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Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:03 am
by Col Hogan
A new poll...pure, internal Democratic poll...no independents, no Tea Partiers, no Republicans, indicates President Obama is potentially facing a battle within his own party...
And this Associated Press-Knowledge Networks Poll isn't your typical contact them one and get an opinion poll...
The AP-KN poll has tracked a group of people and their views since the beginning of the 2008 presidential campaign. Among all 2008 voters, 51 percent say he deserves to be defeated in November 2012 while 47 percent support his re-election _ essentially a tie.
Among Democrats, 47 percent say Obama should be challenged for the 2012 nomination and 51 percent say he should not be opposed. Those favoring a contest include most who backed Hillary Rodham Clinton's unsuccessful faceoff against Obama for the 2008 nomination. The poll did not ask if Democrats would support particular challengers.
Political operatives and polling experts caution that Obama's poll standings say more about people's frustrations today with the economy and other conditions than they do about his re-election prospects. With the next presidential election two years away _ an eon in politics _ the public's view of Obama could easily improve if the economy revives or if he outmaneuvers Republicans on Capitol Hill or in the presidential campaign.
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A note: At this stage in the Presidential careers of Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, their approval ratings were lower and both won reelection...while at the same point in the careers of Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush, their approval ratings were higher and neither won reelection...
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:28 am
by kalm
Those numbers will change once the republicans gain control of congress, launch their investigations, and remind those in doubt how much worse the alternative is.
The latest theory I've heard is that Obama will switch biden and clinton to strengthen his 2012 chances and get Hilary a jump start for '16.
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:47 am
by native
kalm wrote:Those numbers will change once the republicans gain control of congress, launch their investigations, and remind those in doubt how much worse the alternative is.
The latest theory I've heard is that Obama will switch biden and clinton to strengthen his 2012 chances and get Hilary a jump start for '16.
If Obama were capable of morphing the substance of his policies as did Bill Clinton after these midterms, I might agree with you, k. Absent such a change, I am not so sure Hilary will be foolish enough to accept the invitation, and I do not see evidence that a far left Obama and his far left entourage can make the switch.
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:58 am
by native
Look at what the Clintons have tried to do in the Florida senate race. What makes anyone think that there are limits to the shamelessness of their quest for power? We admire their chutzpah when they win and castigate them for it when they lose. When the smoke clears they couldn't care less as long as they win. Why would Hilary wait for 2016 if her pollsters tell her that she has a chance in 2012?
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:04 am
by TheDancinMonarch
If they don't renominate Obama that will be a real hoot. They'll have to call themselves racists!
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:25 am
by native
Michael Barone thinks the 2010 midterms most likely will be replay of the
1966 (edit) midterms.
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Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:30 am
by kalm
native wrote:kalm wrote:Those numbers will change once the republicans gain control of congress, launch their investigations, and remind those in doubt how much worse the alternative is.
The latest theory I've heard is that Obama will switch biden and clinton to strengthen his 2012 chances and get Hilary a jump start for '16.
If Obama were capable of morphing the substance of his policies as did Bill Clinton after these midterms, I might agree with you, k. Absent such a change, I am not so sure Hilary will be foolish enough to accept the invitation, and I do not see evidence that a far left Obama and his far left entourage can make the switch.
True, especially with Alinksy, Ayers, Trotsky, Lenin, and Pot in his cabinet.
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:31 am
by kalm
native wrote:Look at what the Clintons have tried to do in the Florida senate race. What makes anyone think that there are limits to the shamelessness of their quest for power? We admire their chutzpah when they win and castigate them for it when they lose. When the smoke clears they couldn't care less as long as they win. Why would Hilary wait for 2016 if her pollsters tell her that she has a chance in 2012?
She could run, lose the nomination and still become VP. Plus, it would be better for the party and probably an easier path in 2016 if Obama is a two term.
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:33 am
by native
kalm wrote:native wrote:Look at what the Clintons have tried to do in the Florida senate race. What makes anyone think that there are limits to the shamelessness of their quest for power? We admire their chutzpah when they win and castigate them for it when they lose. When the smoke clears they couldn't care less as long as they win. Why would Hilary wait for 2016 if her pollsters tell her that she has a chance in 2012?
She could run, lose the nomination and still become VP. Plus, it would be better for the party and probably an easier path in 2016 if Obama is a two term.
Interesting scenario.
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:45 am
by travelinman67
So, y'all are saying the black dude's trying to hook up with the white beeotch so she can get sweet with the landlord and he can keep his digs?
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:10 pm
by UNHWildCats
native wrote:Look at what the Clintons have tried to do in the Florida senate race. What makes anyone think that there are limits to the shamelessness of their quest for power? We admire their chutzpah when they win and castigate them for it when they lose. When the smoke clears they couldn't care less as long as they win. Why would Hilary wait for 2016 if her pollsters tell her that she has a chance in 2012?
Bill Clinton hasnt done anything wrong in Florida. He talked to Meek, let him know he had no chance to win (which he doesnt) and that if he were to step aside and endorse Crist to prevent a far more conservative Rubio from winning he could ensure a future with Democratic voters... he gets whitewashed Tuesday and his political future is likely over.
