Last year, ExxonMobil donated $7 million to a grab-bag of public policy institutes, including the Aspen Institute, the Asia Society and Transparency International. It also gave a combined $125,000 to the Heritage Institute and the National Center for Policy Analysis, two conservative think tanks that have offered dissenting views on what until recently was called—without irony—the climate change "consensus."
To read some of the press accounts of these gifts—amounting to about 0.0027% of Exxon's 2008 profits of $45 billion—you might think you'd hit upon the scandal of the age. But thanks to what now goes by the name of climategate, it turns out the real scandal lies elsewhere.
Climategate, as readers of these pages know, concerns some of the world's leading climate scientists working in tandem to block freedom of information requests, blackball dissenting scientists, manipulate the peer-review process, and obscure, destroy or massage inconvenient temperature data—facts that were laid bare by last week's disclosure of thousands of emails from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit, or CRU.
But the deeper question is why the scientists behaved this way to begin with, especially since the science behind man-made global warming is said to be firmly settled. To answer the question, it helps to turn the alarmists' follow-the-money methods right back at them.
Consider the case of Phil Jones, the director of the CRU and the man at the heart of climategate. According to one of the documents leaked from his center, between 2000 and 2006 Mr. Jones was the recipient (or co-recipient) of some $19 million worth of research grants, a sixfold increase over what he'd been awarded in the 1990s.
Why did the money pour in so quickly? Because the climate alarm kept ringing so loudly: The louder the alarm, the greater the sums. And who better to ring it than people like Mr. Jones, one of its likeliest beneficiaries?
Thus, the European Commission's most recent appropriation for climate research comes to nearly $3 billion, and that's not counting funds from the EU's member governments. In the U.S., the House intends to spend $1.3 billion on NASA's climate efforts, $400 million on NOAA's, and another $300 million for the National Science Foundation. American states also have a piece of the action, with California—apparently not feeling bankrupt enough—devoting $600 million to their own climate initiative. In Australia, alarmists have their own Department of Climate Change at their funding disposal.
And all this is only a fraction of the $94 billion that HSBC estimates has been spent globally this year on what it calls "green stimulus"—largely ethanol and other alternative energy schemes—of the kind from which Al Gore and his partners at Kleiner Perkins hope to profit handsomely.
Supply, as we know, creates its own demand. So for every additional billion in government-funded grants (or the tens of millions supplied by foundations like the Pew Charitable Trusts), universities, research institutes, advocacy groups and their various spin-offs and dependents have emerged from the woodwork to receive them.
Today these groups form a kind of ecosystem of their own. They include not just old standbys like the Sierra Club or Greenpeace, but also Ozone Action, Clean Air Cool Planet, Americans for Equitable Climate Change Solutions, the Alternative Energy Resources Association, the California Climate Action Registry and so on and on. All of them have been on the receiving end of climate-change-related funding, so all of them must believe in the reality (and catastrophic imminence) of global warming just as a priest must believe in the existence of God.
None of these outfits are per se corrupt, in the sense that the monies they get are spent on something other than their intended purposes. But they depend on an inherently corrupting premise, namely that the hypothesis on which their livelihood depends has in fact been proved. Absent that proof, everything they represent—including the thousands of jobs they provide—vanishes. This is what's known as a vested interest, and vested interests are an enemy of sound science.
Which brings us back to the climategate scientists, the keepers of the keys to the global warming cathedral. In one of the more telling disclosures from last week, a computer programmer writes of the CRU's temperature database: "I am very sorry to report that the rest of the databases seems to be in nearly as poor a state as Australia was. . . . Aarrggghhh! There truly is no end in sight. . . . We can have a proper result, but only by including a load of garbage!"
This is not the sound of settled science, but of a cracking empirical foundation. And however many billion-dollar edifices may be built on it, sooner or later it is bound to crumble.
