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This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:04 am
by Grizalltheway
Discuss.
Saying it is "unfair for Florida taxpayers to subsidize drug addiction," Gov. Rick Scott on Tuesday signed legislation requiring adults applying for welfare assistance to undergo drug screening.
"It's the right thing for taxpayers," Scott said after signing the measure. "It's the right thing for citizens of this state that need public assistance. We don't want to waste tax dollars. And also, we want to give people an incentive to not use drugs."
Under the law, which takes effect on July 1, the Florida Department of Children and Family Services will be required to conduct the drug tests on adults applying to the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. The aid recipients would be responsible for the cost of the screening, which they would recoup in their assistance if they qualify. Those who fail the required drug testing may designate another individual to receive the benefits on behalf of their children.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/01/ ... =allsearch" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:39 am
by andy7171
I'm too lazy to click the link, what's it say?
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:39 am
by AshevilleApp
Asshole wants to take away my bath salts.
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:39 am
by grizzaholic
AshevilleApp wrote:Asshole wants to take away my bath salts.
Is it an article on how people are getting high on them?
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:41 am
by AshevilleApp
grizzaholic wrote:AshevilleApp wrote:******* wants to take away my bath salts.
Is it an article on how people are getting high on them?
Yup, and some other stuff as well.
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:45 am
by Grizalltheway
andy7171 wrote:I'm too lazy to click the link, what's it say?
I'm sure it took much less effort to type that out.
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:24 am
by Ivytalk
andy7171 wrote:I'm too lazy to click the link, what's it say?
With Snapper Sue in GATW's siggy, I never reach his links!
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:57 am
by HI54UNI
About time. You want welfare - pee in the cup.
I heard yesterday that some liberal groups are already claiming it is unconstitutional.
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:59 am
by ASUG8
I agree with this - there are likely some (not all) welfare recipients that are able to get themselves off the teat that choose to remain there and drug tests will help filter out some of those folks. The downside is that those who are denied benefits will likely turn to other methods of getting cash and goods which might get the police a little busier, but overall I don't see it as infringing on personal privacy.
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:13 am
by AshevilleApp
Ivytalk wrote:andy7171 wrote:I'm too lazy to click the link, what's it say?
With Snapper Sue in GATW's siggy, I never reach his links!
I call it the ChickenMan effect.
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:51 am
by andy7171
This sounds like something interesting, if only GATW has pasted a couple paragraphs above his link to let me decide on whether or not it is something I'd be interested in.
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:19 pm
by Grizalltheway
andy7171 wrote:This sounds like something interesting, if only GATW has pasted a couple paragraphs above his link to let me decide on whether or not it is something I'd be interested in.
Everything I post is 24k gold. If you don't realize that, there's not much I can do to help ya.
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:26 pm
by Skjellyfetti
Not something I care that much about. But, I do believe that it punishes children with unemployable parents with drug addictions.
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:38 pm
by HI54UNI
Skjellyfetti wrote:Not something I care that much about. But, I do believe that it punishes children with unemployable parents with drug addictions.
So take the kids away. The kids don't stand a chance with parents like that.
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:40 pm
by AshevilleApp
Skjellyfetti wrote:Not something I care that much about. But, I do believe that it punishes children with unemployable parents with drug addictions.
Didn't it say in the article that the benefits for the children could be designated to someone else if the parent tested positive? (It's been several hours since I read the article though, and you know about that short term memory thing.
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Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:41 pm
by Baldy
Skjellyfetti wrote:Not something I care that much about. But, I do believe that it punishes children with unemployable parents with drug addictions.
Meh...just take the kids to San Fran throw them in the bay and let the cops and firemen sort it out.
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:45 pm
by andy7171
Grizalltheway wrote:andy7171 wrote:This sounds like something interesting, if only GATW has pasted a couple paragraphs above his link to let me decide on whether or not it is something I'd be interested in.
Everything I post is 24k gold. If you don't realize that, there's not much I can do to help ya.
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Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:51 pm
by Grizalltheway
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:35 pm
by AZGrizFan
Grizalltheway wrote:Discuss.
Saying it is "unfair for Florida taxpayers to subsidize drug addiction," Gov. Rick Scott on Tuesday signed legislation requiring adults applying for welfare assistance to undergo drug screening.
"It's the right thing for taxpayers," Scott said after signing the measure. "It's the right thing for citizens of this state that need public assistance. We don't want to waste tax dollars. And also, we want to give people an incentive to not use drugs."
Under the law, which takes effect on July 1, the Florida Department of Children and Family Services will be required to conduct the drug tests on adults applying to the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. The aid recipients would be responsible for the cost of the screening, which they would recoup in their assistance if they qualify. Those who fail the required drug testing may designate another individual to receive the benefits on behalf of their children.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/01/ ... =allsearch" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So, let me get this straight:
You're FOR mandatory drug testing to get welfare assistance without probable cause, but you're AGAINST mandatory screening at a police checkpoint for DUI without probable cause.
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:39 pm
by Grizalltheway
How is it any different than mandatory drug tests for government jobs?
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:16 pm
by AZGrizFan
Grizalltheway wrote:How is it any different than mandatory drug tests for government jobs?
Don't get me wrong, I support BOTH....but it just seems rather peculiar that you'd support ONE invasion of privacy without probable cause while railing against the other.
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:43 pm
by Grizalltheway
AZGrizFan wrote:Grizalltheway wrote:How is it any different than mandatory drug tests for government jobs?
Don't get me wrong, I support BOTH....but it just seems rather peculiar that you'd support ONE invasion of privacy without probable cause while railing against the other.
I don't see them as the same situation at all.
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:45 pm
by AZGrizFan
Grizalltheway wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I support BOTH....but it just seems rather peculiar that you'd support ONE invasion of privacy without probable cause while railing against the other.
I don't see them as the same situation at all.
Seriously, how are the both NOT invasions of privacy?
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:51 pm
by Vidav
AZGrizFan wrote:Grizalltheway wrote:
I don't see them as the same situation at all.
Seriously, how are the both NOT invasions of privacy?
One is requesting aid from the government in the form of money. To qualify you must prove you are drug free. Doesn't seem like an invasion of privacy at all.
Re: This bleeding heart fully supports this
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:56 pm
by Grizalltheway
Vidav wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
Seriously, how are the both NOT invasions of privacy?
One is requesting aid from the government in the form of money. To qualify you must prove you are drug free. Doesn't seem like an invasion of privacy at all.
Nailed it. It's not like cops are setting up shop on a street corner and stopping everyone to see if their eyes are bloodshot.
