Championship Subdivision Football | FCS Football | Stadiums | Blogs | Forums

Peaceful protesters stop police provocateurs from starting a riot at the Stop the SPP protests in Montebello Quebec. The police admitted they were their officers. CEP President Dave Coles confronts men with rocks and sticks.

[youtube][/youtube]

Police acting like protestors, even shoving people around.. this is Canada, but the meeting that is being protested is an anti SPP. SPP is the Security and Prosperity Partnership- and Agreement between the USA, Canada and Mexico which is being secretly enacted.

expandspanos wrote:Peaceful protesters stop police provocateurs from starting a riot at the Stop the SPP protests in Montebello Quebec. The police admitted they were their officers. CEP President Dave Coles confronts men with rocks and sticks.

[youtube][/youtube]

Police acting like protestors, even shoving people around.. this is Canada, but the meeting that is being protested is an anti SPP. SPP is the Security and Prosperity Partnership- and Agreement between the USA, Canada and Mexico which is being secretly enacted.

If it's secret why do you know about it?

I found out the other night that a friend of mine is only 10-12 drinks away from channeling expandspanos' 9/11 theories - I got a dissertation on his "weeks of research" on it, which apparently didn't prepare him for some simple questions I posed. He (like you) followed up by texting me a ton of youtube links for me to burn my precious time on. Spare me.

ASUG8 wrote:

expandspanos wrote:Peaceful protesters stop police provocateurs from starting a riot at the Stop the SPP protests in Montebello Quebec. The police admitted they were their officers. CEP President Dave Coles confronts men with rocks and sticks.

[youtube][/youtube]

Police acting like protestors, even shoving people around.. this is Canada, but the meeting that is being protested is an anti SPP. SPP is the Security and Prosperity Partnership- and Agreement between the USA, Canada and Mexico which is being secretly enacted.

If it's secret why do you know about it?

I found out the other night that a friend of mine is only 10-12 drinks away from channeling expandspanos' 9/11 theories - I got a dissertation on his "weeks of research" on it, which apparently didn't prepare him for some simple questions I posed. He (like you) followed up by texting me a ton of youtube links for me to burn my precious time on. Spare me.

This is different, spandex has a degree in science from UW.



Says he does, anyway.

ASUG8 wrote:

expandspanos wrote:Peaceful protesters stop police provocateurs from starting a riot at the Stop the SPP protests in Montebello Quebec. The police admitted they were their officers. CEP President Dave Coles confronts men with rocks and sticks.

[youtube][/youtube]

Police acting like protestors, even shoving people around.. this is Canada, but the meeting that is being protested is an anti SPP. SPP is the Security and Prosperity Partnership- and Agreement between the USA, Canada and Mexico which is being secretly enacted.

If it's secret why do you know about it?

I found out the other night that a friend of mine is only 10-12 drinks away from channeling expandspanos' 9/11 theories - I got a dissertation on his "weeks of research" on it, which apparently didn't prepare him for some simple questions I posed. He (like you) followed up by texting me a ton of youtube links for me to burn my precious time on. Spare me.

Which reminds me...

I talked to my friend a little while ago, who is a cop in Arlington County, and I asked him about his 9/11 experience.

me - "You saw the plane fly into the Pentagon, right?"
copy - "Yep, I was sitting in traffic on 395 and responded shortly thereafter"
me - "You're SURE it wasn't a missle or a ganglet of geese, right?"
cop - "Yep, I've seen some planes before and I'm fairly sure that was a plane."

Yet we still have assholes like spandex throwing out these conspiracy theories where there wasn't a plane involved in hitting the Pentagon and what not.

bandl wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:
If it's secret why do you know about it?

I found out the other night that a friend of mine is only 10-12 drinks away from channeling expandspanos' 9/11 theories - I got a dissertation on his "weeks of research" on it, which apparently didn't prepare him for some simple questions I posed. He (like you) followed up by texting me a ton of youtube links for me to burn my precious time on. Spare me.

Which reminds me...

