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Why MSNBC is not a legitimate news organization

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:37 pm
by ODUsmitty
A lonely, unwatched, liberal echo chamber. Ed Schultz, mysoginist and violent liberal scream jock cherry picks one statement from noted Conservative Economist (and George Mason Proff) Walter Williams. Here is how it went down.


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... oxs-stosse

Quote:
ED SCHULTZ, HOST: And in Psycho Talk tonight, Rush Limbaugh’s favorite fill-in host Walter Williams. We welcome him to the zone tonight. He’s the perfect substitute for Limbaugh because last year he went on the radio and said he believes in keeping wives under control. But sexism isn’t all that he’s good at. Here’s what happened when Fox’s John Stossel put Walter on the TV this weekend.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOHN STOSSEL: Government is like a giant drug pusher?

WALTER WILLIAMS, ECONOMIST: That's absolutely right. The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery could not have done, the harshest Jim Crow laws and racism could not have done, namely break up the black family.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Walter Williams should know better than to compare slavery and welfare. Slavery is perhaps the biggest stain on American history. It turned human beings into property. It doesn’t get much worse than that, does it? Meanwhile, welfare programs help American families survive when they’re destitute. Welfare helps folks meet their basic needs while they lift themselves up and get back on their feet. So for Walter Williams to say welfare has hurt black families more than slavery, pretty cruel psycho talk, don’t you think?

Actually, Williams didn't say "welfare has hurt black families more than slavery." He said, "The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery could not have done."


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Now - when we listen to Dr. Williams ENTIRE statement - we hear some very hard facts that put his statement into context and proves that Fox is winning because it does a better job than the third rank left-wing wannabe - MSNBC.

Quote:
STOSSEL: Government is like a giant drug pusher?

WILLIAMS: That's absolutely right. The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery could not have done, the harshest Jim Crow laws and racism could not have done, namely break up the black family. That is, today, just slightly over 30 percent of black kids live in two parent families.

Historically, from 1870s on up to about 1940s, and depending on the city, 75 to 90 percent of black kids lived in two parent families. Illegitimacy rate is 70 percent among blacks where that is unprecedented in our history.

Now, it's not just a matter of a racial thing, in Sweden is the mother of the welfare state and illegitimacy in Sweden is 54 percent.

STOSSEL: And why does a welfare state create illegitimacy?

WILLIAMS: Well, because, look, if you subsidize anything, you're going to get surpluses of it, and if you tax something you're going to get less of it. If you did not get welfare, then people would decide, I'm going to go out and get a job, I'm going to live more responsibly.

STOSSEL: I'm going to get married before I have children.

WILLIAMS: That's absolutely right.

STOSSEL: But the welfare state actually discouraged some men from marrying the woman, she would lose the check.

WILLIAMS: That's right, the government has said to many young women, I am the father. And so the father, black males, have become dispensable.

STOSSEL: Black illegitimacy was 19 percent in 1940, but it skyrocketed during the Great Society and now it's over 70 percent.

WILLIAMS: Yes, and that's a heck of a start in life, that is, to be born -- you don't know who or where your father is, that's not really great start in life.

Makes a little more sense with all of the actual data, doesn't it?

But the folks at MSNBC weren't done making fools of themselves, for at the website's video page for "The Ed Show," the following advertised the segment in question:

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Re: Why MSNBC is not a legitimate news organization

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:09 pm
by Skjellyfetti
For the same reason Fox News isn't?

Re: Why MSNBC is not a legitimate news organization

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:16 pm
by ODUsmitty
Typical and expected response. You may be correct, but without specific examples, your assertions are just that.

Re: Why MSNBC is not a legitimate news organization

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:19 pm
by CID1990
JayBilasBitesPillows wrote:Typical and expected response. You may be correct, but without specific examples, your assertions are just that.
You just killed this thread.

