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Yep.

"I would love nothing more than compromise. But I would say to you that compromise that’s not a solution is a waste of time."


Why is this such a hard concept to understand? Because too many establishment politicians in Washington DC thought they could twist Tea Party arms and all would be business as usual. They need to wake up and smell the coffee.

"So this has been the plan all along, by the way. The plan all along was not to take a position, to let the days count down until we got to this point with 72 hours to go and then force a vote on something that they wanted. I believe that that has been the plan the entire time. And you can see it carrying itself out."

He nails it right here. Wait til the last minute, pass something quickly so nobody has a chance to read or analyze it. And by the end of next week people forget about it and they go on with business as usual.

HI54UNI wrote:"So this has been the plan all along, by the way. The plan all along was not to take a position, to let the days count down until we got to this point with 72 hours to go and then force a vote on something that they wanted. I believe that that has been the plan the entire time. And you can see it carrying itself out."

He nails it right here. Wait til the last minute, pass something quickly so nobody has a chance to read or analyze it. And by the end of next week people forget about it and they go on with business as usual.

The Obama Way.

Not to be confused with the Third Way, the Right Way, or the Milky Way.

Who would have guessed that John Kerry was a secret Tea Party sympathist?

But there he is lobbing scripted questions to Sen. Rubio, obviously written by Rubio in advance, so that Rubio will look brilliant when it looks he is answering off the cuff. Yea, a real act of courtesy in yielding for the questions.

JoltinJoe wrote:Who would have guessed that John Kerry was a secret Tea Party sympathist?

But there he is lobbing scripted questions to Sen. Rubio, obviously written by Rubio in advance, so that Rubio will look brilliant when it looks he is answering off the cuff. Yea, a real act of courtesy in yielding for the questions.

It is difficult to argue with much Rubio has to say here.

I am talking about not just the issue of the debt crisis itself, but also about what it must be like to go to Congress as a freshman Senator or Rep, with a mind to get things done, and then the frustration when you find yourself being inexorably pulled into the Washington wheeling and dealing machine that solves no problems and does its damndest to create new ones. You can hear the frustration in the guy's voice.

CID1990 wrote:It is difficult to argue with much Rubio has to say here.

I am talking about not just the issue of the debt crisis itself, but also about what it must be like to go to Congress as a freshman Senator or Rep, with a mind to get things done, and then the frustration when you find yourself being inexorably pulled into the Washington wheeling and dealing machine that solves no problems and does its damndest to create new ones. You can hear the frustration in the guy's voice.

Yep, Rubio is a virtual Jimmy Stewart: "Mr. Marco Goes to Washington!"

Liked it. Rubio did an excellent job. Unfortunately, he's a conk, which means if you care about civil rights, reproductive rights for women, separation of church and state and other key aspects of freedom, you cant vote for him.

D1B wrote:Liked it. Rubio did an excellent job. Unfortunately, he's a conk, which means if you care about civil rights, reproductive rights for women, separation of church and state and other key aspects of freedom, you cant vote for him.

Well, if we continue down the current path, none of those issues will mean squat because the country will have ceased to exist.

D1B wrote:Liked it. Rubio did an excellent job. Unfortunately, he's a conk, which means if you care about civil rights, reproductive rights for women, separation of church and state and other key aspects of freedom, you cant vote for him.

Let's talk about freedom, D1B. You Donks, with your obsession with state-conferred benefits and obligations, have no conception of the term. The Constitution, by setting limits on government and providing for the separation of powers, provides a framework for the maximization of political, economic and religious freedom. Markets generally work, if unfettered by costly regulations and taxes that discourage initiative. Business people aren't out to exploit the workers: they need properly motivated workers to earn a profit. Conservatives win that debate every time.

Ivytalk wrote:

D1B wrote:Liked it. Rubio did an excellent job. Unfortunately, he's a conk, which means if you care about civil rights, reproductive rights for women, separation of church and state and other key aspects of freedom, you cant vote for him.

Let's talk about freedom, D1B. You Donks, with your obsession with state-conferred benefits and obligations, have no conception of the term. The Constitution, by setting limits on government and providing for the separation of powers, provides a framework for the maximization of political, economic and religious freedom. Markets generally work, if unfettered by costly regulations and taxes that discourage initiative. Business people aren't out to exploit the workers: they need properly motivated workers to earn a profit. Conservatives win that debate every time.

Totally agree Ivy. I (and practically all other donks) would exclusively vote conk if they weren't owned by the fucking Christians.