Follow The Money: NASA Climatologist Pleads Guilty To Fraud
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:32 am
by travelinman67
Former NASA climate scientist pleads guilty to contract fraud
By: Bill Myers
Examiner Staff Writer
December 2, 2009
A former top climate scientist who had become of one the scientific world's most cited authorities on the human effect on Earth's atmosphere was sentenced to probation Tuesday after pleading guilty to steering lucrative no-bid contracts to his wife's company.
In addition to a year's probation, former NASA manager Mark Schoeberl, 60, of Silver Spring, was also fined $10,000 and ordered to put in 50 hours of community service. He admitted in the late summer that he had hid some $50,000 in NASA contracts for a company called Animated Earth, which was run by Schoeberl's wife, Barbara. Prosecutors alleged that Schoeberl tried to help his wife's firm for years. When his colleagues balked at giving no-bid contracts to his wife's firm, Schoeberl pressured them to steer money to his wife through indirect means.
Schoeberl was the chief scientist of the Goddard Space Flight Center's Earth Sciences Division and the head of the Aura Project, a NASA mission to study the Earth's ozone layer, air quality and climate. He has written extensively about the depletion of the ozone level, and the influence of humans on global climate change.
Animated Earth offers plasma-screen kiosks that carry satellite images of the Earth's climate and atmosphere.
"It's an important conviction because it vindicates the principle that federal employees have to act in the public's interest," U.S. Attorney Rod Rosenstein told The Examiner. "The goal here, really, is ... to promote a fair field for contractors."
As early as 2004, Schoeberl began asking about ways to direct no-bid contracts to Animated Earth, he admitted in his plea agreement.
As the chief scientist at the Earth Sciences Division and leader on the Aura Project, Schoeberl had a lot of clout on the space agency's climate change contracting. He helped his wife draw up invoices for her work and wrote "sole source justification" forms for tens of thousands of dollars in no-bid contracts that went to Animated Earth.
If you can't do for family...
Schoeberl's help to his wife's firm
» Convinced colleagues to approve $20,000 appropriation in 2004
» Wrote no-bid justification after $60,000 contract awarded
» Wife's firm won $190,000 in no-bid contracts between fiscal 2006 and 2008
Efforts to reach Schoeberl's wife were unsuccessful.
Prosecutors confined their efforts to Schoeberl's business practices and not his scientific one, but it's been a rough couple of weeks for global warming. Officials at the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in Norwich, England -- whose research has made up the backbone of world climate policy -- are still trying to explain e-mails that show staff suppressing evidence against global warming.
GE needs all the help it can get right now, with its stock hurtling closer towards $0 on a daily basis. The company obviously stands to benefit from infrastructure buildout, and from capturing its share of green (energy) dollars. The more wind-turbines we erect, the better for GE.
But there's a nexus between its green ambitions and its finance unit in the form of a new venture called Greenhouse Gas Services, which will facilitate the trade of carbon tax credits.
Thus as Tim Carney* notes, GE has been lobbying heavily for a cap-and-trade system, rather than a straight tax system which wouldn't require a market. And of course they got their wish:
GE — a member of the U.S. Climate Action Partnership, which advocates cap and trade — leads the push for greenhouse gas restrictions.
In the fourth quarter of 2008 as the company’s stock fell 30 percent, GE spent $4.26 million on lobbying — that’s $46,304 each day, including weekends, Thanksgiving and Christmas. In 2008, the company spent a grand total of $18.66 million on lobbying.
Reviewing their lobbying filings, you might think you were looking at Al Gore’s agenda. GE’s specific lobbying issues included the “Climate Stewardship Act,” “Electric Utility Cap and Trade Act,” “Global Warming Reduction Act,” “Federal Government Greenhouse Gas Registry Act,” “Low Carbon Economy Act,” and “Lieberman-Warner Climate Security Act.”
Of course, this market won't really get going until 2012, so hopefully GE will still be around in its current form to see all the lobbying pay off.
