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Two pictures. When I think about the people who built the country, I think of images like this:



As I contemplate the current debate over restructuring Medicare and look at videos of disgusting people upset about possibiliy seeing some diminishment in an entitlement program, I think of this:



That, to me, is a metaphor for what a critical mass of the United States population has come to. Parasites.

I can't find who originally said this ...I always thought it was Ben Franklin but has been a fitting statement.

"When the populace realizes they can vote themselves money it will bode the end of the republic."

It's awful. Simply awful.

The problem with medicare is the price of medical care.

The problem with social security is...wait, isn't social security running a surplus and solvent without any adjustments for another 35 years?

We're all parasites to varying degrees Johnny, including you.

JohnStOnge wrote:Two pictures. When I think about the people who built the country, I think of images like this:

You think of an NDSU fan getting ready to tailgate?

kalm wrote:
The problem with social security is...wait, isn't social security running a surplus and solvent without any adjustments for another 35 years?

More like 25 years.....and the time frame keeps shrinking.

So do wait until it is insolvent before doing anything, or wait until insolvency is, say, 10 years away?

houndawg wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:Two pictures. When I think about the people who built the country, I think of images like this:

You think of an NDSU fan getting ready to tailgate?

I was thinking an NDSU fan getting ready to bury their embarassing son in a pile of dried turds.

bandl wrote:

houndawg wrote:
You think of an NDSU fan getting ready to tailgate?

I was thinking an NDSU fan getting ready to bury their embarassing son in a pile of dried turds.

Next spring they'll uncover him in time for football practice.

kalm wrote:The problem with medicare is the price of medical care.

So, where do we go with that one then? What's the solution to that? We want more and more medical advances, but we really don't want to pay for it. Sounds doable.

GannonFan wrote:

kalm wrote:The problem with medicare is the price of medical care.

So, where do we go with that one then? What's the solution to that? We want more and more medical advances, but we really don't want to pay for it. Sounds doable.

Get ready for a healthcare system where PA's have most of the contact with patients and doctors just kind of work behind the scenes doing paperwork. That'll cut costs for sure.

kalm wrote:The problem with medicare is the price of medical care.

And the majority of that problem is medicare.
Plus, Obama cutting $500 Billion from medicare to fund his boondoggle certainly didn't help.

The problem with social security is...wait, isn't social security running a surplus and solvent without any adjustments for another 35 years?

A storage unit full of IOU's in Parkersburg, West Virginia doesn't really qualify as a surplus.

We're all parasites to varying degrees Johnny, including you.

Unfortunately, you're correct. No matter how hard you try, there's no avoiding the nanny state.

Pwns wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
So, where do we go with that one then? What's the solution to that? We want more and more medical advances, but we really don't want to pay for it. Sounds doable.

Get ready for a healthcare system where PA's have most of the contact with patients and doctors just kind of work behind the scenes doing paperwork. That'll cut costs for sure.

Where the fuck have you been the last ten years, Harold?

I've not seen my doctor in 8 years, except at a fundraiser. I see her NP (Nurse Practitioner) who is fantastic. My doctor just checks blood tests and consults, if needed.

We're a very unhealthy nation (AZ, Tman, Hogan and other fat disgusting drunk fucks here ) with staggeringly high percentages of lifestyle diseases like obesity, cancer and diabetes. We get that shit under control and healthcare costs plummet.

But god forbid the First Lady tries to do something about it, or the government bans trans fat.....the fucking conks here go batshit and cry nanny state, blah blah blah...all so Tman can have his Little Debbies and AZ can dip his freedom fries in pork gravy at breakfast.

These are same assholes who would have slammed the government for regulating cigarettes and asbestos.

"They have a right to do business! , blah, blah, Ayn Ran, blah, blah, Ron Reagan......."

Baldy wrote:

kalm wrote:The problem with medicare is the price of medical care.

And the majority of that problem is medicare.
Plus, Obama cutting $500 Billion from medicare to fund his boondoggle certainly didn't help.

The problem with social security is...wait, isn't social security running a surplus and solvent without any adjustments for another 35 years?

A storage unit full of IOU's in Parkersburg, West Virginia doesn't really qualify as a surplus.

We're all parasites to varying degrees Johnny, including you.

Unfortunately, you're correct. No matter how hard you try, there's no avoiding the nanny state.

Medicare costs less than private insurance.

kalm wrote:

Baldy wrote: And the majority of that problem is medicare.
Plus, Obama cutting $500 Billion from medicare to fund his boondoggle certainly didn't help.


A storage unit full of IOU's in Parkersburg, West Virginia doesn't really qualify as a surplus.


Unfortunately, you're correct. No matter how hard you try, there's no avoiding the nanny state.

Medicare costs less than private insurance.

It certainly pays less then private insurance which is why more doctors are refusing to accept and are dropping it every day.
EDIT:
Besides, how do you know? Show me someone over 65 years old who is on private insurance instead of Medicare and then we will compare costs.

Baldy wrote:

kalm wrote:
Medicare costs less than private insurance.

It certainly pays less then private insurance which is why more doctors are refusing to accept and are dropping it every day.
EDIT:
Besides, how do you know? Show me someone over 65 years old who is on private insurance instead of Medicare and then we will compare costs.