I talked to my friend a little while ago, who is a cop in Arlington County, and I asked him about his 9/11 experience.

me - "You saw the plane fly into the Pentagon, right?"
copy - "Yep, I was sitting in traffic on 395 and responded shortly thereafter"
me - "You're SURE it wasn't a missle or a ganglet of geese, right?"
cop - "Yep, I've seen some planes before and I'm fairly sure that was a plane."

Yet we still have ******* like spandex throwing out these conspiracy theories where there wasn't a plane involved in hitting the Pentagon and what not.

Does your cop friend have a degree in Science from University of Wisconsin? Didn't think so.

houndawg wrote:

bandl wrote: Which reminds me...

I talked to my friend a little while ago, who is a cop in Arlington County, and I asked him about his 9/11 experience.

me - "You saw the plane fly into the Pentagon, right?"
copy - "Yep, I was sitting in traffic on 395 and responded shortly thereafter"
me - "You're SURE it wasn't a missle or a ganglet of geese, right?"
cop - "Yep, I've seen some planes before and I'm fairly sure that was a plane."

Yet we still have ******* like spandex throwing out these conspiracy theories where there wasn't a plane involved in hitting the Pentagon and what not.

Does your cop friend have a degree in Science from University of Wisconsin? Didn't think so.

Degree in musical performance from Florida State. I'd have to say his eyes work well though now that he is their chief firearms instructor.

Yeah, I've got a friend who was there too..

Actually, I've got two friends who were there and say they saw a missile, so that puts it to rest

[youtube][/youtube]

Why won't the Pentagon release any of the 50 cameras that captured the strike clearly after 10 years. THINK THINK THINK.

expandspanos wrote:Yeah, I've got a friend who was there too..

Actually, I've got two friends who were there and say they saw a missile, so that puts it to rest

[youtube][/youtube]

Why won't the Pentagon release any of the 50 cameras that captured the strike clearly after 10 years. THINK THINK THINK.

Why'd you completely change your post from "Did your friend swear in his testimony..." to this? It's a conspiracy!

Anyways, I'll ask him the next time I see him. If he exists....

Just curious, but what are your thoughts on the first moon landing?

expandspanos wrote:Yeah, I've got a friend who was there too..

Actually, I've got two friends who were there and say they saw a missile, so that puts it to rest

[youtube][/youtube]

Why won't the Pentagon release any of the 50 cameras that captured the strike clearly after 10 years. THINK THINK THINK.

How do you explain AIRCRAFT WRECKAGE at the site? Enlighten me.

houndawg wrote:This is different, spandex has a degree in science from UW. Says he does, anyway.

I figure since you are so quick to question other people's degrees, jobs, etc., that you would have no problem offering up yours to the board. Right? Will you tell us what your credentials are, or will you just be a the coward that you appear to be? Put up or shut up, coward. I'll wait.

ASUG8 wrote:

expandspanos wrote:Yeah, I've got a friend who was there too..

Actually, I've got two friends who were there and say they saw a missile, so that puts it to rest

[youtube][/youtube]

Why won't the Pentagon release any of the 50 cameras that captured the strike clearly after 10 years. THINK THINK THINK.

How do you explain AIRCRAFT WRECKAGE at the site? Enlighten me.

Well, they carried away all the debris by hand minutes after the crash, and the one engine they claimed was from a Boeing wasn't, so it was probably was either just a Rayetheon Global Hawk drone painted like an Americans Airline plane.



Or it was a scud missile, after a plane flew over beforehand (as the video I posted, the Pentagon brings up).

Within minutes of the attack, Pentagon workers were seeing "carrying off" debris.. guess they got all of the airplane.

Strange that people would be picking up pieces of metal and carrying them away.



There should be a huge amount of airplane on the exterior of the Pentagon- but what do we see?



The burden of proof lies on the government, who refuses to release all the video camera footage they confiscated immediately after the attack.. Show me the proof!

OpieGSU wrote:

houndawg wrote:This is different, spandex has a degree in science from UW. Says he does, anyway.

