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AZGrizFan wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:02 am So you think McCain was a winner as a politician. Ok. I regret even holding my nose and voting for him..

I think McCain was one of the last willing to reach across the aisle and compromise. you know, what politicians used to do regularly. These entrenched positions they all take now are NOT beneficial for the country. I may not have liked every compromise he made, but he was one of the last of the “statesmen”.

I didn't like McCain as a politician but I respected him for that and for what he gave for our country. Cowardly old bone spurs has absolutely no right to call him a loser.

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Ibanez wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:35 am

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:02 am
So you think McCain was a winner as a politician. Ok. I regret even holding my nose and voting for him..

Which politicians, currently serving, are winners? What metric do you use?

Certainly not 45 yr career DC swamp creatures ie politicians like McCain was. Career DC politicians (both sides of the aisle) are everything that is wrong with DC.

AZGrizFan wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:02 am
So you think McCain was a winner as a politician. Ok. I regret even holding my nose and voting for him..

I think McCain was one of the last willing to reach across the aisle and compromise. you know, what politicians used to do regularly. These entrenched positions they all take now are NOT beneficial for the country. I may not have liked every compromise he made, but he was one of the last of the “statesmen”.

Agreed. We need more pragmatic problem solvers and fewer ideologically pure leaders.

I have a definite point of view, but as perfection is the enemy of good I should be able to reach reasonable compromise to attain workable solutions. I expect the same of the leadership.

Term and age limits are needed. No politicians need to serve for 20+ years or be elected after age 72.

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LeadBolt wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:37 am

AZGrizFan wrote:
I think McCain was one of the last willing to reach across the aisle and compromise. you know, what politicians used to do regularly. These entrenched positions they all take now are NOT beneficial for the country. I may not have liked every compromise he made, but he was one of the last of the “statesmen”.

Agreed. We need more pragmatic problem solvers and fewer ideologically pure leaders.

I have a definite point of view, but as perfection is the enemy of good I should be able to reach reasonable compromise to attain workable solutions. I expect the same of the leadership.

Term and age limits are needed. No politicians need to serve for 20+ years or be elected after age 72.

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Remember how he campaigned in 2016 to get rid of Obamacare, then in 2017 the thumbs down theatrics he pulled to be the deciding vote to uphold Obamacare in order to spite Trump..

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:52 am

LeadBolt wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:37 am
Agreed. We need more pragmatic problem solvers and fewer ideologically pure leaders.

I have a definite point of view, but as perfection is the enemy of good I should be able to reach reasonable compromise to attain workable solutions. I expect the same of the leadership.

Term and age limits are needed. No politicians need to serve for 20+ years or be elected after age 72.

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Remember how he campaigned in 2016 to get rid of Obamacare, then in 2017 the thumbs down theatrics he pulled to be the deciding vote to uphold Obamacare in order to spite Trump..

Like I said, I may not have liked everything he did, but if anybody had a reason to spite Trump, it was him. Still think this country would be in a lot different (and much better) place if he’d have won in ‘08 and not Obama. If McCain wins, there’s no Obama, no Biden, and most importantly, no Trump, IMHO.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 10:05 am

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:52 am
Remember how he campaigned in 2016 to get rid of Obamacare, then in 2017 the thumbs down theatrics he pulled to be the deciding vote to uphold Obamacare in order to spite Trump..

Like I said, I may not have liked everything he did, but if anybody had a reason to spite Trump, it was him. Still think this country would be in a lot different (and much better) place if he’d have won in ‘08 and not Obama. If McCain wins, there’s no Obama, no Biden, and most importantly, no Trump, IMHO.

Having lived in AZ, you would no more about McCain but I wasn't sure I wanted someone with his temper to have their finger on the nuclear trigger. Of course I had the same concerns about Trump and he did more for peace than any president in 20+ years.

If McCain won in 08, I think Obama would have run again in 12 or 16. He might have ended up like Mondale or he could have won. We'll never know.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:31 am

Ibanez wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:35 am
Which politicians, currently serving, are winners? What metric do you use?

Certainly not 45 yr career DC swamp creatures ie politicians like McCain was. Career DC politicians (both sides of the aisle) are everything that is wrong with DC.

You're not wrong but I don't think Trump was any better when it came to being a loser. Maybe we should make a list of the many examples of him being a loser.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:31 am

Ibanez wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:35 am

Which politicians, currently serving, are winners? What metric do you use?

Certainly not 45 yr career DC swamp creatures ie politicians like McCain was. Career DC politicians (both sides of the aisle) are everything that is wrong with DC.

You certainly have a strong argument there. Career politicians are concerned only with maintaining their power.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:52 am

LeadBolt wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:37 am
Agreed. We need more pragmatic problem solvers and fewer ideologically pure leaders.

I have a definite point of view, but as perfection is the enemy of good I should be able to reach reasonable compromise to attain workable solutions. I expect the same of the leadership.

Term and age limits are needed. No politicians need to serve for 20+ years or be elected after age 72.

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Remember how he campaigned in 2016 to get rid of Obamacare, then in 2017 the thumbs down theatrics he pulled to be the deciding vote to uphold Obamacare in order to spite Trump..

That's valid. But every politician flip-flops.

