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CitadelGrad wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery ... 02&index=0

CitadelGrad wrote:Two of the three dead guys had no entry wounds on the front of their heads or torsos. The blood pools are under their heads. They weren't KIA'd. They were executed.

AZGrizFan wrote:

CitadelGrad wrote:Two of the three dead guys had no entry wounds on the front of their heads or torsos. The blood pools are under their heads. They weren't KIA'd. They were executed.

If you're laying on your back won't the blood pool ALWAYS be under your head/body?

CitadelGrad wrote:Two of the three dead guys had no entry wounds on the front of their heads or torsos.

Wedgebuster wrote:

travelinman67 wrote:

CitadelGrad wrote:Two of the three dead guys had no entry wounds on the front of their heads or torsos.

Eh...

From what the pics show, #1 was a headshot to the side/top (eardrum ruptured) but no sign of entry/exit on the face; # 2 was a classic chest shot (lung punctured, bleedout through the chest/nose); #3 is trickier...no sign of chest penetration, yet bleedout through the mouth, and signs of minor bleedout dripping "upward" across his face/head, as if his head was lying in a downward position (fell backward off a bed?). Damage to the lower jaw doesn't appear to be shot wound, but would need to clean it up to tell. Could have been either a headshot that entered the right side of the head (left ear is clean) and in the process opened up exit in the mouth/throat or a right side penetration above the C5 vertebrae.

Lotsa possibilities. Unless you're there and can deconstruct the scene, it's almost impossible to come to an accurate conclusion. Suggesting execution plays into the whacko's theories.

One thing fo' sho'...our boys are damn fine shooters!

Baldy wrote:I thought it was a Comanche at first myself. but I don't think that is the type of bird that crashed.
I think it's some type of new stealth Blackhawk type of helicopter.

I'm sure some of the military guys on here might be able to fill in the blanks.

CitadelGrad wrote:

travelinman67 wrote:
Eh...

From what the pics show, #1 was a headshot to the side/top (eardrum ruptured) but no sign of entry/exit on the face; # 2 was a classic chest shot (lung punctured, bleedout through the chest/nose); #3 is trickier...no sign of chest penetration, yet bleedout through the mouth, and signs of minor bleedout dripping "upward" across his face/head, as if his head was lying in a downward position (fell backward off a bed?). Damage to the lower jaw doesn't appear to be shot wound, but would need to clean it up to tell. Could have been either a headshot that entered the right side of the head (left ear is clean) and in the process opened up exit in the mouth/throat or a right side penetration above the C5 vertebrae.

Lotsa possibilities. Unless you're there and can deconstruct the scene, it's almost impossible to come to an accurate conclusion. Suggesting execution plays into the whacko's theories.

One thing fo' sho'...our boys are damn fine shooters!

Except for #2, they appear to have been killed with single shots. I would have expected the SEALS to have gone in set on full auto. It's hard to believe they'd go in looking for one shot/one kill while clearing a house.

CID1990 wrote:There is no way to tell about how those guys were shot by looking at those pictures. Two of them are likely head shots, but it is impossible to know where the bullet wounds are. The entry wounds could even be visible and just not apparent in the pics. (I have examined a number of 9mm entry wounds that you literally had to spread the flesh apart to see the hole).

Baldy wrote: I thought it was a Comanche at first myself. but I don't think that is the type of bird that crashed.
I think it's some type of new stealth Blackhawk type of helicopter.

I'm sure some of the military guys on here might be able to fill in the blanks.

Before an elite team of U.S. Navy SEALs executed a daring raid that took down Osama bin Laden, the commandos were able to silently sneak up on their elusive target thanks to what aviation analysts said were top secret, never-before-seen stealth-modified helicopters.

In the course of the operation that cost the al Qaeda leader his life, one of the two Blackhawk helicopters that carried the SEALs into bin Laden's Pakistani compound grazed one of the compound's wall and was forced to make a hard landing. With the chopper inoperable, at the end of the mission the SEALs destroyed it with explosives.

But photos of what survived the explosion -- the tail section of the craft with curious modifications -- has sent military analysts buzzing about a stealth helicopter program that was only rumored to exist. From a modified tail boom to a noise reducing covering on the rear rotors and a special high-tech material similar to that used in stealth fighters, former Department of Defense official and vice president of the Lexington Institute Dan Goure said the bird is like nothing he's ever seen before.


