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NYT Opinion Article on Obama's Presidency Thus Far
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:50 pm
by JMU DJ
Good article... at least IMO. My favorite part:
Like most Americans, at this point, I have no idea what Barack Obama — and by extension the party he leads — believes on virtually any issue. The president tells us he prefers a “balanced” approach to deficit reduction, one that weds “revenue enhancements” (a weak way of describing popular taxes on the rich and big corporations that are evading them) with “entitlement cuts” (an equally poor choice of words that implies that people who’ve worked their whole lives are looking for handouts). But the law he just signed includes only the cuts. This pattern of presenting inconsistent positions with no apparent recognition of their incoherence is another hallmark of this president’s storytelling. He announces in a speech on energy and climate change that we need to expand offshore oil drilling and coal production — two methods of obtaining fuels that contribute to the extreme weather Americans are now seeing. He supports a health care law that will use Medicaid to insure about 15 million more Americans and then endorses a budget plan that, through cuts to state budgets, will most likely decimate Medicaid and other essential programs for children, senior citizens and people who are vulnerable by virtue of disabilities or an economy that is getting weaker by the day. He gives a major speech on immigration reform after deporting a million immigrants in two years, breaking up families at a pace George W. Bush could never rival in all his years as president.
THE real conundrum is why the president seems so compelled to take both sides of every issue, encouraging voters to project whatever they want on him, and hoping they won’t realize which hand is holding the rabbit. That a large section of the country views him as a socialist while many in his own party are concluding that he does not share their values speaks volumes — but not the volumes his advisers are selling: that if you make both the right and left mad, you must be doing something right.
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Re: NYT Opinion Article on Obama's Presidency Thus Far
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:55 pm
by SuperHornet
I'm shocked.
I would have figured the Times to ride Obama's jock.

Re: NYT Opinion Article on Obama's Presidency Thus Far
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:41 pm
by blueballs
SuperHornet wrote:I'm shocked.
I would have figured the Times to ride Obama's jock.

Basically what they're saying is that he's not liberal enough... what a shocker!!!! I predicted it before I even opened the thread.
Re: NYT Opinion Article on Obama's Presidency Thus Far
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:59 pm
by Ivytalk
Read the whole damn whiny article. Ten minutes I'll never get back. Blueballs was right, as usual.

Re: NYT Opinion Article on Obama's Presidency Thus Far
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:29 pm
by JMU DJ
Ivytalk wrote:Read the whole damn whiny article. Ten minutes I'll never get back. Blueballs was right, as usual.

I figured you guys would like it as I took away that he's been a spineless, two faced waffler who has pretty much stood for nothing and everything at the same time in attempt to ride the center and be the great compromiser/appeaser. Huh, that's odd... guess the link I provided went to MoveOn.org. Sorry about that.

Re: NYT Opinion Article on Obama's Presidency Thus Far
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:07 pm
by BDKJMU
blueballs wrote:SuperHornet wrote:I'm shocked.
I would have figured the Times to ride Obama's jock.

Basically what they're saying is that he's not liberal enough... what a shocker!!!! I predicted it before I even opened the thread.
Exactly. The lib papers like the NYT have been complaining since 09' that BHO hasn't been liberal enough.
One thing that stuck out to me was "He gives a major speech on immigration reform after deporting a million immigrants in two years, breaking up families at a pace George W. Bush could never rival in all his years as president."
What the article failed to mention was the ILLEGAL part, many of whom are ag felons and/or have prior orders of deportation on them. Typical of libs that fail to distinguish between the legal and illegal immigrants....
Re: NYT Opinion Article on Obama's Presidency Thus Far
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:59 am
by kalm
JMU DJ wrote:Ivytalk wrote:Read the whole damn whiny article. Ten minutes I'll never get back. Blueballs was right, as usual.

I figured you guys would like it as I took away that he's been a spineless, two faced waffler who has pretty much stood for nothing and everything at the same time in attempt to ride the center and be the great compromiser/appeaser. Huh, that's odd... guess the link I provided went to MoveOn.org. Sorry about that.

That's why they hate it. It doesn't match their narrative of an FDR-Alinsky-socialist.
Very good article. Thanks.

Re: NYT Opinion Article on Obama's Presidency Thus Far
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:15 am
by Cap'n Cat
Re: NYT Opinion Article on Obama's Presidency Thus Far
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:49 am
by Ivytalk
FIFY.

Re: NYT Opinion Article on Obama's Presidency Thus Far
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:21 am
by travelinman67
Ivytalk wrote:Read the whole damn whiny article. Ten minutes I'll never get back. Blueballs was right, as usual.

'swhy I stopped reading the times: Too predictable.
Used to waste $6 every Sunday to catch up on EC culture...until I chose to stop wasting time and money on Sulzbergerish nonsense.
Spend it on the FT and Weekend WSJ now.
Re: NYT Opinion Article on Obama's Presidency Thus Far
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:43 pm
by blueballs
His own EPA would never allow the "defacing" of mountain like that.
Re: NYT Opinion Article on Obama's Presidency Thus Far
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:05 pm
by ASUG8
This is the part that many of us were talking about well before he became a serious contender. I continue to be a amazed that a majority of Americans were duped by a guy with admittedly outstanding oratorical skills, but no true qualifications to take on what is aruably the most difficult job in the free world.
The most charitable explanation is that he and his advisers have succumbed to a view of electoral success to which many Democrats succumb — that “centrist” voters like “centrist” politicians. Unfortunately, reality is more complicated. Centrist voters prefer honest politicians who help them solve their problems. A second possibility is that he is simply not up to the task by virtue of his lack of experience and a character defect that might not have been so debilitating at some other time in history. Those of us who were bewitched by his eloquence on the campaign trail chose to ignore some disquieting aspects of his biography: that he had accomplished very little before he ran for president, having never run a business or a state; that he had a singularly unremarkable career as a law professor, publishing nothing in 12 years at the University of Chicago other than an autobiography; and that, before joining the United States Senate, he had voted "present" (instead of "yea" or "nay") 130 times, sometimes dodging difficult issues.
I'm objective enough to recognize that he didn't create every issue he's currently dealing with, but good leaders make sound judgements regarding the hands they are dealt MOST of the time. He's entitled to errors in judgement, but he has developed a laundry list of poor responses to major, impactful issues. I think most people, if they truly attempt to be objective and attempt to balance the positives vs. the negatives of his decisions during his presidency would find that he has demonstrated that he is in over his head.

Re: NYT Opinion Article on Obama's Presidency Thus Far
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:12 pm
by dbackjon
blueballs wrote:
His own EPA would never allow the "defacing" of mountain like that.
Unless there was coal there.
Re: NYT Opinion Article on Obama's Presidency Thus Far
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:15 pm
by Cap'n Cat
Re: NYT Opinion Article on Obama's Presidency Thus Far
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:28 pm
by Wedgebuster
dbackjon wrote:blueballs wrote:
His own EPA would never allow the "defacing" of mountain like that.
Unless there was coal there.

Re: NYT Opinion Article on Obama's Presidency Thus Far
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:38 pm
by AZGrizFan
ASUG8 wrote:I'm objective enough to recognize that he didn't create every issue he's currently dealing with, but good leaders make sound judgements regarding the hands they are dealt MOST of the time. He's entitled to errors in judgement, but he has developed a laundry list of poor responses to major, impactful issues. I think most people,
if they truly attempt to be objective and attempt to balance the positives vs. the negatives of his decisions during his presidency would find that he has demonstrated that he is in over his head.

Good luck with that.