D1B wrote:

Ivytalk wrote:
Let's talk about freedom, D1B. You Donks, with your obsession with state-conferred benefits and obligations, have no conception of the term. The Constitution, by setting limits on government and providing for the separation of powers, provides a framework for the maximization of political, economic and religious freedom. Markets generally work, if unfettered by costly regulations and taxes that discourage initiative. Business people aren't out to exploit the workers: they need properly motivated workers to earn a profit. Conservatives win that debate every time.

Totally agree Ivy. I (and practically all other donks) would exclusively vote conk if they weren't owned by the **** Christians.

A lot of them aren't owned by the Christian right. That said, there might one day soon be a need for a conservative party that has divested itself of the religious side, but my hope was that the Tea Party would be largely secular. That hasn't become evident yet (although I think that the Tea Party is in a very good position to make itself into a secular conservative movement, they seem to be currently squandering the opportunity).

CID1990 wrote:

D1B wrote:
Totally agree Ivy. I (and practically all other donks) would exclusively vote conk if they weren't owned by the **** Christians.

A lot of them aren't owned by the Christian right. That said, there might one day soon be a need for a conservative party that has divested itself of the religious side, but my hope was that the Tea Party would be largely secular. That hasn't become evident yet (although I think that the Tea Party is in a very good position to make itself into a secular conservative movement, they seem to be currently squandering the opportunity).

Religion fucks up everything, especially amoral, intolerant and violent religions like christianity.

D1B wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
A lot of them aren't owned by the Christian right. That said, there might one day soon be a need for a conservative party that has divested itself of the religious side, but my hope was that the Tea Party would be largely secular. That hasn't become evident yet (although I think that the Tea Party is in a very good position to make itself into a secular conservative movement, they seem to be currently squandering the opportunity).

Religion fucks up everything, especially amoral, intolerant and violent religions like christianity.

You ARE aware the crusades are over, aren't you?

AZGrizFan wrote:

D1B wrote:

Religion fucks up everything, especially amoral, intolerant and violent religions like christianity.

You ARE aware the crusades are over, aren't you?

Yeah, so everything is cool, right Z? No abortion protesters harrassing women? No fucking catholics spreading misinformation and AIDS in Africa? No christians killing muslims recently? No catholic and fundamentalist christian churches ripping off the poor and elderly? No fuckhead catholic priest ass fucking three year old boys in the confessional while holding a gun to their heads and humming the theme from the Rockford Files?

D1B wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
You ARE aware the crusades are over, aren't you?

Yeah, so everything is cool, right Z? No abortion protesters harrassing women? No fucking catholics spreading misinformation and AIDS in Africa? No christians killing muslims recently? No catholic and fundamentalist christian churches ripping off the poor and elderly? No fuckhead catholic priest ass fucking three year old boys in the confessional while holding a gun to their heads and humming the theme from the Rockford Files?

Christ its fucking hilarious to watch sycophants like you rail on about the "violence" of Christianity yet whitewash muslim violence like its a schoolyard fistfight.

AZGrizFan wrote:

D1B wrote:
Yeah, so everything is cool, right Z? No abortion protesters harrassing women? No fucking catholics spreading misinformation and AIDS in Africa? No christians killing muslims recently? No catholic and fundamentalist christian churches ripping off the poor and elderly? No fuckhead catholic priest ass fucking three year old boys in the confessional while holding a gun to their heads and humming the theme from the Rockford Files?

Christ its fucking hilarious to watch sycophants like you rail on about the "violence" of Christianity yet whitewash muslim violence like its a schoolyard fistfight.

Muslims are worse, but they don't have the American military and their 1 trillion dollar budget at their disposal. Amazing how brainwashed fucks like you dismiss the fact that the united states, a christain nation, is currently involved in three wars and recently attacked a country for no reason other than to satisfy pent up rage from 9/11 - and killed tens of thousands of innocent people.

D1B wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Christ its fucking hilarious to watch sycophants like you rail on about the "violence" of Christianity yet whitewash muslim violence like its a schoolyard fistfight.

Muslims are worse, but they don't have the American military and their 1 trillion dollar budget at their disposal. Amazing how brainwashed fucks like you dismiss the fact that the united states, a christain nation, is currently involved in three wars and recently attacked a country for no reason other than to satisfy pent up rage from 9/11 - and killed tens of thousands of innocent people.

Yeah. That's my position exactly.