Another Reason Why Snowden is a Hero

[Pwns]

I don't care whose meme it is and I don't have any links. All I can share is personal experience as a school board member. The feds just mess everything up. Our school receives about $160,000 a year from the Dept of Ed. Our school has a $12 million budget.

NCLB isn't all bad but it is the typical federal problem - one size fits all mandate across all 50 states. And it lacks some common sense on certain things.

So how has it harmed education on a national level? Why should it be abolished?

Why do you think No Child Left Behind persists when it is universally reviled by conks, donks, states, school systems, teacher's unions, teachers, principals, and parents?

Why do you think the federal government pushes with federal pre-K expansions when studies show the benefits of pre-K disappear by second grade?

I know what the kalm answer to that question would be, and you would be correct.

So my question for you is, what's so bad about having less control for the federal government and more state and local control? The amount of money that is spent on the DoE isn't as much of an issue to me as the centralization of control, which makes education policy more suceptible to control from big-money special interests.

[kalm]

So how has it harmed education on a national level? Why should it be abolished?

Why do you think No Child Left Behind persists when it is universally reviled by conks, donks, states, school systems, teacher's unions, teachers, principals, and parents?

Why do you think the federal government pushes with federal pre-K expansions when studies show the benefits of pre-K disappear by second grade?

I know what the kalm answer to that question would be, and you would be correct.

So my question for you is, what's so bad about having less control for the federal government and more state and local control? The amount of money that is spent on the DoE isn't as much of an issue to me as the centralization of control, which makes education policy more suceptible to control from big-money special interests.

Great answer.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

The defense budget isn't about what we don't need, its about welfare.

I know this ^ and you know this...
But how can you explain it to them who think it's about "delivering the world Democracy and Freedom and the America Way with Liberty and Justice for all..?

The Defense Budget is about a few things (specifically) and Welfare is a huge part of that

"Welfare" of our country................

[Chizzang]

I know this ^ and you know this...
But how can you explain it to them who think it's about "delivering the world Democracy and Freedom and the America Way with Liberty and Justice for all..?

The Defense Budget is about a few things (specifically) and Welfare is a huge part of that

"Welfare" of our country................

Sure to a degree
But we build sh!t to store it in hangars and never to be used / and there are HUNDREDS of cases where we had built in excess of 10 times (and 20 times) what was actually needed

We do that because it keeps our Defense contractors busy and highly over employed
It's JUST LIKE welfare in that it is money knowingly thrown away to keep things moving forward - for what its worth and lack of a better way to say that...

Our myriad of Defense contractors - quite simply put - are on the worlds largest Welfare program

Is it all bad - no obviously it isn't - but have we created the Military Industrial complex - Yes we have
and Welfare is the proper descriptive word for all intents and purposes here

[kalm]

"Welfare" of our country................

Sure to a degree
But we build sh!t to store it in hangars and never to be used / and there are HUNDREDS of cases where we had built in excess of 10 times (and 20 times) what was actually needed

We do that because it keeps our Defense contractors busy and highly over employed
It's JUST LIKE welfare in that it is money knowingly thrown away to keep things moving forward - for what its worth and lack of a better way to say that...

Our myriad of Defense contractors - quite simply put - are on the worlds largest Welfare program

Is it all bad - no obviously it isn't - but have we created the Military Industrial complex - Yes we have
and Welfare is the proper descriptive word for all intents and purposes here

Similar to health insurance and prisons.

Let's privatize education too!

[YoUDeeMan]

Who in the hell believes THAT?

Hilary Clinton, William Kristol, Peter King, John McCain, Blue Dog Dems...to name a few.

Fantastic...they should be in support of Crimea's democratic vote to be part of Russia.

[CID1990]

You know, if I had some kind of guarantee that government would actually NOT do stupid things with the savings, then I would be all for shutting off the DoD spigot along with several other heads of the hydra.

But for me, the problem is that I have zero faith in Congress to be good stewards of the national treasure. We'd stop spending in one area, only to outlay the money somewhere else to something dumb come budget time, and all the while Social Security would continue the slow burn death.

