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gone, and Romney up 3 on Obama.

Obama loses bin Laden bounce; Romney on the move among GOP contenders

"The public opinion boost President Obama received after the killing of Osama bin Laden has dissipated, and Americans’ disapproval of how he is handling the nation’s economy and the deficit has reached new highs, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

The survey portrays a broadly pessimistic mood in the country this spring as higher gasoline prices, sliding home values and a disappointing employment picture have raised fresh concerns about the pace of the economic recovery.

By 2 to 1, Americans say the country is pretty seriously on the wrong track, and nine in 10 continue to rate the economy in negative terms. Nearly six in 10 say the economy has not started to recover, regardless of what official statistics may say, and most of those who say it has improved rate the recovery as weak.

New Post-ABC numbers show Obama leading five of six potential Republican presidential rivals tested in the poll. But he is in a dead heat with former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, who formally announced his 2012 candidacy last week, making jobs and the economy the central issues in his campaign.

Among all Americans, Obama and Romney are knotted at 47 percent each, and among registered voters, the former governor is numerically ahead, 49 percent to 46 percent.

Overall, about six in 10 of those surveyed give Obama negative marks on the economy and the deficit. Significantly, nearly half strongly disapprove of his performance in these two crucial areas. Nearly two-thirds of political independents disapprove of the president’s handling of the economy, including — for the first time — a slim majority who do so strongly."



Queue TTBF, Jelly, houndawg, Grizzfan, and the rest of Obama's waterboys in 3...2...1...

The election, like really almost any election, will be and always has been about the economy. If we're still treading water or are actually worse by this time next year, Obama is in serious trouble despite being the incumbent. If we're better off, then he cruises to re-election. That's really all that matters when people are going to vote (well, except for the hard core R's that only vote R and the hard core D's that only vote D).

GannonFan wrote:The election, like really almost any election, will be and always has been about the economy. If we're still treading water or are actually worse by this time next year, Obama is in serious trouble despite being the incumbent. If we're better off, then he cruises to re-election. That's really all that matters when people are going to vote (well, except for the hard core R's that only vote R and the hard core D's that only vote D).

No doubt that Obama will wrap up the Black and Hispanic vote, but the rest is a lot harder to judge. Romney sort of has the reputation for being a bit of a windsock on his positions, so he'll have to nail that down during the primaries and beyond to be a serious contender. Additionally, he has the Mormon issue which will likely scare away a number of voters (although the possible Muslim spectre didn't appear to damage Obama too much) He's been pro-choice and pro-life and takes a pretty conservative approach on a lot of social issues. I'll have to see where he lands on the positions during the campaign, but I think from an experience perspective he trumps (no pun intended ) Obama, especially with regard to the economy which will be huge. Taking a leap to assume he can get the nomination it should be interesting to see him and Obama compare/contrast their positions and qualifications.

Baldy wrote:gone, and Romney up 3 on Obama.

Obama loses bin Laden bounce; Romney on the move among GOP contenders

"The public opinion boost President Obama received after the killing of Osama bin Laden has dissipated, and Americans’ disapproval of how he is handling the nation’s economy and the deficit has reached new highs, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

The survey portrays a broadly pessimistic mood in the country this spring as higher gasoline prices, sliding home values and a disappointing employment picture have raised fresh concerns about the pace of the economic recovery.

By 2 to 1, Americans say the country is pretty seriously on the wrong track, and nine in 10 continue to rate the economy in negative terms. Nearly six in 10 say the economy has not started to recover, regardless of what official statistics may say, and most of those who say it has improved rate the recovery as weak.

New Post-ABC numbers show Obama leading five of six potential Republican presidential rivals tested in the poll. But he is in a dead heat with former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, who formally announced his 2012 candidacy last week, making jobs and the economy the central issues in his campaign.

Among all Americans, Obama and Romney are knotted at 47 percent each, and among registered voters, the former governor is numerically ahead, 49 percent to 46 percent.

Overall, about six in 10 of those surveyed give Obama negative marks on the economy and the deficit. Significantly, nearly half strongly disapprove of his performance in these two crucial areas. Nearly two-thirds of political independents disapprove of the president’s handling of the economy, including — for the first time — a slim majority who do so strongly."
Queue TTBF, Jelly, houndawg, Grizzfan, and the rest of Obama's waterboys in 3...2...1...

