Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

[GannonFan]

Question:
At what point can Trump get nailed for breaking the campaign finance laws with regard to Stormy Daniels? This seems like and easy "if - then" scenario but not sure if it is from a legal standpoint. Wouldn't it be hard to prove that it was to protect the "campaign"? Couldn't Trump just say it was to protect his marriage? Or to protect someone else, like a person who set up the encounter? Unless they have Trump on tape saying it was to protect the campaign, it seems like he could wiggle out of this.

This is the best article I’ve seen to date on this particular topic, as well as Mueller’s sham investigation as a whole. Written by Democrat Mark Penn, adviser to Bill Clinton during his impeachment:

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/ ... t-up-trump

Sounds like Trump has no real worries once all the dust and MSM theatrics settle.

That's the issue here - so far, they haven't shown that Trump did anything illegal. Immoral? Sure, but who thought Trump was a paragon of morality prior to this? Surrounded by some folks who are breaking the laws, especially tax laws? Sure, but Trump has been operating in the gray areas of the law for years, and famously didn't release his own tax returns, so who didn't already know this?

Heck, at this point, if he wanted to, Trump could just refer to anything related to Stormy Daniels or the National Enquirer story as "just about sex" and resurrect Clinton's successful defense in the '90's.

They have to get him on something related to Russia and Russia interfering illegally in the election at Trump's knowledge or green-lighting of it. If they don't get that, then he just comes out of this stronger and we look at another four years. If Democrats reel in the House in November, the pressure to impeach will be almost impossible to resist, and since the Senate's not removing him on the evidence we have today then he gets to run with that feather in his cap in 2020. It's Russian-conspiracy or bust here - still a ways to go for that.

[SeattleGriz]

Jordan Schatchtel added: Lanny Davis is co-founder and partner of the law firm of Davis Goldberg & Galper. I just checked FARA records. His firm is a registered *ACTIVE* foreign agent for Ukrainian oligarch Dmytro Firtash, who is a close ally of Russian pres Vladimir Putin.

Not that the above matters, just shows all these guys walk in the same circles.

[JohnStOnge]

Nothing burger , Trump just needs to say he paid the skank off so his family wouldn’t know.


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So you're saying he needs to lie again?

[JohnStOnge]

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They have to get him on something related to Russia and Russia interfering illegally in the election at Trump's knowledge or green-lighting of it. If they don't get that, then he just comes out of this stronger and we look at another four years. .

I don't think that's true. I think there are probably all sorts of skeletons in Trump's closet And I don't think the skeleton that gets him has to be related to Russia. The thing is that people are digging. And they're digging into a rich environment. The guy is a sleazy, thoroughly dishonest, totally corrupt individual. And he's been a sleazy, thoroughly dishonest, corrupt individual for decades.

[houndawg]

This is the best article I’ve seen to date on this particular topic, as well as Mueller’s sham investigation as a whole. Written by Democrat Mark Penn, adviser to Bill Clinton during his impeachment:

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/ ... t-up-trump

Sounds like Trump has no real worries once all the dust and MSM theatrics settle.

That's the issue here - so far, they haven't shown that Trump did anything illegal. Immoral? Sure, but who thought Trump was a paragon of morality prior to this? Surrounded by some folks who are breaking the laws, especially tax laws? Sure, but Trump has been operating in the gray areas of the law for years, and famously didn't release his own tax returns, so who didn't already know this?

Heck, at this point, if he wanted to, Trump could just refer to anything related to Stormy Daniels or the National Enquirer story as "just about sex" and resurrect Clinton's successful defense in the '90's.

They have to get him on something related to Russia and Russia interfering illegally in the election at Trump's knowledge or green-lighting of it. If they don't get that, then he just comes out of this stronger and we look at another four years. If Democrats reel in the House in November, the pressure to impeach will be almost impossible to resist, and since the Senate's not removing him on the evidence we have today then he gets to run with that feather in his cap in 2020. It's Russian-conspiracy or bust here - still a ways to go for that.

assuming you don't lose the Senate too... Turd Cruz is fucked without some deus ex voting machina

[SeattleGriz]

In response to StOnge

Does anyone who voted for Trump give two shit's about what he did long before he was President? Not really. It's not like it was secret information.

For a guy that's such a turd, he sure is kicking ass. What does that say about our politics? A doofus is kicking ass. That's what is sad.

[SeattleGriz]

Ha. Farging phone.

[Skjellyfetti]

October 27, 2016 was long before he was President?

Who gives a shit about the affair except some consistent social conservatives?

We're just trying to enforce the laws on the books.

[css75]

October 27, 2016 was long before he was President?

Who gives a **** about the affair except some consistent social conservatives?

We're just trying to enforce the laws on the books.

What law? He paid her ass off so she wouldn’t tell his wife and family, no political connection at all.


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[Skjellyfetti]

Not according to the indictment filed yesterday in court.

[css75]

Not according to the indictment filed yesterday in court.

It is going nowhere, you might want to hold back your orgasm.


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[Ibanez]

October 27, 2016 was long before he was President?

Who gives a shit about the affair except some consistent social conservatives?

We're just trying to enforce the laws on the books.

I think he was referring to the acts of adultery and not the hush money payoffs


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[SeattleGriz]

October 27, 2016 was long before he was President?

Who gives a shit about the affair except some consistent social conservatives?

We're just trying to enforce the laws on the books.

You know the point dude. The part of America that mattered in the election was tired of the usual DC bullshit. Trump was the thumb in the eye to a government that has hovered below 20% favoribility for years.