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:05 am
by Cap'n Cat
Can't put together any of his own thoughts, needs to cite obscure muckraking crap ad nauseam. Bad habit.
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:09 am
by AZGrizFan
Cap'n Cat wrote:Can't put together any of his own thoughts, needs to cite obscure muckraking crap ad nauseam. Bad habit.
Classic donk diversion: Can't defeat the message, shoot the messenger.
Admit it, Cap. The GW crowd has been exposed. They've essentially poisoned the well, and can't be taken seriously, which is too bad since I'm sure there are many altruistic environmental scientists out there doing good work.
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:27 am
by Cap'n Cat
AZGrizFan wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:Can't put together any of his own thoughts, needs to cite obscure muckraking crap ad nauseam. Bad habit.
Classic donk diversion: Can't defeat the message, shoot the messenger.
Admit it, Cap. The GW crowd has been exposed. They've essentially poisoned the well, and can't be taken seriously, which is too bad since I'm sure there are many altruistic environmental scientists out there doing good work.
Bitch, the mesaage is tired. One of my points. He's One-Issue Wanda.
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:33 am
by travelinman67
Cap'n Cat wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Classic donk diversion: Can't defeat the message, shoot the messenger.
Admit it, Cap. The GW crowd has been exposed. They've essentially poisoned the well, and can't be taken seriously, which is too bad since I'm sure there are many altruistic environmental scientists out there doing good work.
Bitch, the mesaage is tired. One of my points. He's One-Issue Wanda.
There's a reason why, Cap. This "environmentalism as religion" crap is destroying every modern nation on the planet. It's been stated this past week that the GW scam is the biggest fraud to have occurred over the past century. But what's important is what motivated the lawyers, politicians and businessmen behind it was less than altruistic.
You find this topic droll, because you can't understand the significance of this travesty. It's your mindset.
You like to "destroy" norms...not just challenge them.
And while you have that liberty...
...few concur with you.
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:43 am
by Cap'n Cat
travelinman67 wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:
Bitch, the mesaage is tired. One of my points. He's One-Issue Wanda.
There's a reason why, Cap. This "environmentalism as religion" crap is destroying every modern nation on the planet. It's been stated this past week that the GW scam is the biggest fraud to have occurred over the past century. But what's important is what motivated the lawyers, politicians and businessmen behind it was less than altruistic.
You find this topic droll, because you can't understand the significance of this travesty. It's your mindset.
You like to "destroy" norms...not just challenge them.
And while you have that liberty...
...few concur with you.
Few concur with me? Doubtful at best! Fvck, I've been consistent in the fact that I am a GW doubter here. As such, this is telling of your inability to focus on the world around you, lashing out while wearing blinders!
Travesty? Scam? BWAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAA! It's a profound issue with tremendous ramifications. Fat, dumb and happy, quoting Rush Limbaugh won't get you anywhere in life, mon frere.
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:45 am
by Ibanez
Can I get an executive summary of Tmans posts? It's a post, not a fucking PH.d disertation.
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:48 am
by AZGrizFan
Ibanez wrote:Can I get an executive summary of Tmans posts? It's a post, not a fucking PH.d disertation.
It's that exact lack of an attention span that the GW crowd has been banking on for YEARS.
"If we can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, we'll baffle 'em with mountains of bullshit!"
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:53 am
by Cap'n Cat
AZGrizFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:Can I get an executive summary of Tmans posts? It's a post, not a fucking PH.d disertation.
It's that exact lack of an attention span that the GW crowd has been banking on for YEARS.
"If we can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, we'll baffle 'em with mountains of bullshit!"
Neat, Z. A twelve-year old poster coulda written this.
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:54 am
by Appaholic
AZGrizFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:Can I get an executive summary of Tmans posts? It's a post, not a fucking PH.d disertation.
It's that exact lack of an attention span that all politicians, regardless of the message or who's in power, have been banking on for YEARS.
