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Do you think Obama intentionally lied in 2009 when he bragged about the "shovel-ready" projects in the Porkulus bill he was promoting?

No, he really believes he is doing something great for this country.

Gil Dobie wrote:No, he really believes he is doing something great for this country.

I understand that he believes his own vision and his own goodness, but do you really think he didn't know that there were no shovel-ready projects when he said there were?

Either he knew that the words "shovel ready" were a lie when he uttered them, or he is the most colosally incompetent idiot to ever have occupied the white house. He has indeed proven himself to be incompetent, but I believe he knew the words to be false when he uttered them.

Honestly I just have no idea anymore. How could he not have known this?

Not sure what the definition of “shovel ready” is…with respect to if an infrastructure project had to be completely designed or nearing completion of design to qualify, but a few of the project I have been on have received funding from the Fed. (At least I was told they received funding, I have no way of knowing other than the clients giving green lights to proceed with and complete design.) Whether or not that came from the stimulus package that was passed or some other funding program is beyond me.

Why are you guys cutting Obama a break on this issue?

Even the New York Times called him on it:

"Even before President Obama entered the White House, he and his allies successfully used the allure of “shovel ready” infrastructure projects to help sell his $787 billion stimulus legislation to a resistant Congress and a wary public. ... "

But in his New York Times interview published last week, the President admitted that "...there’s really nothing — there’s no such thing as shovel-ready projects.” ...

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010 ... -so-ready/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don’t know about there not being “shovel ready” projects. I’ve seen some instances where projects were completely designed, but put on a shelf due to lack of funding, uncompetitive bids, too high of a big/cost and just a client being hesitant to pull the trigger on proceeding with construction. Basically some of these types of projects could have been built if some funding came through from somewhere, but it’s in the Times so obviously I am wrong.

Were his lips moving? Then....YES.

Most insane ways the Obama Regime has spent stimulus money (in addition to the stimulus checks for 89,000 dead people and prisoners):

-Taxpayer money for a program to teach Africans how to wash their genitals.
-Taxpayer money for Sri Lankan outsourcing training centers (i.e. to train Sri Lankans how to replace Americans at American jobs).
-Taxpayer money to bus Mexicans into New Mexico for free education.
-Taxpayer money for clean-energy windmill program in China.
-Taxpayer money for minority construction projects which deliberately exclude white construction workers.

It's one world, now, native. American is no longer a leader and I applaud Obama's thinking. We are now just another country, mostly thanks to Conkunism and Conk hate for brown-skinned people, which you, BTW, show in every single thread you start.

I'm offended that you referred to our President as collosally incompetent or a liar, given the sacrifices he & his family are making for the next 4-8 yrs in service to their country. A full apology to Cappy Cat is expected & due....or you can just delete the sentence....

Appaholic wrote:I'm offended that you referred to our President as collosally incompetent or a liar, given the sacrifices he & his family are making for the next 4-8 yrs in service to their country. A full apology to Cappy Cat is expected & due....or you can just delete the sentence....

I apologize to you App.

The Cap can fvck himself. Again.

native wrote:

Appaholic wrote:I'm offended that you referred to our President as collosally incompetent or a liar, given the sacrifices he & his family are making for the next 4-8 yrs in service to their country. A full apology to Cappy Cat is expected & due....or you can just delete the sentence....

I apologize to you App.

The Cap can fvck himself. Again.

Ehh...don't apologize tio me...I agree with you....about the lying, I mean...

Appaholic wrote:

native wrote:
I apologize to you App.

The Cap can fvck himself. Again.

Ehh...don't apologize tio me...I agree with you....about the lying, I mean...

Based on his admission last week in the New York Times interview, I really think Obama intentionally lied when he used the words "shovel ready" in 2009. I do not think it possible that he and his advisors did not know that there was no such thing at the time.

native wrote:

Appaholic wrote:
Ehh...don't apologize tio me...I agree with you....about the lying, I mean...

Based on his admission last week in the New York Times interview, I really think Obama intentionally lied when he used the words "shovel ready" in 2009. I do not think it possible that he and his advisors did not know that there was no such thing at the time.

I don't either & I agree with AZ'zs comment above about lips moving....they are politicians, you know

native wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:No, he really believes he is doing something great for this country.

I understand that he believes his own vision and his own goodness, but do you really think he didn't know that there were no shovel-ready projects when he said there were?

Either he knew that the words "shovel ready" were a lie when he uttered them, or he is the most colosally incompetent idiot to ever have occupied the white house. He has indeed proven himself to be incompetent, but I believe he knew the words to be false when he uttered them.

IMO, Obama really believed it, as we saw with Bush, the head and tail don't always communicate. Some one down chain of command had shovel ready on paper, and Obama and his staff actually believed it.

native: the Frank Burns of CS Poli talk.

Cap'n Cat wrote:native: the Frank Burns of CS Poli talk.

I was trying to come up with that, but all I could think of was King Arthur from the "Holy Grail"

Personally, I think Obama unintentionally lied.

kalm wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:native: the Frank Burns of CS Poli talk.

I was trying to come up with that, but all I could think of was King Arthur from the "Holy Grail"

Personally, I think Obama unintentionally lied.

