platter, then you retire....how's that for discourse
Joe, the strawman factory?
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:32 am
by D1B
grizzaholic wrote:
Appaholic wrote:
What a fokking rookie....Andy, take care of my light work....well, with D, outside of his critical thinking & debate "skills", is anything light?
I thought he was just a fatter version of his brother?
No one likes you Jizz. You're the poor man's SuperHornet.
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:52 am
by D1B
Appaholic wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:
I thought he was just a fatter version of his brother?
No, he was the "special" one.
At least I can buy my own home and other shit with out appealing to the hoi polloi here in one your riveting "I'm a gutless dumbass who can't make a decision so I ask you fucking stangers to make it for me" threads.
Re: Catholic abuse victims turn to the Hague
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:26 am
by Appaholic
D1B wrote:
Appaholic wrote:
No, he was the "special" one.
At least I can buy my own home and other shit with out appealing to the hoi polloi here in one your riveting "I'm a gutless dumbass who can't make a decision so I ask you fucking stangers to make it for me" threads.
Says the "man" who comes on here making excuses for sorry poor people and gutless women who stay in abusive relationships because without them, he's on the streets unemployed....
Jesus, just got done perusing some articles and major scandals have or are breaking out in Canada, Ireland, Switzerland, Germany, England, New Zealand, Brazil, Australia, France and Belgium. 
...on a MESSAGE BOARD?!?...... 
bwaAAAAAAAA!!!! You keep fighting the good fight, D. 
I'm sure the Vatican, as well as Big Oil, Big Coal & Big Solar, make it a point to check the opinions of Middle America by scanning various football message boards....you know, you're kind of a big deal and they realize that.... 