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UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:04 am

kalm wrote:Transcripts of phone messages left for Judge Engoron in the NY Supreme Court case.





https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... r_affirm_9

Why are you lashing out at trump? He didn’t tell those people to leave those messages. It isn’t his fault. He’s just finally standing up and fighting back the way Republicans should have a long time ago.

Stop your weaponized witch hunt and this will stop.

kalm wrote:

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:04 am Why are you lashing out at trump? He didn’t tell those people to leave those messages. It isn’t his fault. He’s just finally standing up and fighting back the way Republicans should have a long time ago.

Stop your weaponized witch hunt and this will stop.

More explanation of what this means. From a filed affirmation by a court officer who works as a captain in the Judicial Threats Assessment Unit…

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:44 pm

kalm wrote:
More explanation of what this means. From a filed affirmation by a court officer who works as a captain in the Judicial Threats Assessment Unit…

Fake news. The establishment and MSM are making stuff up to get trump.


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kalm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 12:24 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:04 am

Why are you lashing out at trump? He didn’t tell those people to leave those messages. It isn’t his fault. He’s just finally standing up and fighting back the way Republicans should have a long time ago.

Stop your weaponized witch hunt and this will stop.

More explanation of what this means. From a filed affirmation by a court officer who works as a captain in the Judicial Threats Assessment Unit…

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:25 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 12:24 pm

More explanation of what this means. From a filed affirmation by a court officer who works as a captain in the Judicial Threats Assessment Unit…

Listen to you old hens go!

SeattleGriz wrote:

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 12:24 pm More explanation of what this means. From a filed affirmation by a court officer who works as a captain in the Judicial Threats Assessment Unit…

Listen to you old hens go!

At the same time, Trump was privately pressing Pence to reject certain votes at the Jan. 6 proceedings and block certification of the election -- and Trump even suggested to Pence that perhaps he should skip the session altogether, Pence allegedly told Smith's team. But, according to sources, Pence told investigators that he "clearly and repeatedly" emphasized to Trump that rejecting certain votes would violate the Constitution.

MORE: Mike Pence subpoenaed by special counsel overseeing Trump probes: Sources
"I told him I thought there was no idea more un-American than the idea that any one person could decide what electoral votes to count," Pence allegedly told Smith's team, echoing what he has said before in his book and other public forums. "I made it very plain to him that it was inconsistent with our history and tradition."

Pence insisted that in America, under the Constitution establishing three co-equal branches of government, election disputes are resolved by courts and elected lawmakers, sources said.

But, the sources said, with the pressure on Pence mounting, he concluded on Christmas Eve -- just for a moment -- that he would follow Trump's suggestion and let someone else preside over the proceedings on Jan. 6, writing in his notes that doing otherwise would be "too hurtful to my friend."

"Not feeling like I should attend electoral count," Pence wrote in his notes in late December. "Too many questions, too many doubts, too hurtful to my friend. Therefore I'm not going to participate in certification of election."

Then, sitting across the table from his son, a Marine, while on vacation in Colorado, his son said to him, "Dad, you took the same oath I took" -- it was "an oath to support and defend the Constitution," Pence recalled to Smith's investigators, sources said.

That's when Pence decided he would be at the Capitol on Jan. 6 after all, according to the sources.

The indictment alleges Crosby and Judd conspired to delay Cochise county’s vote canvass and knowingly interfered with the secretary of state’s ability to complete a statewide vote canvass on time.

The two supervisors have repeatedly pushed false election claims and sought a hand count of all ballots, later deemed illegal.

Earlier this year Democratic attorney general of Arizona, Kris Mayes, vowed to prosecute over election interference issues in the swing state, which has seen all manner of election denialism since the 2020 election.

“The repeated attempts to undermine our democracy are unacceptable,” Mayes said in a statement. “I took an oath to uphold the rule of law, and my office will continue to enforce Arizona’s elections laws and support our election officials as they carry out the duties and responsibilities of their offices.”

A New York appellate court on Thursday reinstated a gag order that barred former U.S. President Donald Trump and his lawyers from making public statements about court staff in an ongoing civil fraud trial case, court records showed.

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:11 pm Pro tip for MAGA.

When a state Supreme Court rules against your candidacy based on the 14th amendment, reacting with calls for civil war is not a good look.

SeattleGriz wrote:

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:11 pm Pro tip for MAGA.

When a state Supreme Court rules against your candidacy based on the 14th amendment, reacting with calls for civil war is not a good look.

There you go again. " It isn't a good look". Just can't help yourself moralizing Klam

Have we had a civil war, or are you just being a highly sensitive moralizing butthole?

My money is on the butthole part.