Medicare operates on somewhere around a 5% overhead. The 36 countries ahead of us in outcomes have single payer non profit systems that provide healthcare for less than we do.

kalm wrote:

Baldy wrote: It certainly pays less then private insurance which is why more doctors are refusing to accept and are dropping it every day.
EDIT:
Besides, how do you know? Show me someone over 65 years old who is on private insurance instead of Medicare and then we will compare costs.

Medicare operates on somewhere around a 5% overhead. The 36 countries ahead of us in outcomes have single payer non profit systems that provide healthcare for less than we do.

On a per-person comparison, Medicare's administration costs are about 25% higher than private insurance.

D1B wrote:

Pwns wrote:
Get ready for a healthcare system where PA's have most of the contact with patients and doctors just kind of work behind the scenes doing paperwork. That'll cut costs for sure.

Where the fuck have you been the last ten years, Harold?

I've not seen my doctor in 8 years, except at a fundraiser. I see her NP (Nurse Practitioner) who is fantastic. My doctor just checks blood tests and consults, if needed.

We're a very unhealthy nation (AZ, Tman, Hogan and other fat disgusting drunk fucks here ) with staggeringly high percentages of lifestyle diseases like obesity, cancer and diabetes. We get that shit under control and healthcare costs plummet.

But god forbid the First Lady tries to do something about it, or the government bans trans fat.....the fucking conks here go batshit and cry nanny state, blah blah blah...all so Tman can have his Little Debbies and AZ can dip his freedom fries in pork gravy at breakfast. These are same assholes who would have slammed the government for regulating cigarettes and asbestos.

"They have a right to do business! , blah, blah, Ayn Ran, blah, blah, Ron Reagan......."

Says the fat, drunk libertard who (with his fat, drunk libertard brother) tip the scales at a half a ton combined.

Baldy wrote:

kalm wrote:
Medicare operates on somewhere around a 5% overhead. The 36 countries ahead of us in outcomes have single payer non profit systems that provide healthcare for less than we do.

On a per-person comparison, Medicare's administration costs are about 25% higher than private insurance.

According to whom?

Every RELIABLE account out there indicates that Medicare and the VA both operate at around 5% overhead - whereas private insurance is somewhere between 25% and 25%... more to the point - they, by definition, don't need to have a profit margin in there...

AZGrizFan wrote: Says the fat

Watch out, Z. People get really, really offended if you talk about weight around here. Seems like the one subject that's taboo.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote: Says the fat

Watch out, Z. People get really, really offended if you talk about weight around here. Seems like the one subject that's taboo.

the only people who get upset are those who lack the self discipline to stop steamshoveling copious amounts of krispy kremes down their disgusting throats. fat sacks of shit. they should all get a 'holiday in cambodia'.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote: Says the fat

Watch out, Z. People get really, really offended if you talk about weight around here. Seems like the one subject that's taboo.

Like I give a flying vertical FUCK if I offend Douche1Bag.

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:

Baldy wrote: On a per-person comparison, Medicare's administration costs are about 25% higher than private insurance.

According to whom?

Every RELIABLE account out there indicates that Medicare and the VA both operate at around 5% overhead - whereas private insurance is somewhere between 25% and 25%... more to the point - they, by definition, don't need to have a profit margin in there...

You don't need to have a 'reliable' source to tell you that 1+1=2. Add the numbers up yourself. If you want to compare apples to oranges, of course Medicare is more 'efficient' as a whole. It only has a fraction of the members private insurance companies have but pay astronomically higher in claims. In a apples to apples comparison, per member administration costs for private insurance is much more efficient than Medicare. And BTW, overhead for private insurance companies averages between 12% and 14%, not 25%.

More to the point, by definition, Medicare doesn't have to pay state and federal taxes like private insurance companies do. Also, 10%-20% of the overhead for private companies goes to preventing fraud and waste, something Medicare does not do.

Baldy wrote:

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
According to whom?

Every RELIABLE account out there indicates that Medicare and the VA both operate at around 5% overhead - whereas private insurance is somewhere between 25% and 25%... more to the point - they, by definition, don't need to have a profit margin in there...

You don't need to have a 'reliable' source to tell you that 1+1=2. Add the numbers up yourself. If you want to compare apples to oranges, of course Medicare is more 'efficient' as a whole. It only has a fraction of the members private insurance companies have but pay astronomically higher in claims. In a apples to apples comparison, per member administration costs for private insurance is much more efficient than Medicare. And BTW, overhead for private insurance companies averages between 12% and 14%, not 25%.

More to the point, by definition, Medicare doesn't have to pay state and federal taxes like private insurance companies do. Also, 10%-20% of the overhead for private companies goes to preventing fraud and waste, something Medicare does not do.

Instead Medicare just gives away 10-20% in fraud and waste.

single payer.


No need for my health to compete with corporate profits that way.

citdog wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:
Watch out, Z. People get really, really offended if you talk about weight around here. Seems like the one subject that's taboo.

the only people who get upset are those who lack the self discipline to stop steamshoveling copious amounts of krispy kremes down their disgusting throats. fat sacks of shit. they should all get a 'holiday in cambodia'.

Damn stupid krispy kremes.