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What started as an ATF leaked CBS story about a Fed investigation into arms smuggling into Mexico, dubbed "Project Gunrunner", has now blown up in AG Holder, Big Sis Napolitano and POTUS Obama's faces. The operation involved ATF covertly tracking illegal assault/tactical weapons sales (coordinated by the ATF) for the purpose of smuggling the arms into Mexico for criminal use. At least two of those weapons are now connected to the murder of a U.S. Border Patrol Agent. Holder, Napolitano and Obama are now denying knowledge of the operation's existence (now renamed, "Fast and Furious").
As with many of Obama's scandals, as you read through this, ask yourself, "If this had happened during Bush or Reagan's presidencies, how much attention would the media and congress have directed towards the Executive Branch's involvement in this debacle?

When Iran-Contra broke, Congress impaneled an Independent Counsel; created the Tower Commission to investigate; tried and convicted several participants; and dogged Reagan into the afterlife.

Yet, Obama and Holder set up an arms smuggling operation to "track" the flow of weapons into Mexico...

...without Mexican President Calderon's knowledge...

...for the specific reason to generate support for gun control initiatives...

...allowing sniper and assault weapons to be purchased by "known" arms smugglers...

...who then sell the weapons to be used against Mexican and American law enforcement...

...ultimately resulting in a confirmed murder of a U.S. federal agent!!!!!!

Where in the fuck is Congress?

Why hasn't a Special Counsel been created to investigate their knowledge of this catastrophe?

Only one Congressman, Chuck Grassley, has written a letter requesting an investigation.

Donk or Conk...

...this is bullshit!

(...brace for Jellyklownjeffbfdawg cockmouthedcoverup crap...)

This is old news, but still outrageous. An investigation needs to be held, and those that approved it held responsible.

I smell a good movie

dbackjon wrote:This is old news, but still outrageous. An investigation needs to be held, and those that approved it held responsible.

CBS is the only major news service to investigate...not even Fox. And other than bloggers/independent web news groups, the topic has vanished from exposure since the Japanese earthquake...

"Look, Eric. Don't sweat it. She's only a pawnbroker...er, I mean, it's only Mexico."

Now Obamas willingness to let Border Patrol agents get shot while unarmed makes perfect sense...........before this it just seemed weird.

Regardless of where you stand politically, it is pretty hard to find a valid rationale for this one. I know the big O is extremely intelligent, but this is just plain wrong headed. Hard to believe it is due to his clueless naivety this time.

travelinman67 wrote:http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-d ... to-mexico/

What started as an ATF leaked CBS story about a Fed investigation into arms smuggling into Mexico, dubbed "Project Gunrunner", has now blown up in AG Holder, Big Sis Napolitano and POTUS Obama's faces. The operation involved ATF covertly tracking illegal assault/tactical weapons sales (coordinated by the ATF) for the purpose of smuggling the arms into Mexico for criminal use. At least two of those weapons are now connected to the murder of a U.S. Border Patrol Agent. Holder, Napolitano and Obama are now denying knowledge of the operation's existence (now renamed, "Fast and Furious").
As with many of Obama's scandals, as you read through this, ask yourself, "If this had happened during Bush or Reagan's presidencies, how much attention would the media and congress have directed towards the Executive Branch's involvement in this debacle?

When Iran-Contra broke, Congress impaneled an Independent Counsel; created the Tower Commission to investigate; tried and convicted several participants; and dogged Reagan into the afterlife.

Yet, Obama and Holder set up an arms smuggling operation to "track" the flow of weapons into Mexico...

...without Mexican President Calderon's knowledge...

...for the specific reason to generate support for gun control initiatives...

...allowing sniper and assault weapons to be purchased by "known" arms smugglers...

...who then sell the weapons to be used against Mexican and American law enforcement...

...ultimately resulting in a confirmed murder of a U.S. federal agent!!!!!!

Where in the **** is Congress?

