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SALMON, Idaho (Reuters) – Never shot a gun? Never been to Utah? Got a "combat mindset"?
If yes to the above, you could qualify for a concealed gun permit from Utah, which is seeing record demand for permits from people all across the United States who never been to the state and have no intention of ever going.

Texas and other gun-friendly states require gun permit classes to be based in their state, which Utah does not. Utah's licenses are valid in more states than most, too. Idaho permits are valid in only four other states -- one eighth the number with which Utah has agreements.
Not all states are happy with Utah's plan. Western neighbors New Mexico and Nevada in recent months have revoked recognition of Utah's licenses because it doesn't oblige applicants to train with a handgun or even fire one.
With the state poised to become the de facto national supplier of such permits, officials with the Utah Bureau of Criminal Identification say they are overwhelmed.
"The only people making money off it are the instructors," said Lt. Doug Anderson, manager of the concealed firearms program.

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What a dumb fucking system. At least require a gun owner to show that they know proper safety and handling techniques.

Fucking idiot UTARDS.

Without getting into the weeds too far, there are two major groups of states that have reciprocal agreements with each other for CCW permits and they are not mutually exclusive. Delaware is a more restrictive state, but once you get your CCW here, you can get a non-resident CCW with Pennsylvania based solely on your already holding a CCW in Delaware, and between the two states, you then have reciprocity with every state that issues a CCW permit.

93henfan wrote:Without getting into the weeds too far, there are two major groups of states that have reciprocal agreements with each other for CCW permits and they are not mutually exclusive. Delaware is a more restrictive state, but once you get your CCW here, you can get a non-resident CCW with Pennsylvania based solely on your already holding a CCW in Delaware, and between the two states, you then have reciprocity with every state that issues a CCW permit.

If I get a non-resident permit from Pennsylvania, it only adds one more state to my permit list over my VA permit...

But if I get a Utah non-resident permit, it add about 5 more states to my carry list...

I've found a school in Massachusetts that does the Utah training and paperwork...next time I go visit the parents I'm thinking of taking the class...

I'm still trying to figure out what jon's issue with this???

bobbythekidd wrote:

Yep...without a Utah non-resident permit, I can't carry in Georgia...

But with one.....

I carry wherever I want to including Canada.

Col Hogan wrote:

93henfan wrote:Without getting into the weeds too far, there are two major groups of states that have reciprocal agreements with each other for CCW permits and they are not mutually exclusive. Delaware is a more restrictive state, but once you get your CCW here, you can get a non-resident CCW with Pennsylvania based solely on your already holding a CCW in Delaware, and between the two states, you then have reciprocity with every state that issues a CCW permit.

If I get a non-resident permit from Pennsylvania, it only adds one more state to my permit list over my VA permit...

But if I get a Utah non-resident permit, it add about 5 more states to my carry list...

I've found a school in Massachusetts that does the Utah training and paperwork...next time I go visit the parents I'm thinking of taking the class...

I'm still trying to figure out what jon's issue with this???

Why do you need a gun? A handgun, to carry? What are you afraid of? According to your god and source of objective truth, thou shalt not kill. Right?

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I carry wherever I want to including Canada.

Yeah, this:



"Look what I almost stepped in!.....a guk, guk......"

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I carry wherever I want to including Canada.

I do also whenever on a trip.

D1B wrote:

Col Hogan wrote:
If I get a non-resident permit from Pennsylvania, it only adds one more state to my permit list over my VA permit...

But if I get a Utah non-resident permit, it add about 5 more states to my carry list...

I've found a school in Massachusetts that does the Utah training and paperwork...next time I go visit the parents I'm thinking of taking the class...

I'm still trying to figure out what jon's issue with this???

Why do you need a gun? A handgun, to carry? What are you afraid of? According to your god and source of objective truth, thou shalt not kill. Right?

The english translation of "Thou shalt not kill" is really poor from the ancient tounges, which had multiple words for taking of a life...

In english, it really should be murder...(intentionally, with intent and thought)...

The Catholic Church, and for that matter just about any religion, has never opposed self defense...

So, to your question, I carry a weapon for self defense...

I am not a law enforcement officer and do not get involved in their stuff...I do not try to apprehend bad guys...I do not try to stop thieves...

