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"At its core, addiction isn't just a social problem or a moral problem or a criminal problem. It's a brain problem whose behaviors manifest in all these other areas," said Dr. Michael Miller, past president of ASAM who oversaw the development of the new definition. "Many behaviors driven by addiction are real problems and sometimes criminal acts. But the disease is about brains, not drugs. It's about underlying neurology, not outward actions."

"The disease creates distortions in thinking, feelings and perceptions, which drive people to behave in ways that are not understandable to others around them," Hajela said in a statement. "Simply put, addiction is not a choice. Addictive behaviors are a manifestation of the disease, not a cause."

"So, we have to stop moralizing, blaming, controlling or smirking at the person with the disease of addiction, and start creating opportunities for individuals and families to get help and providing assistance in choosing proper treatment," Miller said.

WAFJ

I don't think that's anything new.

That's the way I've always understood addiction to be.

The gap between the decisions people make, and personal responsibility continues to widen.

DJH wrote:The gap between the decisions people make, and personal responsibility continues to widen.

See, I don't see it like that at all. You still have a personal decision to avoid addictive substances.

I don't do heroin because of its addictive qualities. So, I avoid it. It's a personal choice.

Someone that chooses to do heroin makes a very poor choice... and they are responsible for that decision. However, they now have a chemical dependence on the substance and quitting is much, much more than simply making a decision to quit.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

DJH wrote:The gap between the decisions people make, and personal responsibility continues to widen.

See, I don't see it like that at all. You still have a personal decision to avoid addictive substances.

I don't do heroin because of its addictive qualities. So, I avoid it. It's a personal choice.

Someone that chooses to do heroin makes a very poor choice... and they are responsible for that decision. However, they now have a chemical dependence on the substance and quitting is much, much more than simply making a decision to quit.

Actually that's ALL it takes.


You really should be french

citdog wrote:

You really should be french

That would suck. Then I would have to have a douchebag name like Pierre Gustave Toutant Beauregard.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

citdog wrote:

You really should be french

That would suck. Then I would have to have a douchebag name.

I think that ship sailed for you long ago

DJH wrote:The gap between the decisions people make, and personal responsibility continues to widen.

Your mother is addicted to giant black cocks.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

DJH wrote:The gap between the decisions people make, and personal responsibility continues to widen.

See, I don't see it like that at all. You still have a personal decision to avoid addictive substances.

I don't do heroin because of its addictive qualities. So, I avoid it. It's a personal choice.

Someone that chooses to do heroin makes a very poor choice... and they are responsible for that decision. However, they now have a chemical dependence on the substance and quitting is much, much more than simply making a decision to quit.

me and skelly agree on something?!

DJH wrote:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44147493/ns ... ddictions/

"At its core, addiction isn't just a social problem or a moral problem or a criminal problem. It's a brain problem whose behaviors manifest in all these other areas," said Dr. Michael Miller, past president of ASAM who oversaw the development of the new definition. "Many behaviors driven by addiction are real problems and sometimes criminal acts. But the disease is about brains, not drugs. It's about underlying neurology, not outward actions."

"The disease creates distortions in thinking, feelings and perceptions, which drive people to behave in ways that are not understandable to others around them," Hajela said in a statement. "Simply put, addiction is not a choice. Addictive behaviors are a manifestation of the disease, not a cause."

"So, we have to stop moralizing, blaming, controlling or smirking at the person with the disease of addiction, and start creating opportunities for individuals and families to get help and providing assistance in choosing proper treatment," Miller said.

WAFJ

You mean you're not a compassionate conservative?

Shocker

DJH wrote:The gap between the decisions people make, and personal responsibility continues to widen.

Negative. While it's not the person's fault their brain reacts in this manner to addictive substances, it's their responsibility to avoid those substances once this is known about the person. It's no different than someone who is allergic to peanuts. It's not their fault their body reacts that way, but it's their responsibility to stay away from PB&J sammy's. But if they do ingest it, they lack very little control over their body's reaction to the peanuts and more than likely will require professional care to recover from ingesting the peanut.

That's why the only known remedy to alcoholism(or drug addiction) that is guaranteed to work is complete abstinence. And it's the person who suffers from this affliction responsibility to abstain. But if they do partake, all bets are off on how their body will react as the brain begins craving the substances in an irrational manner which will only get progressively worse, never better.

Don't confuse the addiction with the act of first taking the drug. Those persons who suffer from addiction will more than likely require medical care to ween themselves from the drug. They won't receive this care in jail.

Appaholic wrote:

DJH wrote:The gap between the decisions people make, and personal responsibility continues to widen.

Negative. While it's not the person's fault their brain reacts in this manner to addictive substances, it's their responsibility to avoid those substances once this is known about the person. It's no different than someone who is allergic to peanuts. It's not their fault their body reacts that way, but it's their responsibility to stay away from PB&J sammy's. But if they do ingest it, they lack very little control over their body's reaction to the peanuts and more than likely will require professional care to recover from ingesting the peanut.