America wants a change. The Left brings someone forward who won't toe the line (ha! I r smart. I learn) and they might get elected too.

[kalm]

Nothing burger , Trump just needs to say he paid the skank off so his family wouldn’t know.


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That’s exactly what Jesus would have said...

[Skjellyfetti]

The moral teachings of Jesus are just filler in the Bible. The important thing is that you take the creation story literally.

[css75]

Nothing burger , Trump just needs to say he paid the skank off so his family wouldn’t know.


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That’s exactly what Jesus would have said...

Don’t think so, but Trump is not Jesus.


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[BDKJMU]

Still a nothing burger as there is still zip, nada, null, zero on collusion, which is why this sham was set up in the first place.

Yep, someone wake me up when Mueller has something concrete against Trump on collusion with the Russians.

[BDKJMU]

Lordy.....

POTUS implicated in a crime by his own longtime lawyer

*Breaking News*

The deplorables don't give a ****. They'll brush off a co-conspiracy felony just like they brushed off Trump's sexual assaults, cheating people out of money, defrauding students, entertaining the Russians for dirt, etc.

Their God-king can do no wrong. And the GOP won't do anything.

As long as they're #winning, they'll continue living in their fantasy world.

Just like the left brushed off Clinton's sexual assaults..

[BDKJMU]

The guy is a completely corrupt crook. I await the day when my conservative brethren come to grips with that fact. I mean, it should have been obvious to you like years ago. But better late than never.

Like you're a conservative..lawl..

[BDKJMU]

We came to grips with it in the 1980s.

He ran against somebody who was even worse.

/story

What about the primary against 16 other candidates, some who were reasonable?

And which Democrat would conservatives vote for? Because I think the answer is none. The GOP has shifted so far right in recent years that even moderate policies are painted as socialist, liberal, and unpatriotic.

Joe Manchin
Jim Webb

[css75]

What about the primary against 16 other candidates, some who were reasonable?

And which Democrat would conservatives vote for? Because I think the answer is none. The GOP has shifted so far right in recent years that even moderate policies are painted as socialist, liberal, and unpatriotic.

Joe Manchin
Jim Webb

Possibly Webb, Manchin talks a good game, but look at his voting record.


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[BDKJMU]

Delusional.

It is pathetic how far down the rabbit hole from Reality you Cult 45er's are now.


And yes, that includes ANYONE that doesn't think Trump should be impeached.

What has been proven that is impeachable. Also, even if he is impeached, Pence will continue his work.


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Nothing. There has been no crime that has been shown that Trump committed.

Even if Trump is impeached, there won't be a POTUS Pence. Impeaching a president doesn't remove him from office. Even
-If the donks gain control of the House
-And If they then decide to conduct impeachment proceedings
-And If they then get the 218 votes to impeach

There is little to no chance the donks gain control of the Senate, and there is little to no chance a conk controlled Senate will vote to convict.

[css75]

What has been proven that is impeachable. Also, even if he is impeached, Pence will continue his work.


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Nothing. There has been no crime that has been shown that Trump committed.

Even if Trump is impeached, there won't be a POTUS Pence. Impeaching a president doesn't remove him from office. Even
-If the donks gain control of the House
-And If they then decide to conduct impeachment proceedings
-And If they then get the 218 votes to impeach

There is little to no chance the donks gain control of the Senate, and there is little to no chance a conk controlled Senate will vote to convict.

So Dback should relax that he is safe from Mike Pence.


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[GannonFan]

That's the issue here - so far, they haven't shown that Trump did anything illegal. Immoral? Sure, but who thought Trump was a paragon of morality prior to this? Surrounded by some folks who are breaking the laws, especially tax laws? Sure, but Trump has been operating in the gray areas of the law for years, and famously didn't release his own tax returns, so who didn't already know this?

Heck, at this point, if he wanted to, Trump could just refer to anything related to Stormy Daniels or the National Enquirer story as "just about sex" and resurrect Clinton's successful defense in the '90's.

They have to get him on something related to Russia and Russia interfering illegally in the election at Trump's knowledge or green-lighting of it. If they don't get that, then he just comes out of this stronger and we look at another four years. If Democrats reel in the House in November, the pressure to impeach will be almost impossible to resist, and since the Senate's not removing him on the evidence we have today then he gets to run with that feather in his cap in 2020. It's Russian-conspiracy or bust here - still a ways to go for that.

assuming you don't lose the Senate too... Turd Boobs is **** without some deus ex voting machina

It takes a 2/3 vote in the Senate to remove a President following an impeachment. Not just a Senate rule, a Constitutional detail. Democrats could win the Senate but gaining a 2/3 majority is impossible right now. Only way Trump is removed from office is if Republicans think setting Pence up as a sure thing in 2020 would be the outcome.

[SDHornet]

And what impeachable offense would that be? Breaking campaign finance rules?
Obomba's campaign broke the rules, paid a nearly $400k fine and moved along as if nothing happened. Why would this be any different?

FEC rules are different from federal campaign finance law.

For one you get indicted on federal charges by DOJ. For the other you get fined by the FEC. Slight difference.

Trump's campaign broke FEC rules, was fined $1.3 million and moved on like nothing happened.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html

Sounds like you didn't get the memo...the DOJ memo about how they won't indict a sitting President.

https://www.justice.gov/olc/opinion/sit ... rosecution

Talk about uninformed blathering.

Nice little interview with the author of said memo. Best to keep hanging your hat on the Russian collusion angle.

https://www.justsecurity.org/56398/kmie ... inal-case/