I carry one for defense of myself, and my family...and any innocent person in my immediate area...

Nothing more...nothing less...

If I was to ever take a life in self defense, I'm comfortable, having discussed it with my priest, that I would be clearly in the right...just as a member of the military...with proper authority, is in the right applying force in the course of carrying out legal orders...

What a shitty article, and I am being generous in calling it shitty. Not one thing that talks about how many are issued, revoked, reasons for revocation etc. I’ve seen the numbers and most are revoked because of alcohol related offenses. Meaning, you get a DUI and they will revoke it. It doesn’t have to be gun related, just get a ticket. All the stats are easy to look up if they wanted to actually research this story instead of getting on a soap box. All this article is is politics, and not even a good attempt at it. I'd like for the writer to look up and find one instance of a permit holder committing a crime with a weapon. Just one. Not saying it doesn't happen, just can't remember hearing about one and they sure don't publish that piece of information.

I took this class almost 10 years ago, my instructor did have me fire my weapon. It isn't required but most people I talk to about the CCW do fire them during their class. I wouldn't have a problem with a requirement to fire one as a pre-requisite to the permit, but I would also like to see exceptions made. I mean, do I really need to get 10,20,30,X minutes of instructions on how to fire a weapon when I spent 4 years in the Army and went to many ranges and deployed? I say this but I personally didn’t mind firing it at the class, I enjoy going to the range and fire mine every opportunity I get, legally mind you.

Really, nothing of use in this article, too bad they media has to distort it and feed it to the sheep.

GrizFanStuckInUtah! You're still alive!!

93henfan wrote:GrizFanStuckInUtah! You're still alive!!

Ya, just the typical off season hiatus. It is getting closer to football season, so I have to get back on here

Col Hogan wrote:

D1B wrote:

Why do you need a gun? A handgun, to carry? What are you afraid of? According to your god and source of objective truth, thou shalt not kill. Right?

The english translation of "Thou shalt not kill" is really poor from the ancient tounges, which had multiple words for taking of a life...

In english, it really should be murder...(intentionally, with intent and thought)...

The Catholic Church, and for that matter just about any religion, has never opposed self defense...

So, to your question, I carry a weapon for self defense...

I am not a law enforcement officer and do not get involved in their stuff...I do not try to apprehend bad guys...I do not try to stop thieves...

I carry one for defense of myself, and my family...and any innocent person in my immediate area...

Nothing more...nothing less...

If I was to ever take a life in self defense, I'm comfortable, having discussed it with my priest, that I would be clearly in the right...just as a member of the military...with proper authority, is in the right applying force in the course of carrying out legal orders...

Yeah, I bet your priest is a veritable cornucopia of info about the the real world.

D1B wrote:

Col Hogan wrote:
The english translation of "Thou shalt not kill" is really poor from the ancient tounges, which had multiple words for taking of a life...

In english, it really should be murder...(intentionally, with intent and thought)...

The Catholic Church, and for that matter just about any religion, has never opposed self defense...

So, to your question, I carry a weapon for self defense...

I am not a law enforcement officer and do not get involved in their stuff...I do not try to apprehend bad guys...I do not try to stop thieves...

I carry one for defense of myself, and my family...and any innocent person in my immediate area...

Nothing more...nothing less...

If I was to ever take a life in self defense, I'm comfortable, having discussed it with my priest, that I would be clearly in the right...just as a member of the military...with proper authority, is in the right applying force in the course of carrying out legal orders...

Yeah, I bet your priest is a veritable cornucopia of info about the the real world.

You mean like you are???

Col Hogan wrote:

D1B wrote:

Yeah, I bet your priest is a veritable cornucopia of info about the the real world.

You mean like you are???

I bet I got more life experience than your fucking priest. It aint like the church and bible are adding new shit all the time.

How'd this turn into a religious issue?

H.I. McDunough wrote:How'd this turn into a religious issue?

Anything D1B touches turns into an anti-religion issue...

It's the only thing he's got...

Col Hogan wrote:It's the only thing he's got...

He even AZ'd my avatar.

Col Hogan wrote:

H.I. McDunough wrote:How'd this turn into a religious issue?

Anything D1B touches turns into an anti-religion issue...

It's the only thing he's got...

He "thinks" its the only thing he has........................he doesnt even have that.