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you really are an ignorant fool. your lack of understanding of anything including the six inches in front of your own stupid face is astounding.Skjellyfetti wrote:ISI is on Bin Laden's side.
citdog wrote:
you really are an ignorant fool. your lack of understanding of anything including the six inches in front of your own stupid face is astounding.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13191241" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;US authorities described Pakistan's ISI intelligence agency as a "terrorist" organisation, according to a leaked US document.
The document was published in some US and European newspapers as part of a series of leaked documents distributed by the website, Wikileaks.
It said the US saw the ISI as a threat on par with al-Qaeda and the Taliban.
Last week, the US military's top officer, Adm Mike Mullen, accused the ISI of having links with the Taliban.
He said the ISI had a "long-standing relationship" with a militant group run by Afghan insurgent Jalaluddin Haqqani, which targets US troops in Afghanistan.
Pakistan rejected the accusation with Pakistan's army chief, Gen Ashfaq Kayani, saying it was "negative propaganda" by the US.
The latest leak comes as US-Pakistan ties have been under severe strain.
There has been growing anger in Pakistan about US drone strikes in the north-west of the country.
And controversy over a CIA contractor who shot dead two Pakistani nationals earlier this year also soured ties between Washington and its ally Islamabad.
The reference to Pakistan's intelligence agency, ISI, comes in a briefing document designed to guide people who are involved in interrogating and classifying detainees in Guantanamo Bay.
It sets out a range of criteria for assessing how much of a threat someone poses and also how likely they are to have valuable intelligence.
At the end, it lists almost 70 organisations which are, it says, "terrorist and terrorist support entities identified as associate forces".
The list includes the Taliban, the al-Qaeda network and Pakistan's ISI.
It is unclear when the document dates from. Some analysts say its classification code suggests it was produced in 2007.
ISI like EVERY intelligence agency has its hands in and on a great many pies. countries don't have friends...only INTERESTS. the admiral if you asked him would not say what you did above in public. we have to work with these people and exactly what you did above is the problem with wikileaks.Skjellyfetti wrote:citdog wrote:
you really are an ignorant fool. your lack of understanding of anything including the six inches in front of your own stupid face is astounding.
Be sure to let Mike Mullen know he's also wrong, dumbass.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13191241" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;US authorities described Pakistan's ISI intelligence agency as a "terrorist" organisation, according to a leaked US document.
The document was published in some US and European newspapers as part of a series of leaked documents distributed by the website, Wikileaks.
It said the US saw the ISI as a threat on par with al-Qaeda and the Taliban.
Last week, the US military's top officer, Adm Mike Mullen, accused the ISI of having links with the Taliban.
He said the ISI had a "long-standing relationship" with a militant group run by Afghan insurgent Jalaluddin Haqqani, which targets US troops in Afghanistan.
Pakistan rejected the accusation with Pakistan's army chief, Gen Ashfaq Kayani, saying it was "negative propaganda" by the US.
The latest leak comes as US-Pakistan ties have been under severe strain.
There has been growing anger in Pakistan about US drone strikes in the north-west of the country.
And controversy over a CIA contractor who shot dead two Pakistani nationals earlier this year also soured ties between Washington and its ally Islamabad.
The reference to Pakistan's intelligence agency, ISI, comes in a briefing document designed to guide people who are involved in interrogating and classifying detainees in Guantanamo Bay.
It sets out a range of criteria for assessing how much of a threat someone poses and also how likely they are to have valuable intelligence.
At the end, it lists almost 70 organisations which are, it says, "terrorist and terrorist support entities identified as associate forces".
The list includes the Taliban, the al-Qaeda network and Pakistan's ISI.
It is unclear when the document dates from. Some analysts say its classification code suggests it was produced in 2007.
Mike Mullen said IN PUBLIC last week that ISI is tied to the Taliban last week. Not much different at all from what I said.citdog wrote: ISI like EVERY intelligence agency has its hands in and on a great many pies. countries don't have friends...only INTERESTS. the admiral if you asked him would not say what you did above in public. we have to work with these people and exactly what you did above is the problem with wikileaks.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13153538" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"It's fairly well known that the ISI has a long-standing relationship with the Haqqani network," Adm Mullen told Pakistan's Dawn newspaper.
"Haqqani is supporting, funding, training fighters that are killing Americans and killing coalition partners. And I have a sacred obligation to do all I can to make sure that doesn't happen."