Why hasn't a Special Counsel been created to investigate their knowledge of this catastrophe?

Only one Congressman, Chuck Grassley, has written a letter requesting an investigation.

Donk or Conk...

...this is bullshit!

(...brace for Jellyklownjeffbfdawg cockmouthedcoverup crap...)

Guns don't kill people T'man........

houndawg wrote:
Guns don't kill people T'man........

Skjellyfetti wrote:

houndawg wrote:
Guns don't kill people T'man........

It's laughable, isn't it?

Skjellyfetti wrote:

houndawg wrote:
Guns don't kill people T'man........

That's why legal gun shops have to clear who they sell guns to through the ATF, so they aren't going into the hands of those likely to kill people. The ATF is there to help us avoid problems, not for political posturing by knowingly arming those likely to kill people.

AZGrizFan wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:

It's laughable, isn't it?

You're such a wet blanket....

hell, Z, you've got cops shooting themselves down there.......... how is deputy Purol doing these days anyway, still chasing AK-armed smugglers with his Glock?

AZGrizFan wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:

It's laughable, isn't it?

What do you think of all the assault rifles legally purchased by people with links to Mexican cartels? These guys just busted in Fort Worth purchased over $100,000 in assault rifles around Dallas in last six months.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/118686294.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But, our gun laws are fine. ASSAULT RIFLES DON'T KILL PEOPLE.

LeadBolt wrote:
That's why legal gun shops have to clear who they sell guns to through the ATF, so they aren't going into the hands of those likely to kill people. The ATF is there to help us avoid problems, not for political posturing by knowingly arming those likely to kill people.

Guns legally purchased in the US, especially in Texas, ARE going straight to cartels in very high numbers.

"they aren't going into the hands of those likely to kill people."

Skjellyfetti wrote:

LeadBolt wrote:
That's why legal gun shops have to clear who they sell guns to through the ATF, so they aren't going into the hands of those likely to kill people. The ATF is there to help us avoid problems, not for political posturing by knowingly arming those likely to kill people.

Guns legally purchased in the US, especially in Texas, ARE going straight to cartels in very high numbers.

"they aren't going into the hands of those likely to kill people."

Nice partial quote out of context

It is the ATF's responsibility to say no when the background check is done. I am not so bigoted to think every gun purchaser in Texas is a criminal as you are. Stop your bigotry now, hater!

Skjellyfetti wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
It's laughable, isn't it?

What do you think of all the assault rifles legally purchased by people with links to Mexican cartels? These guys just busted in Fort Worth purchased over $100,000 in assault rifles around Dallas in last six months.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/118686294.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But, our gun laws are fine. ASSAULT RIFLES DON'T KILL PEOPLE.

Pick a side mutherfu*ker!!

You can keep letting illegals in to smuggle guns back to Mexico. Our gun laws work just fine if your a legal citizen who rarely breaks the law.

You cant have it both ways.

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: You can keep letting illegals in to smuggle guns back to Mexico. Our gun laws work just fine if your a legal citizen who rarely breaks the law.

These guys are legally purchasing guns at gun shows, gun stores, etc. The guys that are succesfully buying them are legal citizens without felonies. Either that or the gun shops aren't doing their background checks.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: You can keep letting illegals in to smuggle guns back to Mexico. Our gun laws work just fine if your a legal citizen who rarely breaks the law.

These guys are legally purchasing guns at gun shows, gun stores, etc. The guys that are succesfully buying them are legal citizens without felonies. Either that or the gun shops aren't doing their background checks.

Not if the article is true.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: You can keep letting illegals in to smuggle guns back to Mexico. Our gun laws work just fine if your a legal citizen who rarely breaks the law.

These guys are legally purchasing guns at gun shows, gun stores, etc. The guys that are succesfully buying them are legal citizens without felonies. Either that or the gun shops aren't doing their background checks.

Yes they are, but the legally purchased guns are going back to Mexico by ILLEGALS.

