Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 5:02 am
by clenz
You do realize just how many things are made from oil - outside of gasoline - don't you?
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 5:30 am
by 93henfan
Algae is neat, but producing it in sufficient volume to be worthwhile is the real challenge.
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 5:51 am
by grizzaholic
I like burning gas. Thanks though.
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 8:39 am
by TwinTownBisonFan
93henfan wrote:Algae is neat, but producing it in sufficient volume to be worthwhile is the real challenge.
THIS.
I've done some work with a guy who does algae diesel in the Twin Cities - it's a LONG way from providing even a percentage of our fuel... as a proof of concept, it's interesting... it's scaling that is the problem.
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 9:11 am
by grizzaholic
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
93henfan wrote:Algae is neat, but producing it in sufficient volume to be worthwhile is the real challenge.
THIS.
I've done some work with a guy who does algae diesel in the Twin Cities - it's a LONG way from providing even a percentage of our fuel... as a proof of concept, it's interesting... it's scaling that is the problem.
If they did it in IOWA, I bet it would work great.
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 12:07 pm
by Pwns
It's not even close to feasible, just like every other whacky biofuel idea.
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 2:07 pm
by 93henfan
Pwns wrote:It's not even close to feasible, just like every other whacky biofuel idea.
Drill baby, drill! Live today, fuck tomorrow!!
PAR-TAYYYY!!!
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 3:26 pm
by Grizalltheway
Pwns wrote:It's not even close to feasible, just like every other whacky biofuel idea.
Do you really believe private investors would throw billions of dollars at them if they knew they couldn't get some sort of return?
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 3:47 pm
by grizzaholic
Grizalltheway wrote:
Pwns wrote:It's not even close to feasible, just like every other whacky biofuel idea.
Do you really believe private investors would throw billions of dollars at them if they knew they couldn't get some sort of return?
Yes.
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 3:47 pm
by BlueHen86
Pwns wrote:It's not even close to feasible, just like every other whacky biofuel idea.
It wasn't that long ago the going to the moon was a wacky idea. Just because the technology for efficient biofuel doesn't exist now, doesn't make the idea wacky.
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 4:07 pm
by Grizalltheway
grizzaholic wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
Do you really believe private investors would throw billions of dollars at them if they knew they couldn't get some sort of return?
Yes.
I guess we should tell the pepes who just bought the old mill out in Frenchtown to fuck off?
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 4:08 pm
by grizzaholic
Grizalltheway wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:
Yes.
I guess we should tell the pepes who just bought the old mill out in Frenchtown to fuck off?
They should turn it back into a linerboard plant and quit fucking up the town. (if you ask me) Oh, and allow some more logging to go on.
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 5:07 pm
by Grizalltheway
grizzaholic wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
I guess we should tell the pepes who just bought the old mill out in Frenchtown to fuck off?
They should turn it back into a linerboard plant and quit fucking up the town. (if you ask me) Oh, and allow some more logging to go on.
Please educate me on exactly how they're fucking up the town?
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 5:14 pm
by grizzaholic
Grizalltheway wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:
They should turn it back into a linerboard plant and quit fucking up the town. (if you ask me) Oh, and allow some more logging to go on.
Please educate me on exactly how they're fucking up the town?
How many people did they put out of work? Then tell them that they would sell it and put a 10 year ban on competitive business on the site. What kind of BS is that? And not entertain offers from local investors that wanted to buy it.
I know you are a tree hugger and all but shit...
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 5:29 pm
by Grizalltheway
grizzaholic wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
Please educate me on exactly how they're fucking up the town?
How many people did they put out of work? Then tell them that they would sell it and put a 10 year ban on competitive business on the site. What kind of BS is that? And not entertain offers fromlocal investors that wanted to buy it.
I know you are a tree hugger and all but shit...
The previous company that was interested in it wanted to scrap it completely.
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 5:33 pm
by grizzaholic
Grizalltheway wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:
How many people did they put out of work? Then tell them that they would sell it and put a 10 year ban on competitive business on the site. What kind of BS is that? And not entertain offers fromlocal investors that wanted to buy it.
I know you are a tree hugger and all but shit...
The previous company that was interested in it wanted to scrap it completely.
And the place would be still be producing and employing if they had either sold it to the employees or the investors in town that wanted to keep it a linerboard plant. But no....they pretty much told everyone to FUCK OFF.
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 6:09 pm
by HI54UNI
grizzaholic wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
THIS.
I've done some work with a guy who does algae diesel in the Twin Cities - it's a LONG way from providing even a percentage of our fuel... as a proof of concept, it's interesting... it's scaling that is the problem.
If they did it in IOWA, I bet it would work great.
There are people in Iowa working on it but it won't go anywhere until we kill the ethanol lobby in the state.
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 6:15 pm
by grizzaholic
HI54UNI wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:
If they did it in IOWA, I bet it would work great.
There are people in Iowa working on it but it won't go anywhere until we kill the ethanol lobby in the state.
I hate ethanol. There are 2 places in Missoula where you can buy non-ethanol gas. It is either 91 or 93. It is where I fill up always...especially for lawn mowers/chainsaws/etc...
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 7:39 pm
by clenz
grizzaholic wrote:
HI54UNI wrote:
There are people in Iowa working on it but it won't go anywhere until we kill the ethanol lobby in the state.
I hate ethanol. There are 2 places in Missoula where you can buy non-ethanol gas. It is either 91 or 93. It is where I fill up always...especially for lawn mowers/chainsaws/etc...
The only non-ethanol around here is 87 octane. 89 and 92 are both 10% ethanol. The shitty part is the ethanol is cheaper in Iowa, the only state I've saw that.
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 6:44 am
by HI54UNI
grizzaholic wrote:
HI54UNI wrote:
There are people in Iowa working on it but it won't go anywhere until we kill the ethanol lobby in the state.
I hate ethanol. There are 2 places in Missoula where you can buy non-ethanol gas. It is either 91 or 93. It is where I fill up always...especially for lawn mowers/chainsaws/etc...
I hate ethanol too. More subsidies for the farmers. Plus it uses way too much water to make it.
Our state senator (farmer) is a big ethanol backer. He's tried for several years (with no success fortunately) to get a requirement that all gas sold in the state have ethanol in it. I asked him what I was supposed to do about my lawnmower and boat and he had no answer for me.
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 6:49 am
by grizzaholic
HI54UNI wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:
I hate ethanol. There are 2 places in Missoula where you can buy non-ethanol gas. It is either 91 or 93. It is where I fill up always...especially for lawn mowers/chainsaws/etc...
I hate ethanol too. More subsidies for the farmers. Plus it uses way too much water to make it.
Our state senator (farmer) is a big ethanol backer. He's tried for several years (with no success fortunately) to get a requirement that all gas sold in the state have ethanol in it. I asked him what I was supposed to do about my lawnmower and boat and he had not answer for me.
No kidding.
Re: Algae cheaper than gas- could power all our fuel needs
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 7:55 am
by YoUDeeMan
HI54UNI wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:
I hate ethanol. There are 2 places in Missoula where you can buy non-ethanol gas. It is either 91 or 93. It is where I fill up always...especially for lawn mowers/chainsaws/etc...
I hate ethanol too. More subsidies for the farmers. Plus it uses way too much water to make it.
Our state senator (farmer) is a big ethanol backer. He's tried for several years (with no success fortunately) to get a requirement that all gas sold in the state have ethanol in it. I asked him what I was supposed to do about my lawnmower and boat and he had not answer for me.