He said the spy agency's support of the network remained at the "core ... and the most difficult part of the relationship" and that he would take it up with Pakistan's army chief Gen Ashfaq Kayani.
so does the CIA, British Intelligence, Mossad, and EVERY other intelligence agencySkjellyfetti wrote:Mike Mullen said IN PUBLIC last week that ISI is tied to the Taliban. Not much different at all from what I said.citdog wrote: ISI like EVERY intelligence agency has its hands in and on a great many pies. countries don't have friends...only INTERESTS. the admiral if you asked him would not say what you did above in public. we have to work with these people and exactly what you did above is the problem with wikileaks.
Is the CIA, British Intelligence, Mossad, etc. supporting, training, funding fighters that are killing Americans and coalition partners?citdog wrote:so does the CIA, British Intelligence, Mossad, and EVERY other intelligence agencySkjellyfetti wrote:
Mike Mullen said IN PUBLIC last week that ISI is tied to the Taliban. Not much different at all from what I said.
Or that we should add the CIA to the list. do you really want an answer to that question?Skjellyfetti wrote:Is the CIA, British Intelligence, Mossad, etc. supporting, training, funding fighters that are killing Americans and coalition partners?citdog wrote:
so does the CIA, British Intelligence, Mossad, and EVERY other intelligence agency
If the answer is yes... link?citdog wrote:
do you really want an answer to that question?
does the us taxpayer support hamas?Skjellyfetti wrote:If the answer is yes... link?citdog wrote:
do you really want an answer to that question?
Should we remove ISI from terrorist organizations or should we add the CIA?
No.citdog wrote:
does the us taxpayer support hamas?
You should write an urgent message to Mike Mullen and the US officials cited in the documents and let them know that ISI's ties to the Taliban are exaggerated and that they don't pose as significant a threat to us as Al Qaeda. Clearly they lack your knowledge and expertise.citdog wrote:it's all about PERSPECTIVE analjelly. ISI is FOR Pakistan's INTERESTS if SOME of those interests happen to be shared by others so be it. you sound a great deal like the man you profess to LOATHE so much. "If you're not for us you're against us"...........WHO said that again????? I have forgotten.
i don't recall Pakastani Intelligence flying hijacked airliners into buildings in new york city. the point of this little exercise is that things are not as crystal clear in the real world as they are for you sitting behind your computer in your mother's basement. ISI is acting EXACTLY as they are being directed by their government to act. They know that we are not always going to be there, especially when your president insists on telling them exactly when we plan to leave, and that they will be.Skjellyfetti wrote:You should write an urgent message to Mike Mullen and the US officials cited in the documents and let them know that ISI's ties to the Taliban are exaggerated and that they don't pose as significant a threat to us as Al Qaeda. Clearly they lack your knowledge and expertise.citdog wrote:it's all about PERSPECTIVE analjelly. ISI is FOR Pakistan's INTERESTS if SOME of those interests happen to be shared by others so be it. you sound a great deal like the man you profess to LOATHE so much. "If you're not for us you're against us"...........WHO said that again????? I have forgotten.
Appreciate it Pwns!!!!Pwns wrote:Since expandspanos isn't here, I thought I'd throw this out there.
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OK. I wanna know who's alter ego you are. There's no fucking way on this planet that you're a real person....expandspanos wrote:Appreciate it Pwns!!!!Pwns wrote:Since expandspanos isn't here, I thought I'd throw this out there.
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Uhhh...the CIA did support the Afghans that are killing our troops. Heck, we just sold guns to Mexicans who killed at least one of our people. In fact, we've done things like that throughout our history. Today's allies are tomorrow's enemy. And you can bet that Mossad and the others have looked the other way and allowed some of our people to be killed...heck, we have too, right or wrong, in order not to compromise a "bigger" prize.Skjellyfetti wrote:Is the CIA, British Intelligence, Mossad, etc. supporting, training, funding fighters that are killing Americans and coalition partners?citdog wrote:
so does the CIA, British Intelligence, Mossad, and EVERY other intelligence agency
Cluck U wrote:Uhhh...the CIA did support the Afghans that are killing our troops. Heck, we just sold guns to Mexicans who killed at least one of our people. In fact, we've done things like that throughout our history. Today's allies are tomorrow's enemy. And you can bet that Mossad and the others have looked the other way and allowed some of our people to be killed...heck, we have too, right or wrong, in order not to compromise a "bigger" prize.Skjellyfetti wrote:
Is the CIA, British Intelligence, Mossad, etc. supporting, training, funding fighters that are killing Americans and coalition partners?
But citdog, you have got to be out of your mind if you don't want people talking about the ISI and their relationships with bad guys. It is a joke watching the administration's PR people try to sugar coat the subject.