AOC = Liberal Goddess

[kalm]

FWIW, listen to Abby Martin’s take on Venezuela on the Rogan Podcast. She was on the ground in Venezuela and claims our establishment media has no **** clue what they’re talking about there. No one is a saint but Maduro May not be the spawn of satan he’s cracked up to be and Guardo might be more of a plant to protect multinational interests.

And yes, Martin is admittedly left leaning.

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Who gives a sh!t if Guardo is a plant? We're talking about what Maduro is doing to his own people.

Are you telling me that it's a vast conspiracy that the ICC is being asked to investigate Maduro for crimes against humanity? That 4 million people have fled Venezuela and flooded Columbia, Peru, etc.? Why would CNN, BBC, etc. exaggerate what is going on in Venezuela?

Even if it isn't as bad as the establishment media is making it out to be, do you honestly think the migrants at the border are being treated worse treatment than your average Venezuelan citizen? How can a person of character and integrity in good conscience criticize what is happening at the US border but turn a blind eye to Venezuela?

I don’t really care but I also don’t swallow the establishment media reporting 100% either. Like I’ve said before, there appears to be problems with both sides but Martin’s take is interesting as someone reporting on the ground. Surely you’re cynical enough to want to see different takes on what’s happening? We’ve trumped up accusations before. All of a sudden it’s Kalm who’s suspicious of our government...

[CID1990]

No surprise you find her credible

It’s called confirmation bias


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No surprise you ignored me admitting her possible bias and acknowledging your expertise. Do you struggle with compliments as much as you do open skepticism and opposing points of view? Of course you do!

It’s not as if we don’t have a rich history of doing EXACTLY what she’s claiming in this video.

I take everything with a grain of salt including very smart and knowledgeable people in the foreign service.

You should try it some time.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lJMuqSuuXdA

(Cue CID to play the expertise/you have no clue of the real story card even though I’m all ears... )

She was a full bore 9/11 conspiracy theorist - until she came around

She also has a habit of shilling for her financiers... once it was for Pravda/RT - until she came around

In this instance, Venezuela/Maduro

until she comes around


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[kalm]

Who gives a sh!t if Guardo is a plant? We're talking about what Maduro is doing to his own people.

Are you telling me that it's a vast conspiracy that the ICC is being asked to investigate Maduro for crimes against humanity? That 4 million people have fled Venezuela and flooded Columbia, Peru, etc.? Why would CNN, BBC, etc. exaggerate what is going on in Venezuela?

Even if it isn't as bad as the establishment media is making it out to be, do you honestly think the migrants at the border are being treated worse treatment than your average Venezuelan citizen? How can a person of character and integrity in good conscience criticize what is happening at the US border but turn a blind eye to Venezuela?

88 FTW! Raw Establishment/imperialist passion!

[kalm]

No surprise you ignored me admitting her possible bias and acknowledging your expertise. Do you struggle with compliments as much as you do open skepticism and opposing points of view? Of course you do!

It’s not as if we don’t have a rich history of doing EXACTLY what she’s claiming in this video.

I take everything with a grain of salt including very smart and knowledgeable people in the foreign service.

You should try it some time.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lJMuqSuuXdA

(Cue CID to play the expertise/you have no clue of the real story card even though I’m all ears... )

She was a full bore 9/11 conspiracy theorist - until she came around

She also has a habit of shilling for her financiers... once it was for Pravda/RT - until she came around

In this instance, Venezuela/Maduro

until she comes around


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Fair enough and nice dodge on the rest.

Btw, who funds MSNBC?

[Ivytalk]

She was a full bore 9/11 conspiracy theorist - until she came around

She also has a habit of shilling for her financiers... once it was for Pravda/RT - until she came around

In this instance, Venezuela/Maduro

until she comes around


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Fair enough and nice dodge on the rest.

Btw, who funds MSNBC?

The Koch Brothers?

Glenn Greenwald?

George Soros?

[UNI88]

Who gives a sh!t if Guardo is a plant? We're talking about what Maduro is doing to his own people.

Are you telling me that it's a vast conspiracy that the ICC is being asked to investigate Maduro for crimes against humanity? That 4 million people have fled Venezuela and flooded Columbia, Peru, etc.? Why would CNN, BBC, etc. exaggerate what is going on in Venezuela?

Even if it isn't as bad as the establishment media is making it out to be, do you honestly think the migrants at the border are being treated worse treatment than your average Venezuelan citizen? How can a person of character and integrity in good conscience criticize what is happening at the US border but turn a blind eye to Venezuela?

I don’t really care but I also don’t swallow the establishment media reporting 100% either. Like I’ve said before, there appears to be problems with both sides but Martin’s take is interesting as someone reporting on the ground. Surely you’re cynical enough to want to see different takes on what’s happening? We’ve trumped up accusations before. All of a sudden it’s Kalm who’s suspicious of our government...

Last I heard, AOC was a part of our government so yes I'm suspicious of our government. I like pointing out the hypocrisy of politicians who criticize the opposition but go blind, deaf and dumb when it comes to similar and worse actions by leaders at the same end of the spectrum. Conks and Donks both do it.

Honestly though, I set this bait hoping to snag Trip or Jelly into some ethical gymnastics as they attempted to show how AOC wasn't a hypocritical buffoon (just like Trump). Can you type something interesting? Maybe you can be the bluegill that takes the worm but attracts the muskie.