Cleetzang says that the most amazing thing is that our country cannot function on what? How many trillion dollars a year? We could cut DoD by 75% and drop 50% of all of the executive branch bureaucracies and we'd still be raising the debt ceiling because Congress will have immediately found ways to waste the money.

At least with the current spending, we actually know where the money is going (for the most part). The retard pothead liberal journalists I depend on for my investigative reporting would probably never find the money again if it was diverted away from DoD and DoE.

[houndawg]

What's ridiculous is the suggestion that voter fraud is the real reason that republicans want to see an ID to vote. It really is John, and truth be known you are probably a bit embarrassed about acting as if you believe it.

Your comment about the right to bear arms also fails since it only applies to US citizens. How are you going to prove you're a citizen without a photo ID?

Where can you buy a gun without photo ID?

(other than out of a car trunk on the street, of course)

?

Private sale, which are about 40% of sales I think, but the point I was making is that the same crowd that thinks showing a picture ID to vote is protecting civil rights also thinks that showing a picture ID to buy a gun an assault on civil rights.

[CID1990]

Where can you buy a gun without photo ID?

(other than out of a car trunk on the street, of course)

?

Private sale, which are about 40% of sales I think, but the point I was making is that the same crowd that thinks showing a picture ID to vote is protecting civil rights also thinks that showing a picture ID to buy a gun an assault on civil rights.

I don't. Neither do a lot of my gun totin' friends, either. We don't think there's anything inappropriate about having a background check to show you arent a nut before you buy a gun, and the first step in doing that is to show an ID that confirms you are who you say you are.

That said, I don't blame the gun rights crowd for being somewhat skeptical of the gun grabbers. One need look no further than NY or CONN to see that sometimes the tinfoil hat crowd can be right.

[Chizzang]

You know, if I had some kind of guarantee that government would actually NOT do stupid things with the savings, then I would be all for shutting off the DoD spigot along with several other heads of the hydra.

But for me, the problem is that I have zero faith in Congress to be good stewards of the national treasure. We'd stop spending in one area, only to outlay the money somewhere else to something dumb come budget time, and all the while Social Security would continue the slow burn death.

Cleetzang says that the most amazing thing is that our country cannot function on what? How many trillion dollars a year? We could cut DoD by 75% and drop 50% of all of the executive branch bureaucracies and we'd still be raising the debt ceiling because Congress will have immediately found ways to waste the money.

At least with the current spending, we actually know where the money is going (for the most part). The retard pothead liberal journalists I depend on for my investigative reporting would probably never find the money again if it was diverted away from DoD and DoE.

Amazing isn't it...
I would give you a big hug right now but Alphagriz would call me a fag

[AZGrizFan]

Private sale, which are about 40% of sales I think, but the point I was making is that the same crowd that thinks showing a picture ID to vote is protecting civil rights also thinks that showing a picture ID to buy a gun an assault on civil rights.

I don't. Neither do a lot of my gun totin' friends, either. We don't think there's anything inappropriate about having a background check to show you arent a nut before you buy a gun, and the first step in doing that is to show an ID that confirms you are who you say you are.

That said, I don't blame the gun rights crowd for being somewhat skeptical of the gun grabbers. One need look no further than NY or CONN to see that sometimes the tinfoil hat crowd can be right.

It's not the SHOWING of the ID I have a problem with. It's what they DO with the info gathered during the background check. I'd gladly SHOW my ID to purchase a gun through a gun store....but since I can't trust the authorities with that info and that they won't show up with the black suburbans in the middle of the night to shake me down I'll purchase my guns the old fashioned way....on the street corner.

[CitadelGrad]

If our government worked properly, we'd pay more taxes to our states than the federal government. The constitutional powers of the federal government are very limited and therefore, should be less expensive to fund. The real power is supposed to lie with the states.

[houndawg]

If our government worked properly, we'd pay more taxes to our states than the federal government. The constitutional powers of the federal government are very limited and therefore, should be less expensive to fund. The real power is supposed to lie with the states.

The red states would be broke in a week without their federal handouts provided by the hard working folk of the blue states.

[JohnStOnge]

The red states would be broke in a week without their federal handouts provided by the hard working folk of the blue states.

Take away the Federal mandates and programs associated with policies the people in the blue States tend to support by virtue of the way they vote and I am more than willing to take that chance.