I figure since you are so quick to question other people's degrees, jobs, etc., that you would have no problem offering up yours to the board. Right? Will you tell us what your credentials are, or will you just be a the coward that you appear to be? Put up or shut up, coward. I'll wait.

My degree is in Engineering, Oboe.


More work than law school.

It took Mark Loizeaux and the folks at CDI (Controlled Demolitions, Inc.) the family owned business you see on The Discovery Channel about 6 months to prepare the Kingdome in Seattle for a controlled implosion to bring it down in its own footprint. Part of their preparation included removing a center support span, and the placement of hundreds of charges.....

9/11 Conspiracy theorists will have you believe that the same task was accomplished in about three hours on the Friday afternoon before the attacks, but a handfull of guys who managed to drill holes and plant explosive devices, all without being detected.

I never had the opportunity to enter the Stair Well at the WTC, but I DID climb the stairs at the Empire State Building for giggles one weekend, and that task alone took about an hour and fifteen minutes. Add drilling and explosive placement time AND having to actually haul the explosives in without being seen and it sorta boggles the mind that anybody can believe the Government was able to pull it off....in not one but three buildings without being detected...

Louizeaux has plenty of YouTube instructional videos out there commenting on 9/11. I interviewed him right after the Kingdome Implosion as part of an article I wrote on Preparing for Manmade Disasters for a Claims and Risk publication. Nice guy. Incredibly knowledgeable and super smart...

If you want to hear a guy who does controlled demoliton refute the 9/11 conspiracy garbage, then look him up

Cordite, you forgot to mention the strong smell of cordite at the site.

Where are the pilots/flight crew/passengers? Witness relocation? Area 51?

expandspanos wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:
How do you explain AIRCRAFT WRECKAGE at the site? Enlighten me.

Well, they carried away all the debris by hand minutes after the crash, and the one engine they claimed was from a Boeing wasn't, so it was probably was either just a Rayetheon Global Hawk drone painted like an Americans Airline plane.



Or it was a scud missile, after a plane flew over beforehand (as the video I posted, the Pentagon brings up).

Within minutes of the attack, Pentagon workers were seeing "carrying off" debris.. guess they got all of the airplane.

Strange that people would be picking up pieces of metal and carrying them away.



There should be a huge amount of airplane on the exterior of the Pentagon- but what do we see?



The burden of proof lies on the government, who refuses to release all the video camera footage they confiscated immediately after the attack.. Show me the proof!

Much too shallow of an angle for a missile, sandbox.

And where are they keeping all the passengers from the plane that didn't strike the Pentagon?

expandspanos wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:
How do you explain AIRCRAFT WRECKAGE at the site? Enlighten me.

Well, they carried away all the debris by hand minutes after the crash, and the one engine they claimed was from a Boeing wasn't, so it was probably was either just a Rayetheon Global Hawk drone painted like an Americans Airline plane.



Or it was a scud missile, after a plane flew over beforehand (as the video I posted, the Pentagon brings up).

Within minutes of the attack, Pentagon workers were seeing "carrying off" debris.. guess they got all of the airplane.

Strange that people would be picking up pieces of metal and carrying them away.



There should be a huge amount of airplane on the exterior of the Pentagon- but what do we see?



The burden of proof lies on the government, who refuses to release all the video camera footage they confiscated immediately after the attack.. Show me the proof!

Yeah, and you shoulda seen the tiny size of the Space Shuttle wreckage that rednecks around here were hauling off not too long ago....Gee, you've got guys working in the Pentagon with security clearance, CIA access and a direct link to Jane's Directory of Aircraft and Weaonry at their fingertips. Yes, clearly, they're going to leave pieces of evidence right where they lay and not try to make sure they can properly ID the plane that hit their building. Yes, experts gathering evidence next to their own building is clearly cause for concern.

A government installation had just been militarily attacked. Which experts would YOU hire to look for clues?

