Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

[YoUDeeMan]

I'm curious when this greatness was. Please tell me what decade Trump wants to return to. When women couldn't vote? When blacks couldn't?

I love how pundits always want to use extreme examples like their desired candidate wouldn't fall victim to the same tactics.

Here's an idea, how about 1996-2000 when the economy was rolling along, there was actual bipartisanship for the good of the country and the National debt was going DOWN and we had a annual budget surplus?


How about we go back to those days?


But no, please continue the bullshit rhetoric that Trump wants to take America back to slavery times and before women's sufferage

Gotta love partisan hacks, politics wouldn't be as fun without their idiocy for comedic purposes.


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DSU...the first beer on June 3rd is on me.

THANK you for being an intelligent, independent thinker. You are Black, and you see through the divisive Hillary b.s.

Too bad Trip and Vidav are falling for the buffoonery and rhetoric of Hillary and her campaign staff. They used a couple sound bites and got the low information voters to froth at the mouth and think they are leading some noble cause, while Hillary laughs all the way to the bank (with her White, wealthy banker friends and her oh-so-tolerant Saudi financial backers).

It is almost too comical, and tragic, to believe people are actually rallying around a person who is using every single divisive card in the playbook.

Some people are just dumb as a brick.

[YoUDeeMan]

That's what happens when you embrace free markets on a global scale. Why do you hate capitalism?

Cripes...do you really think that the, "free market" is being played out?

Hint: do you think there are any government incentives being given to mega-corporations across the globe?






Just checking.

[Grizalltheway]

That's what happens when you embrace free markets on a global scale. Why do you hate capitalism?

Cripes...do you really think that the, "free market" is being played out?

Hint: do you think there are any government incentives being given to mega-corporations across the globe?






Just checking.

What is Trump going to do to stop that, and more generally, to bring jobs back from overseas? Force American companies to hire more expensive American workers? Or maybe allow them to pay low wages equivalent to what they might pay in SE Asia?

[kalm]

That's what happens when you embrace free markets on a global scale. Why do you hate capitalism?

Cripes...do you really think that the, "free market" is being played out?

Hint: do you think there are any government incentives being given to mega-corporations across the globe?






Just checking.

I think he was applying nuanced, satirical, satire there.

Nice job, WTAG!

[∞∞∞]

I love how pundits always want to use extreme examples like their desired candidate wouldn't fall victim to the same tactics.

Here's an idea, how about 1996-2000 when the economy was rolling along, there was actual bipartisanship for the good of the country and the National debt was going DOWN and we had a annual budget surplus?


How about we go back to those days?


But no, please continue the bullshit rhetoric that Trump wants to take America back to slavery times and before women's sufferage

Gotta love partisan hacks, politics wouldn't be as fun without their idiocy for comedic purposes.


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DSU...the first beer on June 3rd is on me.

THANK you for being an intelligent, independent thinker. You are Black, and you see through the divisive Hillary b.s.

Too bad Trip and Vidav are falling for the buffoonery and rhetoric of Hillary and her campaign staff. They used a couple sound bites and got the low information voters to froth at the mouth and think they are leading some noble cause, while Hillary laughs all the way to the bank (with her White, wealthy banker friends and her oh-so-tolerant Saudi financial backers).

It is almost too comical, and tragic, to believe people are actually rallying around a person who is using every single divisive card in the playbook.

Some people are just dumb as a brick.

Man, you get way too worked up regarding who people vote for. I don't agree with Clinton in everything and understand she has baggage, but her viewpoints certainly align more with mine than Trump's.

If you can convince me why I should vote for Trump ("At least he's not pantsuits" isn't an answer), I'd obviously consider him. But I'm also not forgetting all stuff he's said so far up to this point.

ps. I don't hate Wall Street; I think they're completely vital to the US (and global) economy.

[Pwns]

Hillary by at least 10 points...she will win every state Obama won in 2008 and then one or two more. It's going to be the biggest shellacking of a presidential election since Reagan and Mondale. Thanks, Trump voters.