I think you meant GayAllTheWay.

GannonFan wrote:The election, like really almost any election, will be and always has been about the economy. If we're still treading water or are actually worse by this time next year, Obama is in serious trouble despite being the incumbent. If we're better off, then he cruises to re-election. That's really all that matters when people are going to vote (well, except for the hard core R's that only vote R and the hard core D's that only vote D).

I believe this as well...

GannonFan wrote:The election, like really almost any election, will be and always has been about the economy. If we're still treading water or are actually worse by this time next year, Obama is in serious trouble despite being the incumbent. If we're better off, then he cruises to re-election. That's really all that matters when people are going to vote (well, except for the hard core R's that only vote R and the hard core D's that only vote D).

Except that what seems highly likely at this point is that the GOP produces a candidate that makes everyone go "meh" like they did when put up Kerry against Bush... the result is a turnout battle among the party bases (which is all elections are anyway)...

the problem with "meh" against an incumbent is that voters don't feel compelled to make a change to "meh"... while their base is in a lather about Obama - and assumes everyone else is too - they are behaving EXACTLY like the Donks did about Bush... not a recipe for electoral success...

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

GannonFan wrote:The election, like really almost any election, will be and always has been about the economy. If we're still treading water or are actually worse by this time next year, Obama is in serious trouble despite being the incumbent. If we're better off, then he cruises to re-election. That's really all that matters when people are going to vote (well, except for the hard core R's that only vote R and the hard core D's that only vote D).

Except that what seems highly likely at this point is that the GOP produces a candidate that makes everyone go "meh" like they did when put up Kerry against Bush... the result is a turnout battle among the party bases (which is all elections are anyway)...

the problem with "meh" against an incumbent is that voters don't feel compelled to make a change to "meh"... while their base is in a lather about Obama - and assumes everyone else is too - they are behaving EXACTLY like the Donks did about Bush... not a recipe for electoral success...

The way things are going with Obama against the Republican survivor, the winner may be the person with the largest extended family. Staying home may be the most positive action a person could take.

Let me see. Is Romney still a Mormon? Check.

Next candidate.

93henfan wrote:Let me see. Is Romney still a Mormon? Check.

Next candidate.

Is Romney still supporting Romneycare, check,

Next Tea Bagger

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

GannonFan wrote:The election, like really almost any election, will be and always has been about the economy. If we're still treading water or are actually worse by this time next year, Obama is in serious trouble despite being the incumbent. If we're better off, then he cruises to re-election. That's really all that matters when people are going to vote (well, except for the hard core R's that only vote R and the hard core D's that only vote D).

Except that what seems highly likely at this point is that the GOP produces a candidate that makes everyone go "meh" like they did when put up Kerry against Bush... the result is a turnout battle among the party bases (which is all elections are anyway)...

the problem with "meh" against an incumbent is that voters don't feel compelled to make a change to "meh"... while their base is in a lather about Obama - and assumes everyone else is too - they are behaving EXACTLY like the Donks did about Bush... not a recipe for electoral success...

Well, we'll disagree until the cows come home about what determines elections, that is, national Presidential elections - IMO, it's the turnout of the independent voters and the loosely affiliated ones that really matter. Party bases matter more in local races and off-year elections. Voting for the President, especially in these times when independent registration has increased so much, is about much more than the party bases.

The Kerry/Bush election might not be the best comparison - it didn't have a real exciteable economic component to it. At that point, the economy was fine. Not great, but not bad. It's hard to unseat an incumbent without a significant issue - Bush the Elder had the economy, Carter had the economy, Ford had the Nixon/saga and the economy, and Johnson had Vietnam. Bush the Younger didn't have any baggage like that, as even Iraq was never to the boiling point that those other things were. To some extent, the whole building up of the economic crisis as the Great Recession could work against Obama - if he's not able to correct things economically, it'll be something that could rise as a big enough problem to unseat an otherwise fine incumbent.

No one thought a thing of Clinton before the economy reared its ugly head in the '92 election. Heck, even though polls this out are nearly worthless, what it noteworthy is that a blah candidate like Romney can all of a sudden shoot up the polls versus Obama on the heels of bad economic news. If that's not a warning flare that Obama can be beat if the economy doesn't improve I'm not sure what would be. Blah candidates can become very enticing if the economy is bad.