As an aside, my good friend, Jack Kelly, long time McNeese fan who posts on AGS under the name MSU-77 was in traffic less than a block from the point of impact. He saw the whole thing and has written about it fairly extensively. He says he clearly saw the airliner go right over him and then crash into the Pentagon. Debris rained down all around him and on his car....

If he said he saw it, that's good enough for me....

FormerPokeCenter wrote:It took Mark Loizeaux and the folks at CDI (Controlled Demolitions, Inc.) the family owned business you see on The Discovery Channel about 6 months to prepare the Kingdome in Seattle for a controlled implosion to bring it down in its own footprint. Part of their preparation included removing a center support span, and the placement of hundreds of charges.....

9/11 Conspiracy theorists will have you believe that the same task was accomplished in about three hours on the Friday afternoon before the attacks, but a handfull of guys who managed to drill holes and plant explosive devices, all without being detected.

I never had the opportunity to enter the Stair Well at the WTC, but I DID climb the stairs at the Empire State Building for giggles one weekend, and that task alone took about an hour and fifteen minutes. Add drilling and explosive placement time AND having to actually haul the explosives in without being seen and it sorta boggles the mind that anybody can believe the Government was able to pull it off....in not one but three buildings without being detected...

Louizeaux has plenty of YouTube instructional videos out there commenting on 9/11. I interviewed him right after the Kingdome Implosion as part of an article I wrote on Preparing for Manmade Disasters for a Claims and Risk publication. Nice guy. Incredibly knowledgeable and super smart...

If you want to hear a guy who does controlled demoliton refute the 9/11 conspiracy garbage, then look him up

Um.. where are you getting this?

If controlled demolitions were used on the WTC it would have obviously been done months in advance. No 9/11 truther is saying that it took place right before the attacks happened.

George Bush's brother was the head of security at the WTC, and in the days leading up to the attacks they had removed bomb-sniffing dogs, and also were undergoing elevator shaft renovations which would allow access to the interior collumns.

The "Pancake Theory" fed to the entire country does not explain what happened to the central core columns of the building- where the elevators were- pancake can't explain that dissappearing.

Pancake theory also does not explain the freefall speed at which WTC 7 fell, as conservation of momentum would make the collapse take much longer, unless the under infrastructure of the building was removed.

So, we've got the president's brother Marvin P. Bush, working as head security for the complex at Securacom, We've got Larry Silverstein who took out a multi-billion dollar insurance policy against multiple acts of terrorism less than a year before. The attacks.. so far nothing suspicious going on.

We've got a World Trade Center Complex that is full of Asbestos, and will coast billions of dollars to remove (and had been rejected for demolition previously against the wishes of the property owners), and we've got construction crews going in and out of the building right before the attacks who are not filmed by cameras, and are working night on all floors of the Complex.

Yeah.. nothing to worry about.

FormerPokeCenter wrote:It took Mark Loizeaux and the folks at CDI (Controlled Demolitions, Inc.) the family owned business you see on The Discovery Channel about 6 months to prepare the Kingdome in Seattle for a controlled implosion to bring it down in its own footprint. Part of their preparation included removing a center support span, and the placement of hundreds of charges.....

9/11 Conspiracy theorists will have you believe that the same task was accomplished in about three hours on the Friday afternoon before the attacks, but a handfull of guys who managed to drill holes and plant explosive devices, all without being detected.

I never had the opportunity to enter the Stair Well at the WTC, but I DID climb the stairs at the Empire State Building for giggles one weekend, and that task alone took about an hour and fifteen minutes. Add drilling and explosive placement time AND having to actually haul the explosives in without being seen and it sorta boggles the mind that anybody can believe the Government was able to pull it off....in not one but three buildings without being detected...

Louizeaux has plenty of YouTube instructional videos out there commenting on 9/11. I interviewed him right after the Kingdome Implosion as part of an article I wrote on Preparing for Manmade Disasters for a Claims and Risk publication. Nice guy. Incredibly knowledgeable and super smart...