That's why the only known remedy to alcoholism(or drug addiction) that is guaranteed to work is complete abstinence. And it's the person who suffers from this affliction responsibility to abstain. But if they do partake, all bets are off on how their body will react as the brain begins craving the substances in an irrational manner which will only get progressively worse, never better.

Don't confuse the addiction with the act of first taking the drug. Those persons who suffer from addiction will more than likely require medical care to ween themselves from the drug. They won't receive this care in jail.

Appa is 100% correct on this one.

clenz wrote:

Appaholic wrote:
Negative. While it's not the person's fault their brain reacts in this manner to addictive substances, it's their responsibility to avoid those substances once this is known about the person. It's no different than someone who is allergic to peanuts. It's not their fault their body reacts that way, but it's their responsibility to stay away from PB&J sammy's. But if they do ingest it, they lack very little control over their body's reaction to the peanuts and more than likely will require professional care to recover from ingesting the peanut.

That's why the only known remedy to alcoholism(or drug addiction) that is guaranteed to work is complete abstinence. And it's the person who suffers from this affliction responsibility to abstain. But if they do partake, all bets are off on how their body will react as the brain begins craving the substances in an irrational manner which will only get progressively worse, never better.

Don't confuse the addiction with the act of first taking the drug. Those persons who suffer from addiction will more than likely require medical care to ween themselves from the drug. They won't receive this care in jail.

Appa is 100% correct on this one.

Actually, many prisoners get decent medical care in jail. Because of fucks like you, Superdickhead, all the victims of the Citadell, DJH and the rest of social Darwinist - fuck everyone else and stay away from my money - crowd, there are few public dollars available for drug and alcohol treatment. It's not uncommon for someone to deliberately get arrested just for the medical care, shelter and food. You dicks would rather spend money on incarceration and helicopters and cops and robbers nonsense versus treatment.

D1B wrote:

clenz wrote:Appa is 100% correct on this one.

Actually, many prisoners get decent medical care in jail. Because of fucks like you, Superdickhead, all the victims of the Citadell, DJH and the rest of social Darwinist - fuck everyone else and stay away from my money - crowd, there are few public dollars available for drug and alcohol treatment. It's not uncommon for someone to deliberately get arrested just for the medical care, shelter and food. You dicks would rather spend money on incarceration and helicopters and cops and robbers nonsense versus treatment.

I know you're generalizing, and throwing me into that category because that is what you do. However, at least in m case, you know that isn't true.


I think prisoners should receive proper medical attention, but have to pay for it or some form of "prison insurance" just like they would on the outside.

clenz wrote:

D1B wrote:
Actually, many prisoners get decent medical care in jail. Because of fucks like you, Superdickhead, all the victims of the Citadell, DJH and the rest of social Darwinist - fuck everyone else and stay away from my money - crowd, there are few public dollars available for drug and alcohol treatment. It's not uncommon for someone to deliberately get arrested just for the medical care, shelter and food. You dicks would rather spend money on incarceration and helicopters and cops and robbers nonsense versus treatment.

I know you're generalizing, and throwing me into that category because that is what you do. However, at least in m case, you know that isn't true.


I think prisoners should receive proper medical attention, but have to pay for it or some form of "prison insurance" just like they would on the outside.

Sorry Clenz, I was not referring to you. Forgot who I was responding too.

D1B wrote:

clenz wrote:Appa is 100% correct on this one.

Actually, many prisoners get decent medical care in jail. Because of fucks like you, Superdickhead, all the victims of the Citadell, DJH and the rest of social Darwinist - fuck everyone else and stay away from my money - crowd, there are few public dollars available for drug and alcohol treatment. It's not uncommon for someone to deliberately get arrested just for the medical care, shelter and food. You dicks would rather spend money on incarceration and helicopters and cops and robbers nonsense versus treatment.

You talking to me or clenz?

Appaholic wrote:

D1B wrote:
Actually, many prisoners get decent medical care in jail. Because of fucks like you, Superdickhead, all the victims of the Citadell, DJH and the rest of social Darwinist - fuck everyone else and stay away from my money - crowd, there are few public dollars available for drug and alcohol treatment. It's not uncommon for someone to deliberately get arrested just for the medical care, shelter and food. You dicks would rather spend money on incarceration and helicopters and cops and robbers nonsense versus treatment.

You talking to me or clenz?

D1B wrote:

clenz wrote:I know you're generalizing, and throwing me into that category because that is what you do. However, at least in m case, you know that isn't true.


I think prisoners should receive proper medical attention, but have to pay for it or some form of "prison insurance" just like they would on the outside.

Sorry Clenz, I was not referring to you. Forgot who I was responding too.

You're high on mescaline, aren't you?

Addiction is still a choice.

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Addiction is still a choice.

Yep.

D1B wrote:

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Addiction is still a choice.

Yep.

Agree. Just like type 2 diabetes, STD's & AIDS.