So she wins back Indiana and North Carolina and she holds on to Ohio and Florida and then somehow wins some other red states? Come on, that's just silly. CNN last night was going on and on about how Trump is a serious threat to win a bunch of rust belt states (Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and Iowa) and how he's a legit threat to turn some blue states red, which really no other GOP candidate could've done. His being a social moderate in many ways is going to leave behind a lot of baggage that has got in the way of previous GOP candidates. Moving past the social arch-conservatism the party has trended to in previous years is going to make a lot more places competitive. Besides, when was the last time an election was held with two people who have such high negatives? Anything's possible in this one as a result.

Yes I think it will happen.

1. The Real Clear Politics polls consistently show Clinton with an edge hovering just below 10 points.

2. Trump is very much a complete amateur politician and has a tendency to choke on his own foot. He's a boorish, attention-craving doofus while Clinton is a shrewd politician. He will be spending the debates talking about how he didn't really say ban all Muslims or that he didn't really say Mexico is sending rapists over the border. He's going to be playing defense for most of the campaign and won't be able to get many punches in on teflon Hillary.

3. Trump has a very high unfavorability among Republicans. Some of the Bernie voters might stay home, but not as much as Republican voters.

4. Trump will energize HIspanic voters (who are already registering in high numbers). This will put some states like Arizona and maybe even Georgia in play and will make some of the swing states impossible to win.

This election has "bloodbath" written all over it.

[Pwns]

What greatness does Trump want to return to?

That era after WWII with all the manufacturing was awesome. Of course we aren't going to return there with the status quo or just by blowing up trade deals, so I don't see any politician in sight who will really get us back there.

[kalm]

Cripes...do you really think that the, "free market" is being played out?

Hint: do you think there are any government incentives being given to mega-corporations across the globe?






Just checking.

What is Trump going to do to stop that, and more generally, to bring jobs back from overseas? Force American companies to hire more expensive American workers? Or maybe allow them to pay low wages equivalent to what they might pay in SE Asia?

47 million Americans are on food stamps. We spend $76 billion on that program alone. We spend $76 billion so that poor people can afford cheap goods at Walmart. Isn't free trade wonderful?

Clinton and her supporters love this. We have no choice in the matter. It's the way the world is.

Trump will kick China in the nuts. Haven't you been listening?

[CAA Flagship]

DSU...the first beer on June 3rd is on me.

THANK you for being an intelligent, independent thinker. You are Black, and you see through the divisive Hillary b.s.

Too bad Trip and Vidav are falling for the buffoonery and rhetoric of Hillary and her campaign staff. They used a couple sound bites and got the low information voters to froth at the mouth and think they are leading some noble cause, while Hillary laughs all the way to the bank (with her White, wealthy banker friends and her oh-so-tolerant Saudi financial backers).

It is almost too comical, and tragic, to believe people are actually rallying around a person who is using every single divisive card in the playbook.

Some people are just dumb as a brick.

Man, you get way too worked up regarding who people vote for. I don't agree with Clinton in everything and understand she has baggage, but her viewpoints certainly align more with mine than Trump's.

If you can convince me why I should vote for Trump ("At least he's not pantsuits" isn't an answer), I'd obviously consider him. But I'm also not forgetting all stuff he's said so far up to this point.

ps. I don't hate Wall Street; I think they're completely vital to the US (and global) economy.

Trip,
Let's face it, not a whole lot can be done without cooperation from Congress. So if we assume that the Conks will control Congress for the next two years, let's just look into that window. So what do you like about Clinton's viewpoints, vs. Trump's, that has any shot of being accomplished over the next two years?

[GannonFan]

So she wins back Indiana and North Carolina and she holds on to Ohio and Florida and then somehow wins some other red states? Come on, that's just silly. CNN last night was going on and on about how Trump is a serious threat to win a bunch of rust belt states (Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and Iowa) and how he's a legit threat to turn some blue states red, which really no other GOP candidate could've done. His being a social moderate in many ways is going to leave behind a lot of baggage that has got in the way of previous GOP candidates. Moving past the social arch-conservatism the party has trended to in previous years is going to make a lot more places competitive. Besides, when was the last time an election was held with two people who have such high negatives? Anything's possible in this one as a result.