If you want to hear a guy who does controlled demoliton refute the 9/11 conspiracy garbage, then look him up

Worked in ordnance and commercial explosives for almost ten years. What is confusing is that somebody who claims a degree in science from a prestigious school is so willing to not believe the laws of nature that were pounded into him on a daily basis if he really has the cred he claims. It's one thing for some peckerwood English major like oblie not to understand the laws of physics, but sandbox has no excuse for his ignorance with his background.

houndawg wrote:

FormerPokeCenter wrote:It took Mark Loizeaux and the folks at CDI (Controlled Demolitions, Inc.) the family owned business you see on The Discovery Channel about 6 months to prepare the Kingdome in Seattle for a controlled implosion to bring it down in its own footprint. Part of their preparation included removing a center support span, and the placement of hundreds of charges.....

9/11 Conspiracy theorists will have you believe that the same task was accomplished in about three hours on the Friday afternoon before the attacks, but a handfull of guys who managed to drill holes and plant explosive devices, all without being detected.

I never had the opportunity to enter the Stair Well at the WTC, but I DID climb the stairs at the Empire State Building for giggles one weekend, and that task alone took about an hour and fifteen minutes. Add drilling and explosive placement time AND having to actually haul the explosives in without being seen and it sorta boggles the mind that anybody can believe the Government was able to pull it off....in not one but three buildings without being detected...

Louizeaux has plenty of YouTube instructional videos out there commenting on 9/11. I interviewed him right after the Kingdome Implosion as part of an article I wrote on Preparing for Manmade Disasters for a Claims and Risk publication. Nice guy. Incredibly knowledgeable and super smart...

If you want to hear a guy who does controlled demoliton refute the 9/11 conspiracy garbage, then look him up

Worked in ordnance and commercial explosives for almost ten years. What is confusing is that somebody who claims a degree in science from a prestigious school is so willing to not believe the laws of nature that were pounded into him on a daily basis if he really has the cred he claims. It's one thing for some peckerwood English major like oblie not to understand the laws of physics, but sandbox has no excuse for his ignorance with his background.

YOU Don't understand the laws of physics if you think a 47 story steel skyscraper can fall at freefall speed into the path of most resistance.

The building fell at the same speed a billard ball would have if you had dropped it, and nothing was below it. This is impossible without the structure below being removed and providing no resistance.

This is high school physics.. YOU don't understand.

[quote="expandspanos"]

FormerPokeCenter wrote:It took Mark Loizeaux and the folks at CDI (Controlled Demolitions, Inc.) the family owned business you see on The Discovery Channel about 6 months to prepare the Kingdome in Seattle for a controlled implosion to bring it down in its own footprint. Part of their preparation included removing a center support span, and the placement of hundreds of charges.....

9/11 Conspiracy theorists will have you believe that the same task was accomplished in about three hours on the Friday afternoon before the attacks, but a handfull of guys who managed to drill holes and plant explosive devices, all without being detected.

I never had the opportunity to enter the Stair Well at the WTC, but I DID climb the stairs at the Empire State Building for giggles one weekend, and that task alone took about an hour and fifteen minutes. Add drilling and explosive placement time AND having to actually haul the explosives in without being seen and it sorta boggles the mind that anybody can believe the Government was able to pull it off....in not one but three buildings without being detected...

Louizeaux has plenty of YouTube instructional videos out there commenting on 9/11. I interviewed him right after the Kingdome Implosion as part of an article I wrote on Preparing for Manmade Disasters for a Claims and Risk publication. Nice guy. Incredibly knowledgeable and super smart...

If you want to hear a guy who does controlled demoliton refute the 9/11 conspiracy garbage, then look him up

Um.. where are you getting this?

If controlled demolitions were used on the WTC it would have obviously been done months in advance. No 9/11 truther is saying that it took place right before the attacks happened.

George Bush's brother was the head of security at the WTC, and in the days leading up to the attacks they had removed bomb-sniffing dogs, and also were undergoing elevator shaft renovations which would allow access to the interior collumns.

The "Pancake Theory" fed to the entire country does not explain what happened to the central core columns of the building- where the elevators were- pancake can't explain that dissappearing.