[CID1990]

She was a full bore 9/11 conspiracy theorist - until she came around

She also has a habit of shilling for her financiers... once it was for Pravda/RT - until she came around

In this instance, Venezuela/Maduro

until she comes around


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Fair enough and nice dodge on the rest.

Btw, who funds MSNBC?

Me refusing to be baited into one of your brick wall debates is hardly a dodge.

The mainstream media is getting Maduro and conditions in Venezuela mostly right- and if anything they are understating the situation


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[Pwns]

I'm going to need more than the word of a Russia Today reporter, sorry. Are there any major media outlets in the Western Hemisphere outside of Venezuelan state TV that will contradict what Amnesty International and other watchdog organizations are saying?

[CID1990]

I'm going to need more than the word of a Russia Today reporter, sorry. Are there any major media outlets in the Western Hemisphere outside of Venezuelan state TV that will contradict what Amnesty International and other watchdog organizations are saying?

No no no

You must consider klam’s alternative viewpoint from a notorious conspiracy theorist

I bet she can see Venezuela from her house

[kalm]

I'm going to need more than the word of a Russia Today reporter, sorry. Are there any major media outlets in the Western Hemisphere outside of Venezuelan state TV that will contradict what Amnesty International and other watchdog organizations are saying?

No no no

You must consider klam’s alternative viewpoint from a notorious conspiracy theorist

I bet she can see Venezuela from her house

Non mainstream is SCARY!!!

[UNI88]

I'm going to need more than the word of a Russia Today reporter, sorry. Are there any major media outlets in the Western Hemisphere outside of Venezuelan state TV that will contradict what Amnesty International and other watchdog organizations are saying?

What's the world coming to when liberals are tripping over themselves to refute what Amnesty International is reporting?

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[UNI88]

Have we talked about AOC and Ivanka?

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[Ibanez]

FWIW, listen to Abby Martin’s take on Venezuela on the Rogan Podcast. She was on the ground in Venezuela and claims our establishment media has no **** clue what they’re talking about there. No one is a saint but Maduro May not be the spawn of satan he’s cracked up to be and Guardo might be more of a plant to protect multinational interests.

And yes, Martin is admittedly left leaning.

as CID loads up for bear...

Who gives a sh!t if Guardo is a plant? We're talking about what Maduro is doing to his own people.

Are you telling me that it's a vast conspiracy that the ICC is being asked to investigate Maduro for crimes against humanity? That 4 million people have fled Venezuela and flooded Columbia, Peru, etc.? Why would CNN, BBC, etc. exaggerate what is going on in Venezuela?

Even if it isn't as bad as the establishment media is making it out to be, do you honestly think the migrants at the border are being treated worse treatment than your average Venezuelan citizen? How can a person of character and integrity in good conscience criticize what is happening at the US border but turn a blind eye to Venezuela?

I already answered this. It's selective outrage.

It would also require AOC to openly admonish a socialist country. We all know socialist countries are Utopias that get a bad rap.

[kalm]

I'm going to need more than the word of a Russia Today reporter, sorry. Are there any major media outlets in the Western Hemisphere outside of Venezuelan state TV that will contradict what Amnesty International and other watchdog organizations are saying?

What's the world coming to when liberals are tripping over themselves to refute what Amnesty International is reporting?

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Amnesty International is so 80’s. Bunch of capitalist hating pinko commie hippies just like the UN, Bono, and the WTO protesters.

[Pwns]

Amnesty International is so 80’s. Bunch of capitalist hating pinko commie hippies just like the UN, Bono, and the WTO protesters.

So you're telling me they've got no reason to make up lies about the Maduro dictatorship, then?

[Ivytalk]

Have we talked about AOC and Ivanka?

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In a threesome?

[Ibanez]

Have we talked about AOC and Ivanka?

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In a threesome?

I’d hit it


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[UNI88]

In a threesome?

I’d hit it


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AOC, Ivanka or Ivy?

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[Ivytalk]

In a threesome?

I’d hit it


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*them

[CitadelGrad]

Have we talked about AOC and Ivanka?

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If you could put AOC's tits on Ivanka, you'd have some might tasty poontang.

[UNI88]

I’d hit it


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*them

He might have been talking about you Ivy ...

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[Ivytalk]

*them

He might have been talking about you Ivy ...

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AOC’s boyfriend and Kushner are both putzes. Those ladies could use a real man.

[kalm]

Amnesty International is so 80’s. Bunch of capitalist hating pinko commie hippies just like the UN, Bono, and the WTO protesters.

So you're telling me they've got no reason to make up lies about the Maduro dictatorship, then?

Gawdammit, you made me go read up on Amnesty's report.

Fine...Maduro is a bad dude too. (I think I said that before but maybe not).

[kalm]

He might have been talking about you Ivy ...

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AOC’s boyfriend and Kushner are both putzes. Those ladies could use a real man.

Ivy sandwich!

[CID1990]

No no no

You must consider klam’s alternative viewpoint from a notorious conspiracy theorist

I bet she can see Venezuela from her house

Non mainstream is SCARY!!!

I said exactly nothing about her not being mainstream, klam. That’s a clumsy deflection even for you.

I have implied that she is a conspiracy theory kook. She is only slightly more credible than the Joneses (Van or Alex)


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