Lindsey Graham said if a supreme court vacancy came up in the last year of Trump's 1st term that the next president should fill it. That was an obvious flip-flop.

Hillary Clinton on TPP

Obama (and HRC) flipped on gay rights.

John Kerry's famous " I voted for it before I voted against it"

Ted Cruz on the TPA

Trump was pro-choice...now he's pro-life.

Ibanez wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:52 am Remember how he campaigned in 2016 to get rid of Obamacare, then in 2017 the thumbs down theatrics he pulled to be the deciding vote to uphold Obamacare in order to spite Trump..

That's valid. But every politician flip-flops.

Lindsey Graham said if a supreme court vacancy came up in the last year of Trump's 1st term that the next president should fill it. That was an obvious flip-flop.

Hillary Clinton on TPP

Obama (and HRC) flipped on gay rights.

John Kerry's famous " I voted for it before I voted against it"

Ted Cruz on the TPA

Trump was pro-choice...now he's pro-life.

The only thing a politician is consistent on is flip-flopping depending on who they are trying to appease (not because of a change in thought process or belief). They are like a wind sock. Blow hard enough (i.e. give money to) and they will find a new direction to point to.

UNI88 wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote: I think McCain was one of the last willing to reach across the aisle and compromise. you know, what politicians used to do regularly. These entrenched positions they all take now are NOT beneficial for the country. I may not have liked every compromise he made, but he was one of the last of the “statesmen”.

I didn't like McCain as a politician but I respected him for that and for what he gave for our country. Cowardly old bone spurs has absolutely no right to call him a loser.

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I respect his service but that is about it. My problem with McCain started with his handling of his first wife and the fact that his "compromises" seemed to happen more out of spite and what was good for him, than a true compromise in what was best for the country. And I will give him a "little bit of credit" in that not all of his compromises fit the above, but the vast majority seemed to.

Winterborn wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:51 am

UNI88 wrote:I didn't like McCain as a politician but I respected him for that and for what he gave for our country. Cowardly old bone spurs has absolutely no right to call him a loser.

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I respect his service but that is about it. My problem with McCain started with his handling of his first wife and the fact that his "compromises" seemed to happen more out of spite and what was good for him, than a true compromise in what was best for the country. And I will give him a "little bit of credit" in that not all of his compromises fit the above, but the vast majority seemed to.

Don't disagree at all.

In today's political environment, a politician willing to compromise even out of spite or what was good for him/her would be a breath of fresh air.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:02 am

AZGrizFan wrote:
I think McCain was one of the last willing to reach across the aisle and compromise. you know, what politicians used to do regularly. These entrenched positions they all take now are NOT beneficial for the country. I may not have liked every compromise he made, but he was one of the last of the “statesmen”.

I didn't like McCain as a politician but I respected him for that and for what he gave for our country. Cowardly old bone spurs has absolutely no right to call him a loser.

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I never thought much of McCain. Thought he got where he was in life due to his father's connections, never thought of him as particularly bright. Heck, his inclusion in the Keating Five was less about malfeasance than it was about not understanding the big picture of what he was getting into. He wasn't a bad person, but nothing particularly noteworthy about him either. That put him in similar company in the Senate.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:16 am

Winterborn wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:51 am

I respect his service but that is about it. My problem with McCain started with his handling of his first wife and the fact that his "compromises" seemed to happen more out of spite and what was good for him, than a true compromise in what was best for the country. And I will give him a "little bit of credit" in that not all of his compromises fit the above, but the vast majority seemed to.

Don't disagree at all.

In today's political environment, a politician willing to compromise even out of spite or what was good for him/her would be a breath of fresh air.

Exactly. He looks like a fucking saint when compared to the last 15 years of politicians.

HHHmmmmm

I wonder how dback and JSO will destroy this leftie while bending over backwards to defend Biden.

JSO, come get your boy.

‘and women’
‘etc’
Even reading off a teleprompter he still can’t get it right...

Somebody please keep this basket case and his Walmart-PhD wife out of Delaware. He was elected POTUS, not governor. He fucks up our traffic every time he comes home — like, every weekend.

Maybe he just likes lapping up conk tears. Cry more.

Skjellyfetti wrote:Maybe he just likes lapping up conk tears. Cry more.

Maybe he doesn’t know where he is or what he had for lunch.

That’s why we didn’t invite him to Sambos but we invited you, you little ankle biting conspiracy theorist twerp


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i'd go to sambos and throw down with you old guys if i lived closer.

i think the only ags / cs.com guys i've met are OL FU and paward.

CID1990 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:03 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote:Maybe he just likes lapping up conk tears. Cry more.

Maybe he doesn’t know where he is or what he had for lunch.

That’s why we didn’t invite him to Sambos but we invited you, you little ankle biting conspiracy theorist twerp


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LAWL

Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:13 pm i'd go to sambos and throw down with you old guys if i lived closer.

i think the only ags / cs.com guys i've met are OL FU and paward.

That’s because you live in a shack on a mountain in NC without running water.

I miss those days.

Now I live in the flatlands of central Illinois. Running water is a plus, but no goats to fuck. Corn cobs fuck you and that just ain't right

Not to worry, analjelly. Uncle Houndy can teach you how to position those pesky cobs.