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Cindy McCain is advocating the repeal of the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy – putting her at very public odds with her husband on the controversial issue.

She’s appearing in a new video geared toward eradicating the bullying of gay youth, produced by the California-based organization “NOH8.”

“Our political and religious leaders tell LGBT [lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender] youth that they have no future," McCain says in the ad. “They can't serve our country openly.”

As other celebrities in the video suggest that the policy emboldens bullies, McCain says “Our government treats the LGBT community like second-class citizens - why shouldn't they?”
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Good for her.

McCain is wrong on this issue.

AZGrizFan wrote:Good for her.

McCain is wrong on this issue.

Time for John to retire and have Cindy take his seat

AZGrizFan wrote:Good for her.

McCain is wrong on this issue.

I agree. Let the gay troops serve openly, and send them after Bin Laden. The war will be over next week!

Ivytalk wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:Good for her.

McCain is wrong on this issue.

I agree. Let the gay troops serve openly, and send them after Bin Laden. The war will be over next week!

And he will look fabulous at his beheading!

dbackjon wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:Good for her.

McCain is wrong on this issue.

Time for John to retire and have Cindy take his seat

Please God, no.

AZGrizFan wrote:Good for her.

McCain is wrong on this issue.

Rare peek of sunshine in otherwise cloudy Z existence.

Cap'n Cat wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:Good for her.

McCain is wrong on this issue.

Rare peek of sunshine in otherwise cloudy Z existence.

Oh, BS. I've disagreed with McCain on many issues.

I just usually disagree with his opponent on EVERY issue.

AZGrizFan wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:


Rare peek of sunshine in otherwise cloudy Z existence.

Oh, BS. I've disagreed with McCain on many issues.

I just usually disagree with his opponent on EVERY issue.

You will be a Donk in two years, Z.

Cap'n Cat wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Oh, BS. I've disagreed with McCain on many issues.

I just usually disagree with his opponent on EVERY issue.

You will be a Donk in two years, Z.

Not unless they agree to 20% budget cuts and line-item veto power.

AZGrizFan wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:


You will be a Donk in two years, Z.

Not unless they agree to 20% budget cuts and line-item veto power.

Including the military?

Cap'n Cat wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Not unless they agree to 20% budget cuts and line-item veto power.

Including the military?

i've made that exact statement at least 3 times on here in the past 10 days.

Why is this news? There are PLENTY of couples in this country who disagree over politics. Heck, there are a couple of pundits on opposite sides of the aisle who are married to each other.

Not news, IMO.

I think the repeal is coming, even though the court has ruled it can stay in place for now.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/11/12/scotus ... tml?hpt=T2

I think they will and should repeal it, they just need to come up with a game plan and policies for it and plan it out. It isn't as simple as ripping off a band-aid with the state of the world as it is. This is where leadership should come into play but really isn't.

What's really funny about the whole debate is that when Clinton got it enacted, the libs were all for it because it allowed gays to join, serve, and continue to serve so long as they were in the closet, but conservatives were all up in arms for the same reasons. Now the tables have turned, and it's the conservatives want to keep it and the libs want to dump it. Heck, under the old system, recruiters were flat out REQUIRED to ask if a prospective member was gay or had gay tendencies with a view to weed them out at the door. I have a hard time seeing how the old system would be better for gays.

SuperHornet wrote:Why is this news? There are PLENTY of couples in this country who disagree over politics. Heck, there are a couple of pundits on opposite sides of the aisle who are married to each other.

Not news, IMO.

Little different when it is the wife of the Senator leading the charge to keep DADT...

I think Gays in Military could come in handy.

SuperHornet wrote:What's really funny about the whole debate is that when Clinton got it enacted, the libs were all for it because it allowed gays to join, serve, and continue to serve so long as they were in the closet, but conservatives were all up in arms for the same reasons. Now the tables have turned, and it's the conservatives want to keep it and the libs want to dump it. Heck, under the old system, recruiters were flat out REQUIRED to ask if a prospective member was gay or had gay tendencies with a view to weed them out at the door. I have a hard time seeing how the old system would be better for gays.

No disrespect, Horny, kinda superficial. The original DADT was meant to be a stepping stone to eventual free and open service. These things take time to get past the granite brains of Conks and other haters.

Cap'n Cat wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:What's really funny about the whole debate is that when Clinton got it enacted, the libs were all for it because it allowed gays to join, serve, and continue to serve so long as they were in the closet, but conservatives were all up in arms for the same reasons. Now the tables have turned, and it's the conservatives want to keep it and the libs want to dump it. Heck, under the old system, recruiters were flat out REQUIRED to ask if a prospective member was gay or had gay tendencies with a view to weed them out at the door. I have a hard time seeing how the old system would be better for gays.

No disrespect, Horny, kinda superficial. The original DADT was meant to be a stepping stone to eventual free and open service. These things take time to get past the granite brains of Conks and other haters.

What other lib-haters are there? Libertarians?

dbackjon wrote:

Ivytalk wrote:
I agree. Let the gay troops serve openly, and send them after Bin Laden. The war will be over next week!

And he will look fabulous at his beheading!

(Gay colonel with megaphone at entrance to Bin Laden's mountain hideaway, somewhere in Berzerkistan): "Hey, Osama! We're here, we're queer, and we're going to flamethrow your scraggly ass into charcoal!!"

Not to discount the overall message of the video, but the claim that there are over 30,000 LGTB (teen?) suicides a year can't be right.

I've only got 2 questions:

1) Who the hell is Cindy McCain..?
2) and why would anybody give a rats ass what she thinks..?

JoltinJoe wrote:Not to discount the overall message of the video, but the claim that there are over 30,000 LGTB (teen?) suicides a year can't be right.

Maybe, maybe not, Joe. What's more to the point, though, is if all of said suicides are related to their orientation. There are many teen suicides over simple bullying and relationship issues (which may or may not be related to a significant other). Just quoting that figure leaves a lot out and implies much that can't be justified by the figure alone.

Chizzang wrote:I've only got 2 questions:

1) Who the hell is Cindy McCain..?
2) and why would anybody give a rats ass what she thinks..?

1. was made clear by the first sentence of the thread-opening post.

2. is something else entirely.

SuperHornet wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:Not to discount the overall message of the video, but the claim that there are over 30,000 LGTB (teen?) suicides a year can't be right.

Maybe, maybe not, Joe. What's more to the point, though, is if all of said suicides are related to their orientation. There are many teen suicides over simple bullying and relationship issues (which may or may not be related to a significant other). Just quoting that figure leaves a lot out and implies much that can't be justified by the figure alone.

I sincerely doubt that there over 30,000 teen suicides in the US per year -- no matter what the cause. If there are that many teens committing suicide, something has gone horrifically wrong in this country.