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Except that what seems highly likely at this point is that the GOP produces a candidate that makes everyone go "meh" like they did when put up Kerry against Bush... the result is a turnout battle among the party bases (which is all elections are anyway)...

the problem with "meh" against an incumbent is that voters don't feel compelled to make a change to "meh"... while their base is in a lather about Obama - and assumes everyone else is too - they are behaving EXACTLY like the Donks did about Bush... not a recipe for electoral success...

You really think Obama will bring out the votes like he did in '08? Talk about 'meh'.

He's still over 50% on realclearpolitics. Not too shabby.

93henfan wrote:Let me see. Is Romney still a Mormon? Check.

Next candidate.

So, we'll elect a muslim president who cavorts with known terrorists, but not a Mormon?

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

GannonFan wrote:The election, like really almost any election, will be and always has been about the economy. If we're still treading water or are actually worse by this time next year, Obama is in serious trouble despite being the incumbent. If we're better off, then he cruises to re-election. That's really all that matters when people are going to vote (well, except for the hard core R's that only vote R and the hard core D's that only vote D).

Except that what seems highly likely at this point is that the GOP produces a candidate that makes everyone go "meh" like they did when put up Kerry against Bush... the result is a turnout battle among the party bases (which is all elections are anyway)...

the problem with "meh" against an incumbent is that voters don't feel compelled to make a change to "meh"... while their base is in a lather about Obama - and assumes everyone else is too - they are behaving EXACTLY like the Donks did about Bush... not a recipe for electoral success...

You're already spinning faster than an Iranian nuclear centrifuge.

CitadelGrad wrote: You're already spinning faster than an Iranian nuclear centrifuge.

He's exactly right.

All the Conks here seem pretty confident Obama will be defeated in 2012. No one seems interested in my open bet on 2012, though. You game, CitadelGrad?

Skjellyfetti wrote:

CitadelGrad wrote: You're already spinning faster than an Iranian nuclear centrifuge.

He's exactly right.

All the Conks here seem pretty confident Obama will be defeated in 2012. No one seems interested in my open bet on 2012, though. You game, CitadelGrad?

What is your open bet on 2012, Herr Spindoktor?

Skjellyfetti wrote:All the Conks here seem pretty confident Obama will be defeated in 2012.

What message boards have you been reading?

Ivytalk wrote: What is your open bet on 2012, Herr Spindoktor?

100 bucks. No one's interested.

No one here pays up on their bets, anyway. Except AZ. So, whatever.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Ivytalk wrote: What is your open bet on 2012, Herr Spindoktor?

100 bucks. No one's interested.

No one here pays up on their bets, anyway. Except AZ. So, whatever.

Cash is a boring bet anyway. Much better to have a YouTube photo of you in a pro-Palin t-shirt and no pants.

Ivytalk wrote: Cash is a boring bet anyway. Much better to have a YouTube photo of you in a pro-Palin t-shirt and no pants.

Sounds good.

If Obama wins... you post a YouTube video of you sucking an Obama dildo.


Deal?

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Ivytalk wrote: Cash is a boring bet anyway. Much better to have a YouTube photo of you in a pro-Palin t-shirt and no pants.

Sounds good.

If Obama wins... you post a YouTube video of you sucking an Obama dildo.


Deal?

He really IS a dickhead....

Would be more interesting if somebody would predict who the GOP nominee is actually going to be, or at least which candidate is most likely to win the nomination.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Ivytalk wrote: Cash is a boring bet anyway. Much better to have a YouTube photo of you in a pro-Palin t-shirt and no pants.

Sounds good.

If Obama wins... you post a YouTube video of you sucking an Obama dildo.


Deal?

Crikey, whippersnapper! Where do you find that shit?

Ivytalk wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:
Sounds good.

If Obama wins... you post a YouTube video of you sucking an Obama dildo.


Deal?

Crikey, whippersnapper! Where do you find that shit?

His rectum, most likely.

Wedgebuster wrote:Would be more interesting if somebody would predict who the GOP nominee is actually going to be, or at least which candidate is most likely to win the nomination.

My current order (not my PREFERENCE, mind you, but my prediction):

1) Mitt Romney
2) Tim Pawlenty
3) Herman Cain (dark horse candidate See what I did there, Opie?)