Yes I think it will happen.

1. The Real Clear Politics polls consistently show Clinton with an edge hovering just below 10 points.

2. Trump is very much a complete amateur politician and has a tendency to choke on his own foot. He's a boorish, attention-craving doofus while Clinton is a shrewd politician. He will be spending the debates talking about how he didn't really say ban all Muslims or that he didn't really say Mexico is sending rapists over the border. He's going to be playing defense for most of the campaign and won't be able to get many punches in on teflon Hillary.

3. Trump has a very high unfavorability among Republicans. Some of the Bernie voters might stay home, but not as much as Republican voters.

4. Trump will energize HIspanic voters (who are already registering in high numbers). This will put some states like Arizona and maybe even Georgia in play and will make some of the swing states impossible to win.

This election has "bloodbath" written all over it.

Sure, and if you rewind to when Trump announced his candidacy back at the start you would have the same comments said then about him - he's an amateur, he'll choke on his own foot, he's boorish and the other candidates will wipe the floor with him because they are shrewd politicians. Of course, living in the present, we can see that Trump, somehow, overcame all of that and is the presumptive nominee for a party that the ruling elites of that party did everything to try to stop him. So yeah, sure, we can all see how this will play out, just like everyone of knew that Trump didn't have a prayer to last longer than a month or so in the Republican nomination race.

[HI54UNI]

DSU...the first beer on June 3rd is on me.

THANK you for being an intelligent, independent thinker. You are Black, and you see through the divisive Hillary b.s.

Too bad Trip and Vidav are falling for the buffoonery and rhetoric of Hillary and her campaign staff. They used a couple sound bites and got the low information voters to froth at the mouth and think they are leading some noble cause, while Hillary laughs all the way to the bank (with her White, wealthy banker friends and her oh-so-tolerant Saudi financial backers).

It is almost too comical, and tragic, to believe people are actually rallying around a person who is using every single divisive card in the playbook.

Some people are just dumb as a brick.

Man, you get way too worked up regarding who people vote for. I don't agree with Clinton in everything and understand she has baggage, but her viewpoints certainly align more with mine than Trump's.

If you can convince me why I should vote for Trump ("At least he's not pantsuits" isn't an answer), I'd obviously consider him. But I'm also not forgetting all stuff he's said so far up to this point.

ps. I don't hate Wall Street; I think they're completely vital to the US (and global) economy.

I understand not liking Trump and viewing Hillary as having similar views on things you care about so that might gain your support. But can you explain to me how you can get past the Hillary baggage related to the Clinton foundation and the related cronyism/corruption? It seems like honesty and integrity mean nothing to Hillary supporters.

[93henfan]

Man, you get way too worked up regarding who people vote for. I don't agree with Clinton in everything and understand she has baggage, but her viewpoints certainly align more with mine than Trump's.

If you can convince me why I should vote for Trump ("At least he's not pantsuits" isn't an answer), I'd obviously consider him. But I'm also not forgetting all stuff he's said so far up to this point.

ps. I don't hate Wall Street; I think they're completely vital to the US (and global) economy.

I understand not liking Trump and viewing Hillary as having similar views on things you care about so that might gain your support. But can you explain to me how you can get past the Hillary baggage related to the Clinton foundation and the related cronyism/corruption? It seems like honesty and integrity mean nothing to Hillary supporters.

It seems that way because it's true.

[YoUDeeMan]

Man, you get way too worked up regarding who people vote for. I don't agree with Clinton in everything and understand she has baggage, but her viewpoints certainly align more with mine than Trump's.

If you can convince me why I should vote for Trump ("At least he's not pantsuits" isn't an answer), I'd obviously consider him. But I'm also not forgetting all stuff he's said so far up to this point.

ps. I don't hate Wall Street; I think they're completely vital to the US (and global) economy.

Yeah...I guess you and I are both voting for no reason...other than fun, right?

We are talking about electing the leader of this country.