"If we can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, we'll baffle 'em with mountains of bullshit!"
fify
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:16 am
by kalm
So the WSJ editorial board thinks GW is a myth? Well then it must be true.
I'll wait until a review of the damaging emails, taken within context is conducted. And then I'll wait until a legitmate scientific organization actually disputes that a crisis is occurring or until the Maldives quit sinking into the ocean. If there's scientific evidence to the contrary, some credentialied researcher or group out there that is not on the payroll of big oil stands to make millions by reporting on it.
Published on Thursday, December 3, 2009 by The Guardian/UK
Copenhagen Climate Change Talks Must Fail, says Top Scientist
Exclusive: World's leading climate change expert says summit talks so flawed that deal would be a disaster
by Suzanne Goldenberg
The scientist who convinced the world to take notice of the looming danger of global warming says it would be better for the planet and for future generations if next week's Copenhagen climate change summit ended in collapse.
In an interview with the Guardian, James Hansen, the world's pre-eminent climate scientist, said any agreement likely to emerge from the negotiations would be so deeply flawed that it would be better to start again from scratch.
We don’t have a leader who is able to grasp (the issue) and say what is really needed. Instead we are trying to continue business as usual,' say James Hansen. (Photograph: Gareth Fuller/PA)"I would rather it not happen if people accept that as being the right track because it's a disaster track," said Hansen, who heads the Nasa Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York.
"The whole approach is so fundamentally wrong that it is better to reassess the situation. If it is going to be the Kyoto-type thing then [people] will spend years trying to determine exactly what that means." He was speaking as progress towards a deal in Copenhagen received a boost today, with India revealing a target to curb its carbon emissions. All four of the major emitters – the US, China, EU and India – have now tabled offers on emissions, although the equally vexed issue of funding for developing nations to deal with global warming remains deadlocked.
Hansen, in repeated appearances before Congress beginning in 1989, has done more than any other scientist to educate politicians about the causes of global warming and to prod them into action to avoid its most catastrophic consequences. But he is vehemently opposed to the carbon market schemes – in which permits to pollute are bought and sold – which are seen by the EU and other governments as the most efficient way to cut emissions and move to a new clean energy economy.
Hansen is also fiercely critical of Barack Obama – and even Al Gore, who won a Nobel peace prize for his efforts to get the world to act on climate change – saying politicians have failed to meet what he regards as the moral challenge of our age.
In Hansen's view, dealing with climate change allows no room for the compromises that rule the world of elected politics. "This is analagous to the issue of slavery faced by Abraham Lincoln or the issue of Nazism faced by Winston Churchill," he said. "On those kind of issues you cannot compromise. You can't say let's reduce slavery, let's find a compromise and reduce it 50% or reduce it 40%."
He added: "We don't have a leader who is able to grasp it and say what is really needed. Instead we are trying to continue business as usual."
The understated Iowan's journey from climate scientist to activist accelerated in the last years of the Bush administration. Hansen, a reluctant public speaker, says he was forced into the public realm by the increasingly clear looming spectre of droughts, floods, famines and drowned cities indicated by the science.
That enormous body of scientific evidence has been put under a microscope by climate sceptics after last month's release online of hacked emails sent by respected researchers at the climate research unit of the University of East Anglia. Hansen admitted the controversy could shake public's trust, and called for an investigation. "All that stuff they are arguing about the data doesn't really change the analysis at all, but it does leave a very bad impression," he said.
The row reached Congress today, with Republicans accusing the researchers of engaging in "scientific fascism" and pressing the Obama administration's top science adviser, John Holdren, to condemn the email. Holdren, a climate scientist who wrote one of the emails in the UEA trove, said he was prepared to denounce any misuse of data by the scientists – if one is proved.
Hansen has emerged as a leading campaigner against the coal industry, which produces more greenhouse gas emissions than any other fuel source.