(Although I like the fact that Felchy is going to have to watch a LOT of FOX video while he surfs for his examples in retort to you)

Re: Why MSNBC is not a legitimate news organization

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:23 pm
by Skjellyfetti
You're right. Fox News is Fair and Balanced. My mistake. Please accept my dearest and sincerest apologies for thinking Sean Hannity is anywhere close to the same ballpark as Ed Schultz. Hannity is completely fair and reasoned in his arguments and never lashes out at guests.

Re: Why MSNBC is not a legitimate news organization

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:07 am
by Appaholic
JayBilasBitesPillows wrote:Typical and expected response. You may be correct, but without specific examples, your assertions are just that.
In pursuit of being fair & balanced...

On March 1, Dane101 posted video captured by contributing photographer Phil Ejercito of protesters following Wisconsin Assemblyman Glen Grothman as he sought to find an entrance into the locked down Wisconsin State Capitol building. The multiple entrances to the building have been sealed to limit the flow of traffic into and out of the building. Fox News contacted dane101 and Ejercito for permission to specifically use the video on Your World with Neil Cavuto, which was granted. The decision to post the video and allow a national news organization to use the video was made due to the fact that the incident did happen and we aren't interested in censoring reality. Dane101 Business Manager Michael Donnelly made additional comments regarding the decision to post the video at his blog. It was, indeed, an unfortunate and isolated incident in a two week protest that even the Madison Police Department has consistently praised for peacefulness and organization.

Yesterday, the footage that was provided to Cavuto's show ended up on the Sean Hannity show where he interviewed professional pundit and conservative intellectual Michelle Malkin. The duo made a number of misstatements and seeing as the footage partially came from dane101 (although Phil retains all of the rights to his work) I feel like we have an obligation to correct the record.

1) Malkin: "...we have this kind of confrontation, near riot, I think was the term that Senator Grothman used when he initially described it..." Actually, when Grothman initially described the incident, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, he said nothing of it being a "near riot":

"I really think if I had had to, I could have walked through the crowd and it would have been okay," he told the Cap Times. "They're loud, they'll give you the finger, and they yell at you, but I really think deep down inside they're just mostly college kids having fun, just like they're having fun sleeping with their girfriends on air mattresses. That's the guts of that crowd."

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/117228243.html

2) Hannity: "...this guy is, you know, trying to find his way to an open door." Hannity fails to note why a member of the Wisconsin legislator is having a hard time finding an open door during business hours into a Capitol which has more than eight ground level entrances that until this week are typically all open.

3) Hannity on protest signs: "It goes on and on, you know, Mussolini, Hitler, Nazi. Compared that to, if any Tea Party group used similar signs, this would be, you know, the talk of the country for weeks if not days." These signs are few and far between and dane101 was the first local publication to call out the appearance of a "Hitler" sign at the rallies as being inappropriate. However, it is unfortunate that Hannity seems to have forgotten that such signs were common at Tea Party rallies. I took pictures of some right here in Madison in April 2009. They even threatened violence, said Obama was a terrorist, and suggested the President wanted to enslave "whites." The Tea Party even went as far as to put it's name on billboards comparing Obama to Hitler. Hannity and Malkin didn't once, as far as I can find, call out these comparisons as inappropriate.


http://www.dane101.com/current/2011/03/ ... erm_memory

Re: Why MSNBC is not a legitimate news organization

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:47 am
by kalm
MSNBC is an infotainment network, so is Fox. Ed Shultz is a commentator, his show is opinion, not news (and quite franky - extremely boring). But if you wanted to indite MSNBC for not being a legitimate news organization maybe you should have used one of their news hours as an example. :coffee:

Re: Why MSNBC is not a legitimate news organization

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:23 am
by Appaholic
kalm wrote:MSNBC is an infotainment network, so is Fox. Ed Shultz is a commentator, his show is opinion, not news (and quite franky - extremely boring). But if you wanted to indite MSNBC for not being a legitimate news organization maybe you should have used one of their news hours as an example. :coffee:
Bingo!