Perhaps there is hope for you yet, though.

I am not convincing you to vote for Trump. I am trying to get you to see that Bernie is a better choice than Hillary. That is so obvious, that in 10 years you will look back and wonder how idiotic anyone could be to support Hillary.

Hillary IS the status quo. She is happy, and so are her friends, to talk a big game, and give a few scraps, to the people wanting a different, more diverse, more caring America. But actions speak louder than words, and a leopard doesn't change its spots. What has she done? She's been at her job for years...and has done what in that time?

Yet you stand with her.

As far as Wall Street goes...that's another nice sound bite from the Clinton folks (their strategist said, a long time ago, that they needed to get that message out to the public...we NEED Wall Street...who could argue with that?).

Yes, we need a vehicle in which people can invest into our economy. That is where Hillary's sound bite ends. The reality is that the system is rigged...to an unbelievable extent, towards the uber wealthy, and that Hillary is their lap dog. If you can't see that, then I can't help you on this forum. The fundamental tools of the market are broken. Read a book. Get your series 6/7 licenses. Do some studying for goodness sake. Wall Street is a racket of criminal proportions that dwarf almost anything we've ever had. Obama, Hillary...where are the arrests? Where are the ACTIONS that were promised? If you look into what really drives the market, and who profits from the massive drops...and follow the carefully orchestrated massive money shifts, you will find collusion among the wealthiest people on this planet. That isn't an expandos moment. The false narrative that the existing market "forces" and rules are necessary to our economic success is the biggest con job in our nation's history. Sorry, Trip...you're really not searching for answers...you've given up and you are settling for the status quo.

As far as Trump goes...what, exactly, did he say that has gotten you so upset?

[YoUDeeMan]

I understand not liking Trump and viewing Hillary as having similar views on things you care about so that might gain your support. But can you explain to me how you can get past the Hillary baggage related to the Clinton foundation and the related cronyism/corruption? It seems like honesty and integrity mean nothing to Hillary supporters.

It seems that way because it's true.

But they believe they are supporting their best hope, despite the facts. They listen to promises and sound bites. They are behaving similarly to a battered spouse.

[93henfan]

Yeah, to piggy back on Cluck U's last, when you go back and listen to Obama's messianic speeches and promises (Guantanamo, Wall Street, peace, racial harmony, etc) from 2008 and then you see how he got in the White House and just bent over to his corporate masters...

...if you think Hillary will be the one to actually bring that hope and change...

[YoUDeeMan]

Yeah, to piggy back on Cluck U's last, when you go back and listen to Obama's messianic speeches and promises (Guantanamo, Wall Street, peace, racial harmony, etc) from 2008 and then you see how he got in the White House and just bent over to his corporate masters...

...if you think Hillary will be the one to actually bring that hope and change...

It really is amazing.

[Pwns]

Sure, and if you rewind to when Trump announced his candidacy back at the start you would have the same comments said then about him - he's an amateur, he'll choke on his own foot, he's boorish and the other candidates will wipe the floor with him because they are shrewd politicians. Of course, living in the present, we can see that Trump, somehow, overcame all of that and is the presumptive nominee for a party that the ruling elites of that party did everything to try to stop him. So yeah, sure, we can all see how this will play out, just like everyone of knew that Trump didn't have a prayer to last longer than a month or so in the Republican nomination race.

You cannot tell me that winning a general election isn't much different than winning the nomination in the Republican party. Winning the two are different animals especially considering how divisive the immigration issue has become.

Honestly, when Trump first entered the race I didn't take him all that seriously. He seemed like a Tom Tancredo with more personality. But since the early days he has pushed the envelope more than any candidate has before. You cannot tell me that Trump hasn't raised the bar and said things that will eat him alive in this time of identity politics. The Hispanic vote absolutely hurt the Republicans in 2008 and 2012, and it's going to be worse with Trump.

[kalm]

Yeah, to piggy back on Cluck U's last, when you go back and listen to Obama's messianic speeches and promises (Guantanamo, Wall Street, peace, racial harmony, etc) from 2008 and then you see how he got in the White House and just bent over to his corporate masters...