He has become a fixture at campus demonstrations and last summer was arrested at a protest against mountaintop mining in West Virginia, where he called the Obama government's policies "half-assed".
He has irked some environmentalists by espousing a direct carbon tax on fuel use. Some see that as a distraction from rallying support in Congress for cap-and-trade legislation that is on the table.
He is scathing of that approach. "This is analagous to the indulgences that the Catholic church sold in the middle ages. The bishops collected lots of money and the sinners got redemption. Both parties liked that arrangement despite its absurdity. That is exactly what's happening," he said. "We've got the developed countries who want to continue more or less business as usual and then these developing countries who want money and that is what they can get through offsets [sold through the carbon markets]."
For all Hansen's pessimism, he insists there is still hope. "It may be that we have already committed to a future sea level rise of a metre or even more but that doesn't mean that you give up.
"Because if you give up you could be talking about tens of metres. So I find it screwy that people say you passed a tipping point so it's too late. In that case what are you thinking: that we are going to abandon the planet? You want to minimise the damage."
• James Hansen's book Storms of My Grandchildren is published by Bloomsbury.
travelinman67 wrote:
There's a reason why, Cap. This "environmentalism as religion" crap is destroying every modern nation on the planet. It's been stated this past week that the GW scam is the biggest fraud to have occurred over the past century. But what's important is what motivated the lawyers, politicians and businessmen behind it was less than altruistic.
You find this topic droll, because you can't understand the significance of this travesty. It's your mindset.
You like to "destroy" norms...not just challenge them.
And while you have that liberty...
...few concur with you.
Wow..!!!
Environmentalism is destroying "every modern Nation on the planet"
T-man as much as you're correct about the key elements - and I believe you are correct about the key elements - of the argument I kinda think you do more damage to yourself when you make giant sweeping claims such as "destroying every modern Nation on earth"
WWII destroyed many of the great nations on earth... and yet they have returned
This too shall pass - and life will return to normal...
My simple hope we'll learn something from the billions spent in this odd and challenging endeavor - perhaps some good will come of all this - it's difficult to tell right now because the issue is so clouded with emotions and insanity - of which you contribute greatly...
Next time I see you: Yer gettin' a big HUG from little Cleetsy just like below
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:33 am
by AZGrizFan
Cap'n Cat wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
It's that exact lack of an attention span that the GW crowd has been banking on for YEARS.
"If we can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, we'll baffle 'em with mountains of bullshit!"
Neat, Z. A twelve-year old poster coulda written this.
Which is what makes it right up your alley.
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:55 am
by travelinman67
kalm wrote:So the WSJ editorial board thinks GW is a myth? Well then it must be true.
I'll wait until a review of the damaging emails, taken within context is conducted.
Why wait?
Set aside your bong for a week and read them yourself! Don't wait for some political apparatchiki to tell you what to think: Break the cycle. Think for yourself.
Clicking on the "PageXX" heading will let you scroll through the content of all the subordinate files.
Took me about 4 evenings of casual reading to go through them.
Most notable from an overview is the overt arrogance framing the context of their discussions. Unquestionably they hold an "us against them" state-of-siege mentality when discussing FOI or McIntyre and McKittrick's challenges to their assertions.
And don't forget while reading...
...these men are supposed to be "scientists" professionally educated and trained to embody objective, methodical discipline in their approach to problem solving.
Rather, the emails come across as sociopathic ramblings of soviet-era secret police.
kalm wrote: And then I'll wait until a legitmate scientific organization actually disputes that a crisis is occurring or until the Maldives quit sinking into the ocean. If there's scientific evidence to the contrary, some credentialied researcher or group out there that is not on the payroll of big oil stands to make millions by reporting on it.
Tens of thousands of scientists have refuted the IPCC's published conclusions in Assessment Report #4...publishing dozens of treatise on the AGW theory: I have linked to many of them in my posts.