Obama did nothing but get a little overexuberant about our nation's prospects. I like him for that. At least the fvcker's positive. He and his folks have decades of Conk sh*t to untangle, going all the way back to the biggest Conk failure of all, Reagan.

Obama will do well.

Just a big pork payoff is all....nothing to see here...move along.

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Fake Stimulus Just The Latest Obama Insult
IBD Editorials ^ | October 19, 2010 | Phyllis Schlafly

All sides admit that jobs are the No. 1 issue in 2010, but only three weeks before the crucial make-or-break congressional election on Nov. 2, Obama casually admitted that his claim last year that his stimulus spending bill would create 3.5 million "shovel-ready jobs" was not true.

Fox News played six video clips from different Obama speeches bragging that his $787 billion stimulus bill would create millions of "shovel-ready jobs." Now, Obama admits that those things he talked about never existed.

He played his Democratic majority in Congress for suckers. He conned them into voting yes for the stimulus bill, while Republicans stood their ground and unanimously voted no.

Columnist Mark Shields commented, "How would you like to be a Democratic member of the House fighting for your life right now, getting hit over the head for having voted for the stimulus bill, and have the president say in the New York Times Sunday magazine, 'There's no such thing as shovel-ready projects'?"

Obama deceived his grass-roots supporters the same way. He sent messages to thousands of cell phones to get them to hold 3,587 house meetings, covering all 50 states and every congressional district, so they could listen to his sales talk for the stimulus over the Internet, and then call their members of Congress to urge them to vote yes.

Obama's friends performed loyally, and now they have to face the truth that the stimulus is not merely a failure, it was a fake.

Obama keeps pouring salt into his friends' political wounds.

(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...

Bronco wrote:Just a big pork payoff is all....nothing to see here...move along.

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Fake Stimulus Just The Latest Obama Insult
IBD Editorials ^ | October 19, 2010 | Phyllis Schlafly

All sides admit that jobs are the No. 1 issue in 2010, but only three weeks before the crucial make-or-break congressional election on Nov. 2, Obama casually admitted that his claim last year that his stimulus spending bill would create 3.5 million "shovel-ready jobs" was not true.

Fox News played six video clips from different Obama speeches bragging that his $787 billion stimulus bill would create millions of "shovel-ready jobs." Now, Obama admits that those things he talked about never existed.

He played his Democratic majority in Congress for suckers. He conned them into voting yes for the stimulus bill, while Republicans stood their ground and unanimously voted no.

Columnist Mark Shields commented, "How would you like to be a Democratic member of the House fighting for your life right now, getting hit over the head for having voted for the stimulus bill, and have the president say in the New York Times Sunday magazine, 'There's no such thing as shovel-ready projects'?"

Obama deceived his grass-roots supporters the same way. He sent messages to thousands of cell phones to get them to hold 3,587 house meetings, covering all 50 states and every congressional district, so they could listen to his sales talk for the stimulus over the Internet, and then call their members of Congress to urge them to vote yes.

Obama's friends performed loyally, and now they have to face the truth that the stimulus is not merely a failure, it was a fake.

Obama keeps pouring salt into his friends' political wounds.

(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...

More partisan Conkjecture and biased opinion. Nothing to see here....Move along.

Cap'n Cat wrote:It's one world, now, native. American is no longer a leader and I applaud Obama's thinking. We are now just another country, mostly thanks to Conkunism and Conk hate for brown-skinned people, which you, BTW, show in every single thread you start.

Another patently false Alynski-ism. You are consistent and persistent with your lies, denials, counter attacks and personal attacks, Cap. I will give you that.

native wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:It's one world, now, native. American is no longer a leader and I applaud Obama's thinking. We are now just another country, mostly thanks to Conkunism and Conk hate for brown-skinned people, which you, BTW, show in every single thread you start.

Another patently false Alynski-ism. You are consistent and persistent with your lies, denials, counter attacks and personal attacks, Cap. I will give you that.

Read all your posts, native, and you'll discover that you are no better.

Cap'n Cat wrote:

native wrote:
Another patently false Alynski-ism. You are consistent and persistent with your lies, denials, counter attacks and personal attacks, Cap. I will give you that.

Read all your posts, native, and you'll discover that you are no better.

Nearly everyone who posts is more honest and demonstrates more intelligence, good faith, fair play, decency and grasp of facts than you, Cap. I know, a few of the fart-lighters around here appreciate the "humor" of your polemic debauchery schtick, but the fart-lighters to a man add more actual value than you.

Your only redeeming personal quality is that you have about five quality friends who laugh at your pornography and stick up for you in PMs. Those friends are good men who count for a great deal - I just wish you would once in a while actually DEMONSTRATE the class and human qualities they see in you.

It's never too late.

Appaholic wrote:

native wrote:
Based on his admission last week in the New York Times interview, I really think Obama intentionally lied when he used the words "shovel ready" in 2009. I do not think it possible that he and his advisors did not know that there was no such thing at the time.

I don't either & I agree with AZ'zs comment above about lips moving....they are politicians, you know

I am not willing to go quite that far, Appaholic. I think sometimes politicians - even Obama - are earnest in their attempts at public service. I just think that this instance was a deliberate sham.