...if you think Hillary will be the one to actually bring that hope and change...

It really is amazing.

+3.

Cluck, the democratic socialist populist!

[ASUG8]

Between Trump and Clinton it's simply a coin toss on who would do worse for the country. Hillary lived in the White House and Trump has visited it. The White House would be the smallest house Trump has lived in. Trump is a buffoon and Hillary should have been indicted by now. My gut tells me to sit this one out, but part of me hopes that Bernie goes Independent and fractures the Dem base but then we're still left with Trump.

Both sides have a lot of selling to do to the electorate over the next few months. Trump has to stop talking in obscure platitudes and talk about meaningful, actionable issues and stop with the insults. Clinton has to attempt to make herself look like less of an establishment candidate and less cozy with the banks and high rollers. Trump in a true political arena is an unknown commodity, which could go either way.

In other words, I have no idea. One will either pull me in to their side or push me away. Once again, we're voting for the tallest midget in the room. The rest of the world will have ringside seats to what I think will be the ugliest demonstration of American politics in recent memory.

[dbackjon]

What greatness does Trump want to return to?

Why does Hillary and the Democrats not want a secure border?

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We do. Just smart enough know that a wall is a huge waste of money, and will be ineffective anyways.

And, we know that immigration is a net benefit to the country.



Why do Republicans not want a secure environment? Why do they ignore climate change?

[YoUDeeMan]

Why does Hillary and the Democrats not want a secure border?

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We do. Just smart enough know that a wall is a huge waste of money, and will be ineffective anyways.

And, we know that immigration is a net benefit to the country.

What a crock of crap.

When has a Democrat EVER wanted a secure border?

WHEN?

And more ignorant sound bite crap about the wall. If you build a wall properly...it WILL restrict illegal immigration. There is no way to say that it won't restrict illegal immigration without outright lying. But hey, dabck has never been one to ignore facts.

As far as immigration being a net positive...how in the world would anyone calculate that accurately? Yup...just another sound bite.

Cripes...dback just went 3 for 3 in fantasy land.

As far as global warming...that isn't a priority for most folks. Yup...another sound bite. 4 for 4. Might as well be Moses Malone talking.

I don't hear poor people in this country talking about how they wish they had more cold winters, and I sure as heck don't hear Hillary supporters saying they don't want their cheap imported crap they purchase at Wall Mart to be made from environmentally sensitive materials.

Yeah...I don't want my phone/TV because it has a large carbon footprint and came from China (oh, what nice environmentally friendly factories you have over there).

dback...failing again.

[Ibanez]

Yeah, to piggy back on Cluck U's last, when you go back and listen to Obama's messianic speeches and promises (Guantanamo, Wall Street, peace, racial harmony, etc) from 2008 and then you see how he got in the White House and just bent over to his corporate masters...

...if you think Hillary will be the one to actually bring that hope and change...

This. As soon as he got in, he scrapped those plans and did what his puppetmasters told him.


That's what I like about Trump....he's not taking money from Wells Fargo or Exxon. His biggest donor, at $150k, is a 32 yr old film producer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Powers_Middleton

What's interesting, according to Open Secrets, is that the DoD, VA and USN have all donated to his campaign committee.

The #1 industry that has contributed the most money to Trump is "Retired" followed by Finance.

75% of his campaign finances have come from his own pocket.

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Looking at Clinton we see that 92% of her campaign finances have come from individuals.

her top contributors

Soros Fund Management $7,039,900
Euclidean Capital $7,002,700
Paloma Partners $4,007,900
Laborers Union $4,000,886

Her top Industry: Securities & Investment - $23,551,341

[93henfan]

Soros is also funding the anti-Trump demonstrations.

[93henfan]

And speaking of unions, Trump may be the first Republican in a long time that has their ear.

[Vidav]

To be clear I really don't like Hillary. I would much prefer Bernie to get the nomination.

And I agree, the 90s were pretty sweet. If Trump only wants to roll America back that far I wont complain.