"This is a first," he said. "You wouldn't know that it was coming right at you. And that's what's important, because these are coming in fast and low, and if they aren't sounding like they're coming right at you, you might not even react until it's too late... That was clearly part of the success."

In addition to the noise-reducing modifications, a former special operations aviator told The Army Times the general shape of what was left of the craft -- the harsh angles and flat surfaces more common to stealth jets -- was further evidence it was a modified variant of the Blackhawk.

A senior Pentagon official told ABC News the Defense Department would "absolutely not" comment on anything relating to the destroyed bird.

Neighbors of bin Laden in Abbottabad, Pakistan, told ABC News they didn't hear the helicopters the night of the Sunday raid until they were directly overhead. The rotor covering, along with a special rotor design, suppressed the choppers noise while inbound, Bill Sweetman, editor and chief of Defense Technology International, said.

"Helicopters make a very distinctive percussive rotor sound which is caused by their rotor blades and if you can blend that down, of course that makes a noise that is much less likely to be heard and much more likely to blend into any background noise that there is," Sweetman said.

The U.S. has attempted to use stealth helicopters before. In the mid-90s, the Army developed several prototypes of the Comanche helicopter, a reconnaissance helicopter that was at the time a revolutionary step in stealth technology. But in 2004 the Department of Defense scrapped the program and promised to used technology developed for the Comanche on other crafts.

Since, the government has been working to silence the Army's Blackhawk helicopters but an official program for the stealth choppers was never publicized. The wreckage, Sweetman said, is the first the public has ever seen of an operational stealth-modified helicopter.

Goure said he believes the stealthy Blackhawks have been in use for years without the public's knowledge.

"We probably have been running hundreds of missions with these helicopters over the last half dozen years, and the fact is, they've all been successful -- or at least the helicopters have all come back," he said.

But now that one went down and photographs emerged of large sections being taken from the crash site under a tarp, former White House counterterrorism advisor and ABC News consultant Richard Clarke said U.S. officials may have reason to worry about where those parts end up.

"There are probably people in the Pentagon tonight who are very concerned that pieces of the helicopter may be, even now, on their way to China, because we know that China is trying to make stealth aircraft," he said. The Chinese military is known to have a close relationship with the Pakistani military.

FEARLESS four-legged recruit joined US Special Forces as they stormed Osama Bin Laden’s secret lair. The explosive-sniffing dog was strapped to an assault team member as they took on one of their greatest challenges to date.

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Heavily armoured hounds — equipped with infrared night-sight cameras — have been used in the past by the top-secret unit. The war dogs wear ballistic body armour that is said to withstand damage from single and double-edged knives, as well as protective gear which shields them from shrapnel and gunfire.

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Wearing oxygen masks, the pooches have been trained to jump from aircraft at 25,000ft, before seeking out insurgents in hostile environments. The animals will attack anyone carrying a weapon and have become a pivotal part of special operations as they crawl unnoticed into tunnels or rooms to hunt for enemy combatants. The cameras on their heads beam live TV pictures back to the troops, providing them with critical information and warning of ambushes.

expandspanos wrote:This isn't proof of anything.

I'm sure the seals or military could provide us with plenty of images of dead middle eastern people at this point WHERE'S OSAMA!!!!!!!?? - all this is the gore that people want because they're left wanting from no Bin Laden pics or videos.

Show us the guy we've been after for 10 years already NOW!

CID1990 wrote:There is no way to tell about how those guys were shot by looking at those pictures. Two of them are likely head shots, but it is impossible to know where the bullet wounds are. The entry wounds could even be visible and just not apparent in the pics. (I have examined a number of 9mm entry wounds that you literally had to spread the flesh apart to see the hole).

clenz wrote:

expandspanos wrote:This isn't proof of anything.

I'm sure the seals or military could provide us with plenty of images of dead middle eastern people at this point WHERE'S OSAMA!!!!!!!?? - all this is the gore that people want because they're left wanting from no Bin Laden pics or videos.

Show us the guy we've been after for 10 years already NOW!

You're stupid....Osama has been dead for 20 years already.

Vidav wrote:

clenz wrote: You're stupid....Osama has been dead for 20 years already.

You are both dumb. Osama never existed. He was a life sized puppet controlled by the US Government!!!!