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LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:09 pm
by Skjellyfetti
After enactment of House Bill 87, a law designed to drive illegal immigrants out of Georgia, state officials appear shocked to discover that HB 87 is, well, driving a lot of illegal immigrants out of Georgia.
It might almost be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
The resulting manpower shortage has forced state farmers to leave millions of dollars’ worth of blueberries, onions and other crops unharvested and rotting in the fields. It has also put state officials into something of a panic at the damage they’ve done to Georgia’s largest industry.
Barely a month ago, you might recall, Gov. Nathan Deal welcomed the TV cameras into his office as he proudly signed HB 87 into law. Two weeks later, with farmers howling, a scrambling Deal was forced to order a hasty investigation into the impact of the law he had just signed, as if all this had come as quite a surprise to him.
The results of that investigation have now been released. According to survey of 230 Georgia farmers conducted by Agriculture Commissioner Gary Black, farmers expect to need more than 11,000 workers at some point over the rest of the season, a number that probably underestimates the real need, since not every farmer in the state responded to the survey.
“The agriculture industry is the number one economic engine in Georgia and it is my sincere hope to find viable and law-abiding solutions to the current problem our farmers face,” Deal said in announcing the findings. In the meantime, Deal proposes that farmers try to hire the 2,000 unemployed criminal probationers estimated to live in southwest Georgia.
Somehow, I suspect that would not be a partnership made in heaven for either party.
According to the survey, more than 6,300 of the unclaimed jobs pay an hourly wage of $7.25 to $8.99, or an average of roughly $8 an hour. Over a 40-hour work week in the South Georgia sun, that’s $320 a week, before taxes, although most workers probably put in considerably longer hours. Another 3,200 jobs pay $9 to $11 an hour. And while our agriculture commissioner has been quoted as saying Georgia farms provide “$12, $13, $14, $16, $18-an-hour jobs,” the survey reported just 169 openings out of more than 11,000 that pay $16 or more.
In addition, few of the jobs include benefits — only 7.7 percent offer health insurance, and barely a third are even covered by workers compensation. And the truth is that even if all 2,000 probationers in the region agreed to work at those rates and stuck it out — a highly unlikely event, to put it mildly — it wouldn’t fix the problem.
Given all that, Deal’s pledge to find “viable and law-abiding solutions” to the problem that he helped create seems naively far-fetched. Again, if such solutions existed, they should have been put in place before the bill ever became law, because this impact was entirely predictable and in fact intended.
It’s hard to envision a way out of this. Georgia farmers could try to solve the manpower shortage by offering higher wages, but that would create an entirely different set of problems. If they raise wages by a third to a half, which is probably what it would take, they would drive up their operating costs and put themselves at a severe price disadvantage against competitors in states without such tough immigration laws. That’s one of the major disadvantages of trying to implement immigration reform state by state, rather than all at once.
The pain this is causing is real. People are going to lose their crops, and in some cases their farms. The small-town businesses that supply those farms with goods and services are going to suffer as well. For economically embattled rural Georgia, this could be a major blow.
In fact, with a federal court challenge filed last week, you have to wonder whether state officials aren’t secretly hoping to be rescued from this mess by the intervention of a judge. But given how the Georgia law is drafted and how the Supreme Court ruled in a recent case out of Arizona, I don’t think that’s likely.
We’re going to reap what we have sown, even if the farmers can’t.
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Idiots.

Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:11 pm
by BDKJMU
I've got a better idea. Tell all welfare recipients and those that have been on unemployment more than 26 weeks- you want to continue getting your bennies- get to pickin!...Or starve. Problem solved.
Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:12 pm
by AZGrizFan
Oh, but lets extend unemployment for 99 more weeks so people don't have to go out and actually work these jobs for a living.
Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:13 pm
by Skjellyfetti
AZGrizFan wrote:Oh, but lets extend unemployment for 99 monre weeks so people don't have to go out and actually work these jobs for a living.
Unfortunately, Georgia has fostered a society for almost 300 years that believes this kind of work isn't fit for white people.
Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:16 pm
by AZGrizFan
Skjellyfetti wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:Oh, but lets extend unemployment for 99 monre weeks so people don't have to go out and actually work these jobs for a living.
Unfortunately, Georgia has fostered a society for almost 300 years that believes this kind of work isn't fit for white people.
If by "fostered a society" you mean continued paying extended unemployment benefits so folks don't have to get off their lazy ass and find a fucking job, then you're absolutely correct. As long as somebody is going to give me $260 to sit on my ass and eat cheetos all day, why would I EVER want to go out and work for $320 a week? Is it REALLY that difficult to understand? We'd rather pay people to NOT work??? Really? But yet we bitch about unemployment?
Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:20 pm
by AZGrizFan
Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:27 pm
by Skjellyfetti
Can you list some benefits of the Georgia immigration bill?
So far we've got "wrecking one of Georgia's leading industries" on the negative side. Anything positive come out of the bill?
Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:32 pm
by AZGrizFan
Skjellyfetti wrote:Can you list some benefits of the Georgia immigration bill?
So far we've got "wrecking one of Georgia's leading industries" on the negative side. Anything positive come out of the bill?
How about a minimum of 11,000 jobs opened up to get 1/5 of the jobless off the government teet and paying taxes again?
Nah...that can't be considered a positive....they might not vote democrat next time....
edit: and, FYI: I have ZERO sympathy for any company that knowingly hires illegal aliens, then bitches when the immigration law is actually enforced. They DESERVE to fail, just like all the banks deserved to fail and didn't deserve TARP money to bail their sorry asses out.
The immigration bill didn't "wreck one of Georgia's leading industries"....the industry's greed and short term approach to business did. But, in the donk world of no personal responsibility, I can see where you'd be looking for someone ELSE to blame.

Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:37 pm
by Skjellyfetti
Nobody wants to work those jobs, AZ.
That's what liberals have said ad nauseum ever since Arizona brought up the original bill. Conservatives always claim "THEY'RE TAKING THE JOBS OF HARDWORKING AMERICANS." lol. There aren't any hardworking americans anymore.
It's like when Texas passed similar legislation... but, exempted housekeepers and such:
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At least Texas had the foresight to realize that they actual depend on illegals.
It's easy to want to rid the country of the brown skinned scourge.... but, it's another to find people to clean your house, water your lawn, or pick lettuce on your farm in the Arizona heat.
Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:39 pm
by Skjellyfetti
AZGrizFan wrote:
The immigration bill didn't "wreck one of Georgia's leading industries"....the industry's greed and short term approach to business did. But, in the donk world of no personal responsibility, I can see where you'd be looking for someone ELSE to blame.

I agree. But, in order to actually hire legal Americans to do the work... they'll have to increase pay by 50% or 60%... and, they aren't going to do that... because they live in the Conk world of "make as large of a profit as you can at all costs."

Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:46 pm
by AZGrizFan
Skjellyfetti wrote:Nobody wants to work those jobs, AZ.
That's what liberals have said ad nauseum ever since Arizona brought up the original bill. Conservatives always claim "THEY'RE TAKING THE JOBS OF HARDWORKING AMERICANS." lol. There aren't any hardworking americans anymore.
It's like when Texas passed similar legislation... but, exempted housekeepers and such:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookou ... r-the-help" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
At least Texas had the foresight to realize that they actual depend on illegals.
It's easy to want to rid the country of the brown skinned scourge.... but, it's another to find people to clean your house, water your lawn, or pick lettuce on your farm in the Arizona heat.
They don't want to work those jobs because THEY'RE BEING PAID $330 A WEEK NOT TO WORK!!!!
Christ, do I need to draw you a picture? $330 to NOT work. $320 to pick blueberries all day. Geez, I wonder what they'll do?

Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:47 pm
by AZGrizFan
Skjellyfetti wrote:Nobody wants to work those jobs, AZ.
That's what liberals have said ad nauseum ever since Arizona brought up the original bill. Conservatives always claim "THEY'RE TAKING THE JOBS OF HARDWORKING AMERICANS." lol. There aren't any hardworking americans anymore.
It's like when Texas passed similar legislation... but, exempted housekeepers and such:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookou ... r-the-help" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
At least Texas had the foresight to realize that they actual depend on illegals.
It's easy to want to rid the country of the brown skinned scourge.... but, it's another to find people to clean your house, water your lawn, or pick lettuce on your farm in the Arizona heat.
My housekeeper, my landscaper and my lettuce pickers are all white.

Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:48 pm
by AZGrizFan
11,000,000 illegal aliens.
11,000,000 people out of work.
Solve illegal immigration. Unemployment problem solved.

Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:51 pm
by Skjellyfetti
AZGrizFan wrote:
They don't want to work those jobs because THEY'RE BEING PAID $330 A WEEK NOT TO WORK!!!!
Christ, do I need to draw you a picture? $330 to NOT work. $320 to pick blueberries all day. Geez, I wonder what they'll do?

And if they paid their workers a competitive salary by increasing their pay 60%? They'd make $528 dollars a week.

Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:52 pm
by ∞∞∞
Is it wrong to buy homemade tacos from illegal immigrants? Dead serious question too.

Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:53 pm
by Skjellyfetti
AZGrizFan wrote:11,000,000 illegal aliens.
11,000,000 people out of work.
Solve illegal immigration. Unemployment problem solved.

Offer a competitive salary and they'll do it.
Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:54 pm
by Skjellyfetti
∞∞∞ wrote:Is it wrong to buy homemade tacos from illegal immigrants? Dead serious question too.

FUCK NO.

Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:57 pm
by AZGrizFan
Skjellyfetti wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:11,000,000 illegal aliens.
11,000,000 people out of work.
Solve illegal immigration. Unemployment problem solved.

Offer a competitive salary and they'll do it.
Stop giving away free money and they'll do it eventually, too.

Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:58 pm
by AZGrizFan
Skjellyfetti wrote:∞∞∞ wrote:Is it wrong to buy homemade tacos from illegal immigrants? Dead serious question too.

FUCK NO.

mmmmm....reminds me!!! HIJACK ALERT!!! Tonight (Thursday nights!) is dog taco night down at the local watering hole!!
$1 each....think I'm gonna go get me about 10 of 'em!

Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:58 pm
by AZGrizFan
Skjellyfetti wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
They don't want to work those jobs because THEY'RE BEING PAID $330 A WEEK NOT TO WORK!!!!
Christ, do I need to draw you a picture? $330 to NOT work. $320 to pick blueberries all day. Geez, I wonder what they'll do?

And if they paid their workers a competitive salary by increasing their pay 60%? They'd make $528 dollars a week.

Will America pay $8/bin for blueberries?

Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:00 pm
by CitadelGrad
Skjellyfetti wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:11,000,000 illegal aliens.
11,000,000 people out of work.
Solve illegal immigration. Unemployment problem solved.

Offer a competitive salary and they'll do it.
Competitive with what? Unemployment benefits? How the hell do you compete with paying people not to work or even attempt to find a job?
Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:03 pm
by Skjellyfetti
AZGrizFan wrote:
Will America pay $8/bin for blueberries?

blueberries from states that ignore illegal immigrants picking their fruit will be selling their bins for a lot less.
So, no... probably not.

Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:11 pm
by BDKJMU
Skjellyfetti wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:11,000,000 illegal aliens.
11,000,000 people out of work.
Solve illegal immigration. Unemployment problem solved.

Offer a competitive salary and they'll do it.
No, cut off their welfare and unemployment checks and they'll do it for the same amount the illegals are- it would be that or starve.
This whole notion that Americans won't do that type of work for that type of pay is BS. As AZ pointed out, low/no skill Americans won't do that type of work for that type of pay AS LONG AS THEY CAN SIT ON THEIR A** AT HOME ON THE GOVT TIT. Cut them off the govt tit, and they'll do that work for that pay over starving.
Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:13 pm
by BDKJMU
AZGrizFan wrote:Skjellyfetti wrote:
Offer a competitive salary and they'll do it.
Stop giving away free money and they'll do it eventually, too.

Exactly. KY has a problem getting that through that thick skull of his.

Re: LOL - Results of GA immigration bill
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:18 pm
by Skjellyfetti
Then maybe Georgia and other states should work toward ending all forms of welfare and unemployment before they tackle things like "dismantling the workforce of their largest industry."
I mean, I thought Georgia was a deep red state. Why does one of the more conservative states in the country still give out unemployment? It must be true what Glenn Beck says... socialists are truly everywhere these days.