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Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:33 am
by D1B
Rather than go after the true welfare cheats like big business, doctors, HMO's, etc.....conks here, still mesmerized by Reagan's "Welfare Queen" myth, often bring up the genius plan of drug testing the poor seeking welfare even though a majority of the poor are women with children who have been fucked over by lowlifes like JayBilasEatsCocksAfterAnal and BKDMD, and do not use drugs.
Many a conk bullshit artist have built their entire political careers on distracting their violent and angry constituents by fueling hatred of the poor and minorities, then stealing everyone's money and giving it to Rupert Murdock and insert Coal Plant/Utility Company owner's name here______________________________________. Like this Florida fuckhead, Governor Rick Scott:
Low and behold, like most conks, his crusade is built on lies and half truths.
Scott, who called for drug testing of welfare applicants with Elmer Gantry-like fervor and credibility while on the stump, got his way earlier this year when the state's GOP-dominated legislature passed a law requiring such examinations.
"Studies show that people that are on welfare are higher users of (illegal) drugs than people not on welfare," the Florida governor said on CNN shortly before the law took effect in July. While there are also studies that dispute Scott's contention, his push for drug testing has inspired copycat efforts in at least 26 other states.
His scheme has also hit an unexpected snag. So far, just 2% of Florida's welfare applicants have tested positive for illegal drug use; another 2% failed to complete the application process; and 96% were found to be drug-free. While every applicant is required to pay for their drug test, the state must reimburse those who pass.
He's a liar and a scumbag:
Even so, Scott — who invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination 75 times during a 2000 civil suit brought against him and Columbia/HCA, the troubled company he led — has shown no misgivings about treating poor Floridians like criminals.
That's what happens when ideology overtakes good sense. Scott's drug-testing program, like those championed in other states, is part of a right-wing effort to reduce the size and role of government.
It is a fishing expedition to find a reason to cut the welfare rolls. It is premised on the hunch that women with children who are destitute enough to ask a state for temporary cash assistance are more inclined than others to abuse drugs. Ironically, as unemployment rose during the current economic downturn, the number of people receiving welfare was "at or near the lowest in more than 40 years," The New York Times reported in 2009.
Florida's law offers poor mothers with needy children no "Fifth Amendment" opportunity to avoid being tested for illegal drug use. It gives those found to be drug users no chance to enter a drug treatment program to keep from being denied the financial assistance they need for their children. So, in essence, Florida's law punishes children for the sins of their parent.
Typical conk - mean, dumb, greedy and prone to the dangers of short term thinking...
What about the children?
Scott says his law is meant to prevent the misuse of taxpayers' money. But he makes no allowance for the fate of those needy children to whom it denies welfare assistance. Drug testing not based on reasonable suspicion smacks of an unconstitutional search, the kind of government intrusion upon an individual's rights that conservatives ought to rail against.
But Scott's assault on welfare mothers plays to the right-wing argument that big government is the playground of left-wing radicals — and a crutch for shiftless people. Scott rode this position to victory in the governor's race in the Sunshine State, which will be a key battleground in next year's presidential election. By treating mothers who apply for welfare benefits as a criminal class who must disprove a suspicion of drug abuse before obtaining badly needed support, Scott panders to the soft bigotry of class warfare.
And he becomes an integral part of the rot that is eating away at this nation's body politic.
DeWayne Wickham writes on Tuesdays for USA TODAY.
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Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:27 am
by kalm
That 2000 civil case ended up being the largest Medicare fraud settlement in history. And I think I read something awhile back that one of Scott's largest campaign donors happens to run one of the largest drug testing companies in Florida.
Republicans love big government.
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:32 am
by Cap'n Cat
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:32 am
by Ibanez
Without your usual insults and liberal bullshit, why shouldn't welfare recipents take a test to make sure they aren't engaging in illegal activities like drug use?
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:36 am
by Cap'n Cat
Ibanez wrote:Without your usual insults and liberal bullshit, why shouldn't welfare recipents take a test to make sure they aren't engaging in illegal activities like drug use?