Re: Why MSNBC is not a legitimate news organization

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:38 pm
by JohnStOnge
Appaholic, I read that long thing from Dane101. Nothing in it objectively refutes anything. For instance, the fact that there were certain quotes by the politician who couldn't get to where he wanted to go that did not include the term near riot does not mean he didn't describe the situation as a near riot. It just means he was reported as doing so in the two instances Dane101 described.

Regardless, whether one looked at Fox News reports or any other reports on that Wisconsin thing the behavior and posture of the union protestors was disgusting. The Entitlement Mentality on full display.

Re: Why MSNBC is not a legitimate news organization

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:52 pm
by ming01
Skjellyfetti wrote:You're right. Fox News is Fair and Balanced. My mistake. Please accept my dearest and sincerest apologies for thinking Sean Hannity is anywhere close to the same ballpark as Ed Schultz. Hannity is completely fair and reasoned in his arguments and never lashes out at guests.
hannity is a political commentator not a news reporter

Re: Why MSNBC is not a legitimate news organization

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:14 am
by kalm
ming01 wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:You're right. Fox News is Fair and Balanced. My mistake. Please accept my dearest and sincerest apologies for thinking Sean Hannity is anywhere close to the same ballpark as Ed Schultz. Hannity is completely fair and reasoned in his arguments and never lashes out at guests.
hannity is a political commentator not a news reporter
Same as Ed Schultz.

Re: Why MSNBC is not a legitimate news organization

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:08 am
by YoUDeeMan
kalm wrote:
ming01 wrote:
hannity is a political commentator not a news reporter
Same as Ed Schultz.
Toss in NPR as a left leaning operation. This morning there was a report on the debate about whether Qwadaffy is using rape as a tool in the war against the rebels. One reporter commented about the UN report stating that they don't have proof of such things, but they have some stories that they are trying to corroborate. They played a tape of a soldier "admitting" he was forced by officers to rape some women...but he later also said he was paid 10 dinars to rape them. No one caught that little oddity. Was he forced or was he paid? 8-)

The reporter then added that the same UN report also highlighted that the rebels have been guilty (not suspected) of committing atrocities against migrant workers and was about to go deeper...but the second reporter immediately cut her off, ignored the rebel atrocities, and went back to the reports about Ghadhafii's troops using rape to intimidate the women.

Ooops...we can't hear about the rebels being bad guys now can we? :ohno:

Re: Why MSNBC is not a legitimate news organization

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:20 am
by DSUrocks07
Cluck U wrote:
kalm wrote:
Same as Ed Schultz.
Toss in NPR as a left leaning operation. This morning there was a report on the debate about whether Qwadaffy is using rape as a tool in the war against the rebels. One reporter commented about the UN report stating that they don't have proof of such things, but they have some stories that they are trying to corroborate. They played a tape of a soldier "admitting" he was forced by officers to rape some women...but he later also said he was paid 10 dinars to rape them. No one caught that little oddity. Was he forced or was he paid? 8-)

The reporter then added that the same UN report also highlighted that the rebels have been guilty (not suspected) of committing atrocities against migrant workers and was about to go deeper...but the second reporter immediately cut her off, ignored the rebel atrocities, and went back to the reports about Ghadhafii's troops using rape to intimidate the women.

Ooops...we can't hear about the rebels being bad guys now can we? :ohno:
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Re: Why MSNBC is not a legitimate news organization

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:39 am
by YoUDeeMan
DSUrocks07 wrote:[youtube][/youtube]
:rofl:

Stupid reporters. :tothehand:

Re: Why MSNBC is not a legitimate news organization

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:29 pm
by ming01
kalm wrote:
ming01 wrote:
hannity is a political commentator not a news reporter
Same as Ed Schultz.
yes, yes he is

Re: Why MSNBC is not a legitimate news organization

Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:14 am
by Appaholic
JohnStOnge wrote:Regardless, whether one looked at Fox News reports or any other reports on that Wisconsin thing the behavior and posture of the union protestors was disgusting. The Entitlement Mentality on full display.
I concur