Pancake theory also does not explain the freefall speed at which WTC 7 fell, as conservation of momentum would make the collapse take much longer, unless the under infrastructure of the building was removed.

So, we've got the president's brother Marvin P. Bush, working as head security for the complex at Securacom, We've got Larry Silverstein who took out a multi-billion dollar insurance policy against multiple acts of terrorism less than a year before. The attacks.. so far nothing suspicious going on.

We've got a World Trade Center Complex that is full of Asbestos, and will coast billions of dollars to remove (and had been rejected for demolition previously against the wishes of the property owners), and we've got construction crews going in and out of the building right before the attacks who are not filmed by cameras, and are working night on all floors of the Complex.

Yeah.. nothing to worry about.[/quote]



And when are you going to show us something peer-reviewed in a reputable engineering or science journal? And not that jive from the last outfit you tried to pass off as legit that was busted accepted a phony paper.

I still think you're lying about your degree in science. No way you went through that kind of curriculum and expect anybody to swallow the nonsense you post.

expandspanos wrote:

houndawg wrote:

Worked in ordnance and commercial explosives for almost ten years. What is confusing is that somebody who claims a degree in science from a prestigious school is so willing to not believe the laws of nature that were pounded into him on a daily basis if he really has the cred he claims. It's one thing for some peckerwood English major like oblie not to understand the laws of physics, but sandbox has no excuse for his ignorance with his background.

YOU Don't understand the laws of physics if you think a 47 story steel skyscraper can fall at freefall speed into the path of most resistance.

The building fell at the same speed a billard ball would have if you had dropped it, and nothing was below it. This is impossible without the structure below being removed and providing no resistance.

This is high school physics.. YOU don't understand.

Bullshit.

Where's the peer-reviewed literature from reputable journals?

Where are the passengers?

You always duck the same questions, sandwedge.

Two things....

Marvin Bush wasn't the head of security for the WTC. He was on the Board of Securacom from 1993 to 2000. He had no invovlement with the company on 9/11.

Second, it's been widely reported that there was damage to the lower floors of WTC 7 from the previously fallen towers. Those finally gave way and the whole thing came down....

The elevator shafts were not long and continuous. There were clusters of shafts of varying lengths. It was not possible to go from the basement to the roof in one elevator ride. Pancaking can and did cause the various elevator shafts to fall inwards on themselves.

Only a moron or a conspiracy nut would think otherwise....Additionally, you're not accounting for the structural degredation of the metal in the elevator shafts from the fires.

Otherwise, aside from completely disregarding the facts, you're all over this. Keep up the good work and don't let those pesky facts get in the way....

houndawg wrote:

expandspanos wrote:
YOU Don't understand the laws of physics if you think a 47 story steel skyscraper can fall at freefall speed into the path of most resistance.

The building fell at the same speed a billard ball would have if you had dropped it, and nothing was below it. This is impossible without the structure below being removed and providing no resistance.

This is high school physics.. YOU don't understand.

Bullshit.

Where's the peer-reviewed literature from reputable journals?

Where are the passengers?

You always duck the same questions, sandwedge.

Where are the Passengers? - well, that's a great question. Most plane crashes have plenty of bodies, chairs, and luggage all around, but neither the Pentagon or Shanksville shows any.

Thanks for proving my point.

expandspanos wrote:

houndawg wrote:
Bullshit.

Where's the peer-reviewed literature from reputable journals?

Where are the passengers?

You always duck the same questions, sandwedge.

Where are the Passengers? - well, that's a great question. Most plane crashes have plenty of bodies, chairs, and luggage all around, but neither the Pentagon or Shanksville shows any.

Thanks for proving my point.

So, I'll try to keep up here.....there are families all over the US missing a family member from these crashes that never took place, so where are these people? If there were no bodies found did they just vaporize? Were they real people in the first place or just manufactured identities? How much money and coordination does it take to make families believe that the people they thought they knew weren't real and keep quiet about it?