If a legal citizen wants to purchase guns at gun shows thats fine, when THEY try to cross the border with them to sell to cartels then execute them or throw them in prison for life.

But we both know thats not whats happening, the illegals are taking them back across the border we still for some reason have not sealed the fu*k off.

LeadBolt wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:
These guys are legally purchasing guns at gun shows, gun stores, etc. The guys that are succesfully buying them are legal citizens without felonies. Either that or the gun shops aren't doing their background checks.

Not if the article is true.

Many things are going on at gun shows, while in Boise a few weeks ago my friend and I were approached and asked if we would be interested in purchasing some guns for some "buyers". My friend works in law enforcement and knew exactly what they were trying to do. We said no thank you.

The illegals are going to get them one way or another so our gun laws have nothing to do with any of this, but that wont stop the idiot left from trying to penalize legal citizens from buying guns under the false pretense to further their anti-gun agenda.

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:But we both know thats not whats happening, the illegals are taking them back across the border we still for some reason have not sealed the fu*k off.

Not happy when they head back to Mexico, not happy when they head here from Mexico. Make up your fvcking mind already.

SDHornet wrote:

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:But we both know thats not whats happening, the illegals are taking them back across the border we still for some reason have not sealed the fu*k off.

Not happy when they head back to Mexico, not happy when they head here from Mexico. Make up your fvcking mind already.

My mind is made up, SEAL THE FUCKING BORDER and shoot anyone on sight trying to get into our country without legal paperwork. The problem would stop in less than a month.

ALL of Mexico is welcome to come here but they got to do it through legal channels. I cant let your sides willingness to overlook criminal behavior weigh on me and the rest of the law abiding citizens of the USA>

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:

SDHornet wrote: Not happy when they head back to Mexico, not happy when they head here from Mexico. Make up your fvcking mind already.

My mind is made up, SEAL THE FUCKING BORDER and shoot anyone on sight trying to get into our country without legal paperwork. The problem would stop in less than a month.

ALL of Mexico is welcome to come here but they got to do it through legal channels. I cant let your sides willingness to overlook criminal behavior weigh on me and the rest of the law abiding citizens of the USA>

As I said in the other immigration thread, there is just too much money at stake to seal the border; otherwise it would have been done a long time ago. I guess the border can be sealed so long as there are exemptions, just ask the tea partiers?

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:
What do you think of all the assault rifles legally purchased by people with links to Mexican cartels? These guys just busted in Fort Worth purchased over $100,000 in assault rifles around Dallas in last six months.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/118686294.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But, our gun laws are fine. ASSAULT RIFLES DON'T KILL PEOPLE.

Pick a side mutherfu*ker!!

You can keep letting illegals in to smuggle guns back to Mexico. Our gun laws work just fine if your a legal citizen who rarely breaks the law.

You cant have it both ways.

It's legal citizens that that just got busted running guns from NM to Mexico.

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:

SDHornet wrote: Not happy when they head back to Mexico, not happy when they head here from Mexico. Make up your fvcking mind already.

My mind is made up, SEAL THE **** BORDER and shoot anyone on sight trying to get into our country without legal paperwork. The problem would stop in less than a month.

ALL of Mexico is welcome to come here but they got to do it through legal channels. I cant let your sides willingness to overlook criminal behavior weigh on me and the rest of the law abiding citizens of the USA>

Can't do it Alice, judges would be forced to pay a decent wage to their household help.

houndawg wrote:

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:

Pick a side mutherfu*ker!!

You can keep letting illegals in to smuggle guns back to Mexico. Our gun laws work just fine if your a legal citizen who rarely breaks the law.

You cant have it both ways.

It's legal citizens that that just got busted running guns from NM to Mexico.

I was going to add a disclaimer that 98% of it was illegals crossing the border because they will be very isolated incidents of legals doing this too.


Funny how the only time your side wants to get uptight about criminal activity is when legal Americans are targeted.

Very telling.