You can find most of them discussed and linked in the archives at www.icecap.us.
kalm, I suspect you are very young, and either still in college or just graduated. What you don't recognize yet, is that you have become the product of your professors: educationally biased against capitalism.
Big business is not the boogeyman.
What you should fear most, is your inability to detect demagogues, like Gore, Hansen, Mann, the U.S. Congress, and the MSM talking heads.
Like I said: Think for yourself.
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:19 am
by travelinman67
Chizzang wrote:
...Next time I see you: Yer gettin' a big HUG from little Cleetsy just like below
Fuggin Hippie!
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Thanks for the heads up...I'll wear old clothes I can throw out afterwards.
Unless you'll spring for the dry cleaning bill to remove the tree sap.
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:51 am
by AZGrizFan
Cap'n Cat wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Classic donk diversion: Can't defeat the message, shoot the messenger.
Admit it, Cap. The GW crowd has been exposed. They've essentially poisoned the well, and can't be taken seriously, which is too bad since I'm sure there are many altruistic environmental scientists out there doing good work.
Bitch, the mesaage is tired. One of my points. He's One-Issue Wanda.
Maybe you ought to have the same conversation with your sister, Single-Issue Sally, about his obsession with all things religion-related.
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:07 am
by polsongrizz
AZGrizFan wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:
Bitch, the mesaage is tired. One of my points. He's One-Issue Wanda.
Maybe you ought to have the same conversation with your sister, Single-Issue Sally, about his obsession with all things religion-related.
Don't you have more pressing issues to deal with right now? Like getting your ass in the car and getting down here to buy me a beer?
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:13 am
by Chizzang
travelinman67 wrote:
Big business is not the boogeyman.
What you should fear most, is your inability to detect demagogues, like Gore, Hansen, Mann, the U.S. Congress, and the MSM talking heads.
Like I said: Think for yourself.
Yeah..!!!
Remember Kalm think for yourself like T-man does in fact think just like T-man
However: be sure NOT to notice that as he feverishly points out all the fraudulent scientists and Global Warming scams - he can't see with his own eyes - the Global War Machine that is a similar scam being pulled over the the eyes of the entire population of the planet...
8,000 U.S. Military bases and an entire trillion dollar global industry based around making money off of fear - off of an ideology based virtually completely on fiction...
Star Wars - 500,000 boxed and crated Nuclear weapons - stealth bombers sitting in hangars for decades - it goes on and on... and the business of fraud is rampant in the global war machine - in fact it's a necessary element as important as the deception of the entire concept itself...
but the point is:
From each of these giant (global) money based scams there is "some good" that comes of it... neither is all bad however they are both mostly based completely on bullsh!t and fear mongering and covered in fraud
so hurry up - pick something to HATE and be sure to HATE IT HARD - with all you might
but chose your HATE wisely - becasue if you hate the wrong thing... you're just an idiot
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:34 am
by kalm
travelinman67 wrote:
kalm wrote:So the WSJ editorial board thinks GW is a myth? Well then it must be true.
I'll wait until a review of the damaging emails, taken within context is conducted.
Why wait?
Set aside your bong for a week and read them yourself! Don't wait for some political apparatchiki to tell you what to think: Break the cycle. Think for yourself.
Clicking on the "PageXX" heading will let you scroll through the content of all the subordinate files.
Took me about 4 evenings of casual reading to go through them.
Most notable from an overview is the overt arrogance framing the context of their discussions. Unquestionably they hold an "us against them" state-of-siege mentality when discussing FOI or McIntyre and McKittrick's challenges to their assertions.
And don't forget while reading...
...these men are supposed to be "scientists" professionally educated and trained to embody objective, methodical discipline in their approach to problem solving.
Rather, the emails come across as sociopathic ramblings of soviet-era secret police.
kalm wrote: And then I'll wait until a legitmate scientific organization actually disputes that a crisis is occurring or until the Maldives quit sinking into the ocean. If there's scientific evidence to the contrary, some credentialied researcher or group out there that is not on the payroll of big oil stands to make millions by reporting on it.