[JohnStOnge]

If our government worked properly, we'd pay more taxes to our states than the federal government. The constitutional powers of the federal government are very limited and therefore, should be less expensive to fund. The real power is supposed to lie with the states.

And by the way those statements by CitadelGrad are absolutely correct. The power of the Federal Government is supposed to be very narrow and specifically defined. It's supposed to be VERY limited.

But that is obviously not the case.

[kalm]

The red states would be broke in a week without their federal handouts provided by the hard working folk of the blue states.

Take away the Federal mandates and programs associated with policies the people in the blue States tend to support by virtue of the way they vote and I am more than willing to take that chance.

Red states are behind with infrastructure, education, and poverty levels even WITH the help of everyone else.

[OL FU]

Take away the Federal mandates and programs associated with policies the people in the blue States tend to support by virtue of the way they vote and I am more than willing to take that chance.

Red states are behind with infrastructure, education, and poverty levels even WITH the help of everyone else.

That's alright cause all the smart rich yankees are moving down here to help us poor dumb southerns out

[kalm]

Red states are behind with infrastructure, education, and poverty levels even WITH the help of everyone else.

That's alright cause all the smart rich yankees are moving down here to help us poor dumb southerns out

I didn't single out southerns as dumb. Just red states in general...

[houndawg]

If our government worked properly, we'd pay more taxes to our states than the federal government. The constitutional powers of the federal government are very limited and therefore, should be less expensive to fund. The real power is supposed to lie with the states.

And by the way those statements by CitadelGrad are absolutely correct. The power of the Federal Government is supposed to be very narrow and specifically defined. It's supposed to be VERY limited.

But that is obviously not the case.

Yes, we're supposed to avoid foreign entanglements and standing armies too, what's your point?

[houndawg]

The red states would be broke in a week without their federal handouts provided by the hard working folk of the blue states.

Take away the Federal mandates and programs associated with policies the people in the blue States tend to support by virtue of the way they vote and I am more than willing to take that chance.

You'd be living in trees if it weren't for your genorous blue-state brothers.

[Pwns]

Take away the Federal mandates and programs associated with policies the people in the blue States tend to support by virtue of the way they vote and I am more than willing to take that chance.

Red states are behind with infrastructure, education, and poverty levels even WITH the help of everyone else.

Remember that conversation we had in JSO's thread about adjusting measures like these for race? Achievement gaps and income gaps even exist even in enlightened, diversity-tolerant blue states like California and New York. So there's no reason to not make adjustments.

[OL FU]

That's alright cause all the smart rich yankees are moving down here to help us poor dumb southerns out

I didn't single out southerns as dumb. Just red states in general...

Hey, I know a southern comment when I hear one

[Baldy]

If our government worked properly, we'd pay more taxes to our states than the federal government. The constitutional powers of the federal government are very limited and therefore, should be less expensive to fund. The real power is supposed to lie with the states.

The red states would be broke in a week without their federal handouts provided by the hard working folk of the blue states.

Yeah? Then why are so many blue states sooooo broke?

[YoUDeeMan]

The red states would be broke in a week without their federal handouts provided by the hard working folk of the blue states.

Yeah? Then why are so many blue states sooooo broke?

It's the deadbeat blue cities that are broke and dragging down the rest of the country. There is a giant sucking sound coming from Philly, Pittsburgh, and the rest of urban PA...they want the rest of red PA to pay for the blue PA's public servant unfunded retirement funds.

[Baldy]

Take away the Federal mandates and programs associated with policies the people in the blue States tend to support by virtue of the way they vote and I am more than willing to take that chance.

Red states are behind with infrastructure, education, and poverty levels even WITH the help of everyone else.

Really? 9 of the 10 worst states as far as infrastructure is concerned are blue states.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/0 ... 42458.html

On the other hand, 7 of the 10 worst as far as education is concerned are, in fact, red states.
http://247wallst.com/special-report/201 ... hools-2/2/

A family of 4 in Mississippi living off $100K a year could be considered rich while the same family of 4 living off the same $100K would be destitute in NYC, so poverty rates are too subjective and regional to even consider.

Time for you and Snoopy to start a new meme.