BDKJMU wrote:Lol a democrat state supreme court interfering in a federal election, convicted of no crime yet, going to be overturned by SCOTUS..

UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:36 pm

SeattleGriz wrote:
There you go again. " It isn't a good look". Just can't help yourself moralizing Klam

Have we had a civil war, or are you just being a highly sensitive moralizing butthole?

My money is on the butthole part.

Stop fantasizing about kalm’s butthole.


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SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:01 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:11 pm Pro tip for MAGA.

When a state Supreme Court rules against your candidacy based on the 14th amendment, reacting with calls for civil war is not a good look.

There you go again. " It isn't a good look". Just can't help yourself moralizing Klam

Have we had a civil war, or are you just being a highly sensitive moralizing butthole?

My money is on the butthole part.

Pwns wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:38 am Pro tip for resistlibs

When you claim to be the pro democracy side trying to disqualify someone from running because you think he's a doodoohead is a bad look.

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:11 pm Pro tip for MAGA.

When a state Supreme Court rules against your candidacy based on the 14th amendment, reacting with calls for civil war is not a good look.

Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:28 am

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:11 pm Pro tip for MAGA.

When a state Supreme Court rules against your candidacy based on the 14th amendment, reacting with calls for civil war is not a good look.

So you support banana republic tactics. Welcome to Puerto Rico my friend. I’m already here enjoying the palm trees and the Playa because if you’re gonna live in a banana Republic, you need to have a good things that come with it.

kalm wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:46 am

Pwns wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:38 am Pro tip for resistlibs

When you claim to be the pro democracy side trying to disqualify someone from running because you think he's a doodoohead is a bad look.

So you disagree with the 14th Amendment and due process?

GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:28 am

kalm wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:46 am

So you disagree with the 14th Amendment and due process?

The irony is that the decision by the Colorado Supreme Court flies in the face of actual due process. There was no due process here - folks used a rather limited Colorado electoral code law and stretched it to get their desired outcome. And even further ironic, they had a state use the 14th amendment to assume a power that had never been ceded by the federal government. Considering the 14th amendment has historically been seen as the amendment that further asserted federal power over the states, having a state turn that on its head is almost the definition of irony.

At this point, it's not a question of if the SCOTUS will overturn this, they most assuredly will. The question is whether they do it with a unanimous court or if there is any judge who'll dissent. Heck, the Colorado court was entirely democrats and they split 4-3 on this. Getting Trump off the ballot would be a fantastic outcome for America (heck, you could argue that once Trump is off the ballot, the Dems would enact plan B and replace Biden with an actual, lucid candidate), but we can't just wish him off the ballot with such a mediocre attempt at a judicial path to do so.

kalm wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:46 am

Pwns wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:38 am Pro tip for resistlibs

When you claim to be the pro democracy side trying to disqualify someone from running because you think he's a doodoohead is a bad look.

So you disagree with the 14th Amendment and due process?

kalm wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:45 am

GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:28 am

The irony is that the decision by the Colorado Supreme Court flies in the face of actual due process. There was no due process here - folks used a rather limited Colorado electoral code law and stretched it to get their desired outcome. And even further ironic, they had a state use the 14th amendment to assume a power that had never been ceded by the federal government. Considering the 14th amendment has historically been seen as the amendment that further asserted federal power over the states, having a state turn that on its head is almost the definition of irony.

At this point, it's not a question of if the SCOTUS will overturn this, they most assuredly will. The question is whether they do it with a unanimous court or if there is any judge who'll dissent. Heck, the Colorado court was entirely democrats and they split 4-3 on this. Getting Trump off the ballot would be a fantastic outcome for America (heck, you could argue that once Trump is off the ballot, the Dems would enact plan B and replace Biden with an actual, lucid candidate), but we can't just wish him off the ballot with such a mediocre attempt at a judicial path to do so.

The 3 dissenting opinions were procedural regarding Colorado Law. SCOTUS won’t consider them. In essence it was a 7-0 decision.

Due process protects the rights of the accused as well as the state.

If Trump wants his insurrection innocence proven in a court of law he shouldn’t be continuously delaying all cases. The fact he’s arguing for immunity is hilarious.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:14 am

kalm wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:45 am

The 3 dissenting opinions were procedural regarding Colorado Law. SCOTUS won’t consider them. In essence it was a 7-0 decision.

Due process protects the rights of the accused as well as the state.

If Trump wants his insurrection innocence proven in a court of law he shouldn’t be continuously delaying all cases. The fact he’s arguing for immunity is hilarious.

Newsflash- in America we have this thing called innoncent until proven guilty. Its not guilty until proven innocent.