Tens of thousands of scientists have refuted the IPCC's published conclusions in Assessment Report #4...publishing dozens of treatise on the AGW theory: I have linked to many of them in my posts.
You can find most of them discussed and linked in the archives at http://www.icecap.us.
kalm, I suspect you are very young, and either still in college or just graduated. What you don't recognize yet, is that you have become the product of your professors: educationally biased against capitalism.
Big business is not the boogeyman.
What you should fear most, is your inability to detect demagogues, like Gore, Hansen, Mann, the U.S. Congress, and the MSM talking heads.
Like I said: Think for yourself.
Listen Junior, I don’t have time to read 1,000 emails. I have a family to raise and business to run - you know contributing to our capitalistic system. I typically reserve my casual reading at night for non-sensical endeavors like Dr. Seuss with the kids, or your rants.
But I’m not educationally biased toward capitalism in the least. In fact I never took an economics class in college. On the contrary, I’ve spent the 15 years since owning and managing several businesses as part of our mixed economy and I’m quite fond of capitalism especially when it’s properly regulated, non monopolistic, and supports a vibrant middle class. But I never did buy into the mythology of a self correcting and altruistic free market. I’ve read the Fountainhead and found it to be a really nice work of fiction.
Businesses exist to make a profit and that doesn’t always jive with the best interests of the public at large.
There are certainly reasons to be skeptical about the climate debate - it’s a complex issue, and I’m sure politics plays a role just like it has with all scientific debates. But it’s naïve to not be equally skeptical about the motives of large industries that directly benefit from and externalize the costs of pollution and military protectionism to the public. Especially the ones that fund groups like icecap.
In some ways it’s similar to the bank bailouts - externalize the risks, socialism for the rich and capitalism for the working poor.
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:12 pm
by putter
all I know is that I have a 2 ft snow drift in my driveway and the HIGH temp today is supposed to be - 10*
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:48 pm
by travelinman67
kalm wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
Why wait?
Set aside your bong for a week and read them yourself! Don't wait for some political apparatchiki to tell you what to think: Break the cycle. Think for yourself.
Clicking on the "PageXX" heading will let you scroll through the content of all the subordinate files.
Took me about 4 evenings of casual reading to go through them.
Most notable from an overview is the overt arrogance framing the context of their discussions. Unquestionably they hold an "us against them" state-of-siege mentality when discussing FOI or McIntyre and McKittrick's challenges to their assertions.
And don't forget while reading...
...these men are supposed to be "scientists" professionally educated and trained to embody objective, methodical discipline in their approach to problem solving.
Rather, the emails come across as sociopathic ramblings of soviet-era secret police.
Tens of thousands of scientists have refuted the IPCC's published conclusions in Assessment Report #4...publishing dozens of treatise on the AGW theory: I have linked to many of them in my posts.
You can find most of them discussed and linked in the archives at http://www.icecap.us.
kalm, I suspect you are very young, and either still in college or just graduated. What you don't recognize yet, is that you have become the product of your professors: educationally biased against capitalism.
Big business is not the boogeyman.
What you should fear most, is your inability to detect demagogues, like Gore, Hansen, Mann, the U.S. Congress, and the MSM talking heads.
Like I said: Think for yourself.
But I’m not educationally biased toward capitalism in the least. In fact I never took an economics class in college.
No shit!
Really?
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:38 pm
by Grizalltheway
T, how come you're not in Copenhagen lighting tires on fire to protest the climate change conference?
Re: Follow The Money: The Global Warming Scam
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:19 pm
by Gil Dobie
Grizalltheway wrote:T, how come you're not in Copenhagen lighting tires on fire to protest the climate change conference?
All the private jets and limo's in the area are rented out for the week.