PROBABLE CAUSE.
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:37 am
by Ibanez
Cap'n Cat wrote:Ibanez wrote:Without your usual insults and liberal bullshit, why shouldn't welfare recipents take a test to make sure they aren't engaging in illegal activities like drug use?
PROBABLE CAUSE.
So you think this is a tactic to kick these people off of Welfare?
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:37 am
by Cap'n Cat
Ibanez wrote:Cap'n Cat wrote:
PROBABLE CAUSE.
So you think this is a tactic to kick these people off of Welfare?
It's Conkunism and blatant racism. The so-righteous right's attempt at social emgineering. Concentration camps are next..........
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:55 am
by kalm
Ibanez wrote:Cap'n Cat wrote:
PROBABLE CAUSE.
So you think this is a tactic to kick these people off of Welfare?
I seriously question Scott's motivations here. But I also recognize a person's right to NOT be on welfare. Regardless, pot should not be tested for. But that's another argument.
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:58 am
by andy7171
Cap'n Cat wrote:Ibanez wrote:Without your usual insults and liberal bullshit, why shouldn't welfare recipents take a test to make sure they aren't engaging in illegal activities like drug use?
PROBABLE CAUSE.
I've worked jobs where I was subject to random drug testing. Hell, I had to wake up at 6am and have someone watch me piss into a cup six times in college.
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:18 am
by 89Hen
Cap'n Cat wrote:It's Conkunism and blatant racism. The so-righteous right's attempt at social emgineering. Concentration camps are next..........
Funny, I heard the same thing on Rachel Maddow yesterday.
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:25 am
by grizzaholic
Cap'n Cat wrote:Ibanez wrote:Without your usual insults and liberal bullshit, why shouldn't welfare recipents take a test to make sure they aren't engaging in illegal activities like drug use?
PROBABLE CAUSE.
So you don't agree with having to stop and get checked by the police at a police road-block?
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:44 am
by AZGrizFan
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:09 am
by D1B
andy7171 wrote:Cap'n Cat wrote:
PROBABLE CAUSE.
I've worked jobs where I was subject to random drug testing. Hell, I had to wake up at 6am and have someone watch me piss into a cup six times in college.
How bout we drug test you and your kids before they're admitted to public schools?
*Thought they only drug tested starters?
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:10 am
by bluehenbillk
Ibanez wrote:
So you think this is a tactic to kick these people off of Welfare?
Welfare is not a right. It's not a lifestyle. Unemployment runs out, so should welfare. Let's face it, there are a bunch of lazy ass f&%*s out there and yea, a percentage of them spend that $$ on drugs.
If that's the percentage where the tactic is to kick those people off Welfare, my answer is : Damn straight it is.
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:18 am
by D1B
bluehenbillk wrote:Ibanez wrote:
So you think this is a tactic to kick these people off of Welfare?
Welfare is not a right. It's not a lifestyle. Unemployment runs out, so should welfare. Let's face it, there are a bunch of lazy ass f&%*s out there and yea, a percentage of them spend that $$ on drugs.
If that's the percentage where the tactic is to kick those people off Welfare, my answer is : Damn straight it is.
How bout drug testing Wall Street, GM, Goldman Sachs and all the other welfare whores who bilked us for hundreds of billions of dollars? Better yet, require psych evals and polygraphs on every one of em to detect signs of psychosis or propensity towards criminal behavior. See, that's the fucking problem, Bill.
Conks suckering fucks like you by villifying the poor, meanwhile Wall Street completely empties our treasury.
You dumbfucks.
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:45 am
by TwinTownBisonFan
It starts with the presumption of guilt.
Moreover - if we require a drug test for one type of government assistance - why stop there? let's drug test everyone on unemployment - since clearly all they do is sit around and do drugs and fuck around - right?
let's start drug testing all recipients of Social Security too... or anyone with a federal student loan...
or hell - how about anyone with money in an account insured by the FDIC?
the assumption that those on public assistance are all on drugs and just fucking off and buying Cadillacs with welfare money is a complete fabrication in the fevered minds of those who seek to create a delightful strawman
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:51 am
by 89Hen
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Moreover - if we require a drug test for one type of government assistance - why stop there? let's drug test everyone on unemployment
Great idea.