Hillary had nothing to do with it so dont say Clintons...
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:12 pm
by UNHWildCats
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:45 pm
by mrklean
Whats sad , that the Repuks cant get a person to run against Obama.
Not One!!! Sarah Palin is the front runner. Dayum thats Sad!!!!
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:01 pm
by BlueHen86
mrklean wrote:Whats sad , that the Repuks
cant get a person to run against Obama.
Not One!!! Sarah Palin is the front runner. Dayum thats Sad!!!!
They may not need to if Obama doesn't get his own parties nomination.
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:09 pm
by Bronco
I don't think he will run.
Not as fun as he thought.
The trips are nice but he thought everyone would be saying thank you by now.
A man gets on his knees next to a car carrying U.S. President Barack Obama as he pulls away from Valois restaurant in Chicago, October 31, 2010.…
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:35 am
by CID1990
kalm wrote:Those numbers will change once the republicans gain control of congress, launch their investigations,
and remind those in doubt how much worse the alternative is.
The latest theory I've heard is that Obama will switch biden and clinton to strengthen his 2012 chances and get Hilary a jump start for '16.
I lol'ed at that.
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:53 am
by kalm
CID1990 wrote:kalm wrote:Those numbers will change once the republicans gain control of congress, launch their investigations,
and remind those in doubt how much worse the alternative is.
The latest theory I've heard is that Obama will switch biden and clinton to strengthen his 2012 chances and get Hilary a jump start for '16.
I lol'ed at that.
Did I miss something? Has the Republican Party changed its positions on anything in the last couple of years, or will we be facing a 2006 redux now with the ability to launch investigations?
Also, has the Tea Party wing improved the Republican Party in the eyes of moderate Democrats and Independants?
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:13 am
by CitadelGrad
kalm wrote:CID1990 wrote:
I lol'ed at that.
Also, has the Tea Party wing improved the Republican Party in the eyes of moderate Democrats and Independants?
You'll find out tomorrow. 50 seats, no. 70 seats, yes. 60 seats, just the independents.
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:16 am
by kalm
CitadelGrad wrote:kalm wrote:
Also, has the Tea Party wing improved the Republican Party in the eyes of moderate Democrats and Independants?
You'll find out tomorrow. 50 seats, no. 70 seats, yes. 60 seats, just the independents.
That could also be a reflection of low turn out.
How about the party's ability to govern?
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:04 am
by Skjellyfetti
A similar poll taken in 1982 on Reagan had 36 percent. So he's doing better there. His approval ratings are also higher than Reagan's were at this point. And unemployment is lower than it was at this point in 1982.
Obama's fine.
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:07 am
by CitadelGrad
kalm wrote:CitadelGrad wrote:
You'll find out tomorrow. 50 seats, no. 70 seats, yes. 60 seats, just the independents.
That could also be a reflection of low turn out.
How about the party's ability to govern?
Indications are that this will be relatively high turnout for a mid-term election.
What about their ability to govern? Very often, governing least is governing best.
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:10 am
by CitadelGrad
Skjellyfetti wrote:A similar poll taken in 1982 on Reagan had 36 percent. So he's doing better there. His approval ratings are also higher than Reagan's were at this point. And unemployment is lower than it was at this point in 1982.
Obama's fine.
The U.S. began a strong recovery before the election of '84. It doesn't look like that's going to happen before 2012.
Obama's toast.
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:16 am
by Skjellyfetti
CitadelGrad wrote:
The U.S. began a strong recovery before the election of '84. It doesn't look like that's going to happen before 2012.
Obama's toast.
And unemployment is lower now than it was in 1982. I know y'all are praying it stays low so Obama's numbers stay low. But, I think it's far more likely the economy improves over the next two years than it gets worse or stays the same. You've been preaching a collapse of the economy for 7 or 8 months now. You better hope your prayers come true... otherwise Obama's reelected.
I'd be happy to make a wager with anyone in this thread that Obama is renominated in 2012. Any takers?
Speaking of which, you still owe me a UMASS hat, Col Hogan.
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:28 am
by ATrain
The 90's were great, VOTE HILLARY 2012!!!!
Re: Will Obama Even Be Renominated By Dems
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:41 am
by CitadelGrad
Skjellyfetti wrote:CitadelGrad wrote:
The U.S. began a strong recovery before the election of '84. It doesn't look like that's going to happen before 2012.
Obama's toast.
And unemployment is lower now than it was in 1982. I know y'all are praying it stays low so Obama's numbers stay low. But, I think it's far more likely the economy improves over the next two years than it gets worse or stays the same. You've been preaching a collapse of the economy for 7 or 8 months now. You better hope your prayers come true... otherwise Obama's reelected.
I haven't been preaching the collapse of the economy. I have simply observed that it is a very weak economy that could fall into a double-dip recession. Why exactly do you think the economy will improve significantly over the next two years? And how exactly would you measure an improved economy? Would you say the economy is improved if GDP growth reaches 3%, but inflation is higher and unemployment is still above 8%? What about the federal budget deficit and national debt? Those impact the long-term health of the economy as well.