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:00 am
by TwinTownBisonFan
89Hen wrote:TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Moreover - if we require a drug test for one type of government assistance - why stop there? let's drug test everyone on unemployment
Great idea.
how about those insured by FDIC?
c'mon - we should know we aren't insuring the deposits of druggies...
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:06 am
by 89Hen
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:89Hen wrote:
Great idea.
how about those insured by FDIC?
c'mon - we should know we aren't insuring the deposits of druggies...
You're firing on all cylinders now.
Keep going.
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:37 am
by kalm
D1B wrote:bluehenbillk wrote:
Welfare is not a right. It's not a lifestyle. Unemployment runs out, so should welfare. Let's face it, there are a bunch of lazy ass f&%*s out there and yea, a percentage of them spend that $$ on drugs.
If that's the percentage where the tactic is to kick those people off Welfare, my answer is : Damn straight it is.
How bout drug testing Wall Street, GM, Goldman Sachs and all the other welfare whores who bilked us for hundreds of billions of dollars? Better yet, require psych evals and polygraphs on every one of em to detect signs of psychosis or propensity towards criminal behavior. See, that's the fucking problem, Bill.
Conks suckering fucks like you by villifying the poor, meanwhile Wall Street completely empties our treasury.
You dumbfucks.
Silly - you have to earn money first before you qualify for that kind of welfare. And by earn I mean inherit or make really nice contributions.
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:45 am
by Cap'n Cat
Leave Rachel out of this. She's the frickin' High Priestess of Progressive Brainpower.
And, you, Ibadick, you start testin' one group, you gotta test them all. Start with drunk, illiterate contract fvcks like you. Then your girlfriend.
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:16 pm
by D1B
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:06 pm
by ODUsmitty
These preliminary results actually help to prove the point I have been making all along.
Threaten generational dependency with loss of lifestyle, and you will drive better behaviors. In this case, 98% of those tested either got off of drugs or found innovative ways to beat the test.
Now, since these parasitic tapeworms have shown the ability to alter their behaviors to adjust to a changing environment, they certainly can and should be motivated to learn new skils, learn how to put on a condom, etc. and eventually learn to support their own damned existence.
oh, and nice name you gave me, D1B.........
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:09 pm
by D1B
JayBilasBitesPillows wrote:These preliminary results actually help to prove the point I have been making all along.
Threaten generational dependency with loss of lifestyle, and you will drive better behaviors. In this case, 98% of those tested either got off of drugs or found innovative ways to beat the test.
Now, since these parasitic tapeworms have shown the ability to alter their behaviors to adjust to a changing environment, they certainly can and should be motivated to learn new skils, learn how to put on a condom, etc. and eventually learn to support their own damned existence.
oh, and nice name you gave me, D1B.........
Fuck you. I help these people. They don't have a nickel to rub together you fucking clown. They aint doing drugs, they're takin care of their children.
My point all along - it's an insignificant percentage of the poor who are lazy AND receiving welfare. Most are off the grid or mentally ill.
Re: Another conk attempt to villify the poor deemed bullshit
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:34 pm
by kalm
JayBilasBitesPillows wrote:These preliminary results actually help to prove the point I have been making all along.
Threaten generational dependency with loss of lifestyle, and you will drive better behaviors. In this case, 98% of those tested either got off of drugs or found innovative ways to beat the test.
Now, since these parasitic tapeworms have shown the ability to alter their behaviors to adjust to a changing environment, they certainly can and should be motivated to learn new skils, learn how to put on a condom, etc. and eventually learn to support their own damned existence.
oh, and nice name you gave me, D1B.........
Are the companies that profit from the testing parasitic? How about the politicians who receive their campaign contributions. There's many a parasitic mansion that's been built with taxpayer $'s.
